Should Homesteads get their own forum section?

[Omega.6801]

With eight sticky'd threads and three archived sections which will probably be expanded with further releases the space on the front page of "Guild Wars 2 Discussion", the general discussion section of the forums, is already limited. Now since the Janthir Wilds section has been closed and archived almost half of the threads are related to Homesteads.

This begs the question, should there be a dedicated section for threads that discuss Homesteads, Decorations etc.? And if so, where would be a good place to put that secion?

[Randulf.7614]

Prob not. They're one feature - a feature I am glad the implemented - and there's not much variation on discussion. It boils down to new homes, new decorations and overwhelmingly placement limits. I don't think a subforum is needed when the entirity of Janthir wasn't merited to have one beyond 2 months. There's a couple of people still going "should have spent resources elsewhere" as they do on every thread despite suggesting little themselves, but beyond all that, it's not enough for a subforum

I do think they could make a screenshot one in the Community Creations forum though specific to Homesteads

Edited Thursday at 05:42 PM by Randulf.7614

[Farohna.6247]

I would like to see a crafting sub forum, which would include guild hall and homestead decorating.  It's fine as is, and I would be concerned it wouldn't be used,but I still like the idea.  

[Ryuk.6840]

They can remove the  "Subforum" section and replace it with the first 4 stickies to open some space .

Other than that , it behaves like a normal forums , like reddit , where people ask/need some things . It doesn't hurt/mask other people's threads

Edited Thursday at 09:39 PM by Ryuk.6840
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[Omega.6801]

2 hours ago, Ryuk.6840 said:

They can remove the  "Subforum" section and replace it with the first 4 stickies to open some space .

Other than that , it behaves like a normal forums , like reddit , where people ask/need some things . It doesn't hurt/mask other people's threads

Removing or culling the "Subforums" and "Stickies" would also be apreciated regardless of the HS threads.

While it is true, that the HS threads don't outright remove other threads. The forums, unlike reddit, is arranged in pages and unless you are actively looking for a thread, you're not going past the front page.

I see that it may ebb down again, when the feature is no longer the new hot thing. I just think that, when half the threads in a general forum are about a single topic, that forum is no longer general and that topic may be better suited having a section of its own.

[Ashen.2907]

Yes please.

 

[Ryuk.6840]

6 hours ago, Omega.6801 said:

 when half the threads in a general forum are about a single topic, that forum is no longer general and that topic may be better suited having a section of its own.

Or it is a sign that Arenanet have pleased half its  communities , like for example WvW armor have an OW version  and Raids and Convergances gets only praise  , and the ones that are  left  they are "hungry for more" (homestead) .

If we get into draconian measurements , then they should start moving threads like this to Janthir subforum:

 

Or generally the lack of things to do in the second map/this update

Edited Friday at 07:01 AM by Ryuk.6840

[willow.8209]

there are a lot of good ideas on this thread 🙂 

[Nekos.3649]

19 hours ago, Omega.6801 said:

With eight sticky'd threads and three archived sections which will probably be expanded with further releases the space on the front page of "Guild Wars 2 Discussion", the general discussion section of the forums, is already limited. Now since the Janthir Wilds section has been closed and archived almost half of the threads are related to Homesteads.

This begs the question, should there be a dedicated section for threads that discuss Homesteads, Decorations etc.? And if so, where would be a good place to put that secion?

Ive always been into housing, then they implement it on the game
im not anymore 😕
maybe put more functionality behind it, true gardens and farms, livestock, some verticsal progression to homesteads would be dope

[Omega.6801]

9 hours ago, Ryuk.6840 said:

Or it is a sign that Arenanet have pleased half its  communities , like for example WvW armor have an OW version  and Raids and Convergances gets only praise  , and the ones that are  left  they are "hungry for more" (homestead) .

If we get into draconian measurements , then they should start moving threads like this to Janthir subforum:

 

Or generally the lack of things to do in the second map/this update

That's not the question of this thread. That there are so many threads made is a sure sign that many players are happy with the feature or at least interacting with it. I'm not saying they aren't, never did.
If at all, I'm arguing for the opposite. So many people are posting about this feature and want to discuss it and subjects adjacent to it, that it may warrant a dedicated section of its own.

Let's not derail this. 😉

Edited Friday at 04:17 PM by Omega.6801

[Omega.6801]

35 minutes ago, Nekos.3649 said:

Ive always been into housing, then they implement it on the game
im not anymore 😕
maybe put more functionality behind it, true gardens and farms, livestock, some verticsal progression to homesteads would be dope

Ok...

Again, nice feedback on the feature itself but has nothing to do with the question raised in the thread. If you want to rais your opinion on Homesteads and what features you want to see in the future why not make a thread about it, you've got good company.

[kharmin.7683]

+1 for putting Homesteads in their own sub-forum

[Randulf.7614]

The thing you have to remember is that a subforum just creates more threads rather than refines it as people overuse it. The devs don't really come here themselves anymore as far as I can see and it falls to Rubi and her team to gather the feedback, summarise and send it to the devs. Having an excess of threads of feedback in more places obfuscates that chain and will serve against/slow their ability to gather and act on feedback. That's why they culled all the old subforums years ago and why Janthir - which is a far, far bigger source of discussion than homesteads - no longer have open dedicated forums. It's easier for them.

It's also why they merge threads. Then they can be bookmarked and tracked. Sure they mess them up sometimes and everything gets out of order for discussion purposes, but usually they work better for gathering feedback that way.

Edited Friday at 04:05 PM by Randulf.7614

[Ryuk.6840]

55 minutes ago, Randulf.7614 said:

It's also why they merge threads. Then they can be bookmarked and tracked. Sure they mess them up sometimes and everything gets out of order for discussion purposes, but usually they work better for gathering feedback that way.

Mega thread although breed  toxicity like we saw in the GoB megathread , while the smaller - digestible threads  allow the mods to follow more easier the flow of the conversation  and punish faster those going off topic , rather than close the threads .

 

 

I vote to continue with this format for the rest of the expansion .

It will give us some traction , and things that  the majority will happily  come into the forums to read like Reddit .

While other  threads ,  like the one from Knighthood : "How about for future expansion we get a Cataclysm like expansion" , will showcase us  that some people are against any change and that doesn't mean the General forums must be a "graveyard of ideas" .

It becomes a little gloomy afterward ....

Edited Friday at 05:00 PM by Ryuk.6840

[Ashen.2907]

12 hours ago, Ryuk.6840 said:

Or it is a sign that Arenanet have pleased half its  communities

If so then the game has already died. If half a single page of forum threads, including ongoing complaints, represents having pleased half of the playerbase then ANet might as well turn off the lights and go home.

[Gop.8713]

Homestead ppls could just take over community creations . . .

[Sobx.1758]

Yeah, either give homestead its section (somewhere near the roleplaying/community creation?) or make a combined thread for it.

I agree it's a bit weird that the eod/soto/jw archived subforums are still at the top of this section. At this point, maybe they should add another "archived" section for those since they have little to no relevance for anyone and can't be contributed to anymore.

Edited Friday at 09:39 PM by Sobx.1758

[Ashantara.8731]

The forums have taught us that, regardless of how well-structured they are, people will still start the millionth thread on the same topic. So, making a Homestead sub won't increase Homestead issue visibility -- it will still end up being a mess. 😉

[Omega.6801]

1 hour ago, Sobx.1758 said:

Yeah, either give homestead its section (somewhere near the roleplaying/community creation?) or make a combined thread for it.

I agree it's a bit weird that the eod/soto/jw archived subforums are still at the top of this section. At this point, maybe they should add another "archived" section for those since they have little to no relevance for anyone and can't be contributed to anymore.

A merge thread only makes sense if it's a singular question or suggestion or else it gets kinda impossible to have an actual discussion. It may be better for Ruby or the devs, at least that's how I understand the practicality of the QoL merge-thread, but for the many different discussions that are happening a HS merge-thread wouldn't do I guess.

Also, yes, the archived subforums should go, they're just clutter at this point.

32 minutes ago, Ashantara.8731 said:

The forums have taught us that, regardless of how well-structured they are, people will still start the millionth thread on the same topic. So, making a Homestead sub won't increase Homestead issue visibility -- it will still end up being a mess. 😉

Sure, but if that's the mindset why have a forum with different sections at all?

Having a dedicated section for HS threads would give mods the possibility to move threads there, like WvW threads are moved to the WvW section, Guardian threads are moved to the Professions section and so on. Having a well structured forum also helps to make sure that threads are seen by the people that are most likely to be interested in the matter or most knowledgeable about it.
Having a HS section would gather all HS threads and all HS threads, wherever they would be posted, would be moved there, so HS issue visibility would be concentrated in this section. So if you want to read up on them or want to discuss them, you know where to find them. If you want to ask a question concerning HS, you know where to post it. If you want to show off you creation, you know where you find your audience.

[Ashantara.8731]

11 minutes ago, Omega.6801 said:

Sure, but if that's the mindset why have a forum with different sections at all?

If it was up to me, all the locked expansion subforums that are marked as "Archived" would be deleted. They are just bloating the GW2 Discussions section and are no longer of use, really.

If Homesteads got their own section under "Game Discussions", not just be given a sub in the "Guild Wars 2 Discussions" section, I would be all for it. 🙂 But that would only make sense if the Homestead feature will not be abandoned after JW (which I am afraid it just might).

Edited Friday at 11:10 PM by Ashantara.8731

[Ryuk.6840]

5 hours ago, Omega.6801 said:

A merge thread only makes sense if it's a singular question or suggestion or else it gets kinda impossible to have an actual discussion. It may be better for Ruby or the devs, at least that's how I understand the practicality of the QoL merge-thread, but for the many different discussions that are happening a HS merge-thread wouldn't do I guess.

Also, yes, the archived subforums should go, they're just clutter at this point.

Sure, but if that's the mindset why have a forum with different sections at all?

Having a dedicated section for HS threads would give mods the possibility to move threads there, like WvW threads are moved to the WvW section, Guardian threads are moved to the Professions section and so on. Having a well structured forum also helps to make sure that threads are seen by the people that are most likely to be interested in the matter or most knowledgeable about it.
Having a HS section would gather all HS threads and all HS threads, wherever they would be posted, would be moved there, so HS issue visibility would be concentrated in this section. So if you want to read up on them or want to discuss them, you know where to find them. If you want to ask a question concerning HS, you know where to post it. If you want to show off you creation, you know where you find your audience.

We could  try for a change to move other threads to deticated sections (unlock Janthir) as a test subject , in order to create a more pleasant environment where more people will enjoy to visit everyday , like these threads  : 

"Would you buy the next expansion if it's like Soto-Janthir" ?

"Those that remains"

 

Edited Saturday at 04:49 AM by Ryuk.6840

[Nico.9361]

I don't feel like it's necessary, fragmenting the forum more and more only makes things harder to notice. Let's not turn the forum into ingame LFG.

[Ashen.2907]

2 hours ago, Nico.9361 said:

I don't feel like it's necessary, fragmenting the forum more and more only makes things harder to notice. Let's not turn the forum into ingame LFG.

I agree, not necessary at all, just preferable (to some at least).

[Lucy.3728]

Yes please, clean the forum of homestead threats.

Edited Saturday at 11:34 AM by Lucy.3728

[willow.8209]

I just use the "activity" button unless I want to look at something specific like WvW. The activity button is great for just wanting to see whatever is new regardless of topic. 

If you do have a specific topic in mind, I agree it's easier to find or decide where to post, when there's a little bit of organization.