Is there any reason half of Rev skills and traits are still gutted in pvp?

[Flauvious.6195]

No wonder rev is so bad, half the traits and skills are all nerfed to uselessness in pvp. With it's current sad state and no apparent plans to rework anything, can we at least un nerf our skills? Some of them still wouldn't even be used if they were their regular pvp version, like malicious reprisal, why is that even changed in pvp?

I was looking through the retribution trait line, thinking of making some sort of tank build for fun. I go to pvp lobby and look at it again, and gave up that thought immediatley. Everything in retribution is confusingly nerfed. Why. Devestation is also a neutered shadow of its pve self. These changes were made before I started this game, so maybe they were justified at some point, but definatley not necessary anymore.

[JayAction.9056]

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[Toron.4856]

rev could be good in pvp. thats why all the skills are gutted in pvp. rev is not needed anymore since everyone alrdy bought HoT. they need to sell PoF copies now hence they make fb scourge mirage op.

[powerbits.6235]

I think it was because some of them were unkillable after the POF launch. May be a "back to the drawing board" moment.

[BlaqueFyre.5678]

@"ToPNoP.2493" said:I think it was because some of them were unkillable after the POF launch. May be a "back to the drawing board" moment.

No they were Gutted on PoF Launch for the Ventari Bunker Build.

[Crinn.7864]

The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

[BeepBoopBop.5403]

@"Crinn.7864" said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

[Paarthurnax.8931]

Thief is nerfed pvp only too.

[Nuka Cola.8520]

I heard they're working on a huge Rev patch. Its coming in 2020, please be patient.

[Crinn.7864]

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@"Crinn.7864" said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

[ArthurDent.9538]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

I think you are miss-understanding the point of this thread. Power rev got a lot of buffs shortly before path of fire which pretty much all turned out to be pve only such as Assassins presence being boosted to 225 ferocity instead of 150. Normalizing the pvp with the pve versions of the various traits and skills would in theory be a simple way to not only boost up a severely under-performing class but also add consistency between game modes which is very nice to have. Also there is a lot more wrong with rev right now than just scourge and mirage, such as Holosmith doing almost everything power rev does but better, and having losing or neutral match-ups against almost all classes.

[otto.5684]

@Toron.4856 said:rev could be good in pvp. thats why all the skills are gutted in pvp. rev is not needed anymore since everyone alrdy bought HoT. they need to sell PoF copies now hence they make fb scourge mirage op.

Can they make renegade over powered please ?

Heck, I am okay with barely functional.

[Dragonfeu.4356]

I reckon if they made rev a dedicated bunker buster, it could secure its place in the meta/increase popularity and potentially catalyse a new meta shift, away from the bunker fb domination

[JayAction.9056]

@otto.5684 said:

@Toron.4856 said:rev could be good in pvp. thats why all the skills are gutted in pvp. rev is not needed anymore since everyone alrdy bought HoT. they need to sell PoF copies now hence they make fb scourge mirage op.

Can they make renegade over powered please ?

Heck, I am okay with barely functional.

Yes if both renegade and the short bow would be made good enough that it could be used against something other than the computer that would be great.

[Flauvious.6195]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

Why are you comparing things to "season 2 rev"? This isn't season 2 anymore, now we have scourges and mirages and spellbreakers and holosmiths running proud and free, and rev is barely worthy of the garbage can. Anet talks about how reworking things and changing skills takes a lot of time and effort, so fine, until you do that can you at least just revert some of the pvp only changes. How much work could that take.

[Flauvious.6195]

@otto.5684 said:

@Toron.4856 said:rev could be good in pvp. thats why all the skills are gutted in pvp. rev is not needed anymore since everyone alrdy bought HoT. they need to sell PoF copies now hence they make fb scourge mirage op.

Can they make renegade over powered please ?

Heck, I am okay with barely functional.

For real, renegade is path of fire too, if you're going to make new elites op to sell expansions at least make all of them op right

[BeepBoopBop.5403]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

But it's not season 2? Stop living in the past? I guess reaper can eat shit and die too since it was just as disgusting those days with old deathly chill

Just another salt mine still bitter about old revenant.

[Jinks.2057]

The problem with rev is Anet created them OP as fuck and then left them OP as fuck for entirely too long. The players who decided to play rev started to believe that this was how it is supposed to be Rev > All. Another misconception was them thinking they were the reason they were beating over 3 year vets on their main class while only having a few months on Rev.

Now that rev has been brought down to Earth these same players are crying foul b/c they aren't being carried by their class. Rev is truly in a good spot if there are nerfs to other classes. It really needs no buffs just adjustments to the other classes.

[Dragon.8762]

Rev damage is fine, but it could still use some minor sustain buffs. However, the class isn't to blame much. It's classes like mirage and scourge and sometimes thieves that make it very difficult for revs to flourish.

It's also not an easy class to play currently. You'll have to play two times as hard playing rev compared if you were just playing holo or spellbreaker.

[Crinn.7864]

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

But it's not season 2? Stop living in the past? I guess reaper can eat kitten and die too since it was just as disgusting those days with old deathly chill

Just another salt mine still bitter about old revenant.

Scourge and Mirage are the only thing holding rev out of the meta. Or have you forgotten that Rev was a winning tournament pick all the way up to PoF release?

I brought up season2 rev because I'm sick and tired of all these "plz revert rev nerfs" threads. There where exceptionally good reasons for why rev got the nerfs it did, and there is no grounds for reverting those nerfs.

[BeepBoopBop.5403]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

But it's not season 2? Stop living in the past? I guess reaper can eat kitten and die too since it was just as disgusting those days with old deathly chill

Just another salt mine still bitter about old revenant.

Scourge and Mirage are the only thing holding rev out of the meta. Or have you forgotten that Rev was a winning tournament pick all the way up to PoF release?

I brought up season2 rev because I'm sick and tired of all these "plz revert rev nerfs" threads. There where exceptionally good reasons for why rev got the nerfs it did, and there is no grounds for reverting those nerfs.

What were the good reasons for removing Equilibrium and nerfing Mutilate Defenses? Not even sure we were given a reason for Facet of Light costing 2 in PvP

[Flauvious.6195]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

The only thing spellbreaker offers over season2 power rev is the paltry amount of boon removal. Holosmith offers absolutely nothing that season2 power rev can't do better.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

But it's not season 2? Stop living in the past? I guess reaper can eat kitten and die too since it was just as disgusting those days with old deathly chill

Just another salt mine still bitter about old revenant.

Scourge and Mirage are the only thing holding rev out of the meta. Or have you forgotten that Rev was a winning tournament pick all the way up to PoF release?

I brought up season2 rev because I'm sick and tired of all these "plz revert rev nerfs" threads. There where exceptionally good reasons for why rev got the nerfs it did, and there is no grounds for reverting those nerfs.

the grounds are that rev is getting dumpstered by brain dead broken condi spam, and since last patches have taken no steps towards bringing pof specs in line, might as well just revert rev nerfs.

[Miles Smiles.8951]

@Jinks.2057 said:The problem with rev is Anet created them OP as kitten and then left them OP as kitten for entirely too long. The players who decided to play rev started to believe that this was how it is supposed to be Rev > All.

Well I play rev since season 4 and all I saw was nerfs and mistreatment.Rev is truly in a good spot if there are nerfs to other classes. It really needs no buffs just adjustments to the other classes.

Yeah, I could agree, but why they still keep butchering rev by silly changes like Mutilate Defenses into Expose Defenses, when all they need to do is bring other spec in line.

[Darknicrofia.2604]

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

Remember 0 cooldown Phase Traversal that costed only 20 energy? good times lulz

[Jinks.2057]

@Darknicrofia.2604 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:

@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:The only problem with power Herald is mirage and Scourge. Rebuffing power Herald would just result in another "why would you play anything other than rev" meta if mirage and Scourge get nerfed.

There where very good reasons for why power herald was nerfed, we don't need to go back to that meta.

Spellbreakers and Holos offer other things that revenant cannot, would not result in a rev only meta.

power rev before the nerfs was basically thief, warrior, and guardian all rolled into one package.

Remember 0 cooldown Phase Traversal that costed only 20 energy? good times lulz

Yeah and after it was nerfed people had the gull to be upset by it LOL