[Video] Support Firebrand WvW Roaming [Srge]

[Traity.8310]

Never really got around to posting this here, not world's best firebrand play but I hope some will enjoy watching it anyway! Small scale 3-5 people Roaming.

[ArmageddonAsh.6430]

Bad video would be an understatement to how boring this is. Mindlessly spamming healing and doing very little else isnt exactly a fun thing to see, i dread to think how boring it is to play.

[Azantius.2976]

Really nicesupport gameplay !!! You essentially kept your team alive against 2-3 times as many enemies enabling some pretty impressive wipes.

As a note don't take it personally if this video isn't that popular. Unless you are a support main it's hard to understand the intricacies of what you are doing and generally people want to see videos of mad deeps, not mad heals, boons, cleanses, etc...

[Traity.8310]

Thanks! Yeah i know people never seem to like support gameplay which is sad. And think all it is is mindlessly spamming shit. Sure you can argue it's been the case some with firebrand since about half the time I was still learning the skills, where they are and what they do and figuring the class out (it's been odd to play with the tomes where you don't really use your AAs as fillers) and maybe Firebrand in particular is a bit overtuned because you could be merely present and still give your team a ton of regen and passive healing but that's still not gonna help if you're dead yourself. And it's about more than just that, positioning, managing your CDs and cycling through them so you're not completely left without anything at any point + knowing where your teammates are and fighting the UI haha (I'll cry of happiness if we ever get a better boon/condi UI I'd almost like it more than healthbars). Can't decide though if I find tempest more fun it's a bit more mobile and engaging.

[Kicast.1459]

Support is where guardian is supposed to be.People looking for fancy 4 digit figures and os spam everywhere have obviously been mislead to this forum and should go quickly back to a more appropriate (read selfish prof like thief) one.

Always good to see people liking helping others rather than being the one man hero against the world (any successful hero ends in being a tyran)

[Turk.5460]

@ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:Bad video would be an understatement to how boring this is. Mindlessly spamming healing and doing very little else isnt exactly a fun thing to see, i dread to think how boring it is to play.

I agree that the video is boring and not exciting to watch, but I don't think you should downplay the amount of fun it is to actually play the support. I love playing pure support every now and then, and it's fun in the moment, but I certainly wouldn't want to watch myself play support. :p

[ArmageddonAsh.6430]

@Turk.5460 said:I agree that the video is boring and not exciting to watch, but I don't think you should downplay the amount of fun it is to actually play the support. I love playing pure support every now and then, and it's fun in the moment, but I certainly wouldn't want to watch myself play support. :p

Might be fun to play (for some) but unfortunately, it just doesnt translate to fun to watch. I would say if he wasnt pure bunker healer and actually did more than just spam healing the whole time and actually got in on the fights it might have been better. But as it is, just not fun to watch. I enjoy hybrid builds myself but its not just spam AoE healing constantly, i deal damage, i heal, i CC i actually get involved in the fight rather than just spam all the heals.

[Traity.8310]

@ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:Might be fun to play (for some) but unfortunately, it just doesnt translate to fun to watch. I would say if he wasnt pure bunker healer and actually did more than just spam healing the whole time and actually got in on the fights it might have been better. But as it is, just not fun to watch. I enjoy hybrid builds myself but its not just spam AoE healing constantly, i deal damage, i heal, i CC i actually get involved in the fight rather than just spam all the heals.

I mean, I get that watching a pure support might not be everyone's cup and I can see why and that's fair, I respect that, but to say all I do is spam healing and don't get in on the fight isn't quite right either. Yeah, I don't do a lot of damage (Fire tome has some alright burning which I do use) but I also bring CC to the table as well as projectile blocks, boons like stab, aegis and resistance and condi clear my team. I'm not that great yet at properly managing my CDs etc but a lot of those things aren't just mindlessly spammed but used reactively depending on what we fight and what's happening.

I used to run a hybrid condi/healer Tempest and me 'getting in on the fight' and doing damage was a lot more mindless aoe spam than the healing & utilities I brought. I swapped to try out Firebrand bc Tempest, (especially my hybrid build) just wasn't cutting it anymore with all the condis flying around and the overall increased damage + people running more clears the damage I brought was negligible. It's fine in smaller fights with near equal numbers but anything beyond Firebrand is just better (and going back to Tempest the lack of stab is very noticecable).

[ArmageddonAsh.6430]

@Traity.8310 said:I mean, I get that watching a pure support might not be everyone's cup and I can see why and that's fair, I respect that, but to say all I do is spam healing and don't get in on the fight isn't quite right either. Yeah, I don't do a lot of damage (Fire tome has some alright burning which I do use) but I also bring CC to the table as well as projectile blocks, boons like stab, aegis and resistance and condi clear my team. I'm not that great yet at properly managing my CDs etc but a lot of those things aren't just mindlessly spammed but used reactively depending on what we fight and what's happening.

Yeah you bring that. So do they. Your CC and such wouldnt really be missed that much. Your healing however. That would be missed. The only thing that would be missed. Sure the Condi clear is rather strong but again, situational. Only useful when fighting condi groups. Kinda pointless against power groups.

@Traity.8310 said:I used to run a hybrid condi/healer Tempest and me 'getting in on the fight' and doing damage was a lot more mindless aoe spam than the healing & utilities I brought. I swapped to try out Firebrand bc Tempest, (especially my hybrid build) just wasn't cutting it anymore with all the condis flying around and the overall increased damage + people running more clears the damage I brought was negligible. It's fine in smaller fights with near equal numbers but anything beyond Firebrand is just better (and going back to Tempest the lack of stab is very noticecable).

I am guessing you were staff Tempest? Because pretty much nothing else on Ele/Tempest offers healing and minimal support really. I prefer Sword/Dagger Weaver for support myself. Staff is SO mindlessly boring. Though the same could be said for most Staff weapons in the game. I expect Firebrand to get hit with quite the few nerfs to its support, healing and such. Will you still stick with it then? Pretty much the only real thing you bring - Healing and maybe the condi removal. When that gets nerfed are you still going to play it?

[lodjur.1284]

Not really much for commenting on stuff or the forums in general, but I have rarely seen such utter stupidity and I just felt forced to say something to not allow it to fester.

@ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

@Traity.8310 said:I mean, I get that watching a pure support might not be everyone's cup and I can see why and that's fair, I respect that, but to say all I do is spam healing and don't get in on the fight isn't quite right either. Yeah, I don't do a lot of damage (Fire tome has some alright burning which I do use) but I also bring CC to the table as well as projectile blocks, boons like stab, aegis and resistance and condi clear my team. I'm not that great yet at properly managing my CDs etc but a lot of those things aren't just mindlessly spammed but used reactively depending on what we fight and what's happening.

Yeah you bring that. So do they. Your CC and such wouldnt really be missed that much. Your healing however. That would be missed. The only thing that would be missed. Sure the Condi clear is rather strong but again, situational. Only useful when fighting condi groups. Kinda pointless against power groups.

So first you say claim that hybrid is so good cause it brings all these things besides healing, when it turns out that minstrel brings all of it except damage then you say that healing really is the only important thing brought by firebrand?

Not sure how much World vs World you play, but how often does one actually fight groups that are 100% exclusively power, especially if one is mainly fighting outnumbered against larger groups of pugs as is shown in the video, where you generally fight a mix of power and condi, and even many power builds to some degree use conditions such as immob, vuln, cripple, chill etc, calling condi clear situational is interesting.

@Traity.8310 said:I used to run a hybrid condi/healer Tempest and me 'getting in on the fight' and doing damage was a lot more mindless aoe spam than the healing & utilities I brought. I swapped to try out Firebrand bc Tempest, (especially my hybrid build) just wasn't cutting it anymore with all the condis flying around and the overall increased damage + people running more clears the damage I brought was negligible. It's fine in smaller fights with near equal numbers but anything beyond Firebrand is just better (and going back to Tempest the lack of stab is very noticecable).

I am guessing you were staff Tempest? Because pretty much nothing else on Ele/Tempest offers healing and minimal support really. I prefer Sword/Dagger Weaver for support myself. Staff is SO mindlessly boring. Though the same could be said for most Staff weapons in the game. I expect Firebrand to get hit with quite the few nerfs to its support, healing and such. Will you still stick with it then? Pretty much the only real thing you bring - Healing and maybe the condi removal. When that gets nerfed are you still going to play it?

How does tempest not bring support? The entire traitline is a support traitline, which offers permanent regen, protection and vigor and auras for an entire group, together with good healing from warhorn 4/5 and the auras , hardly see how that is anything but support. Also the person in question has about 10 tempest videos on his channel, all of em with scepter or dagger+warhorn, not a single one staff, cause staff on tempest in WvW is terrible, and thinking anyone would play staff after they said they used to play condi hybrid speaks to a lack of knowledge about the class. Support weaver is not much more than a joke, sorry to break it to you, it's even worse than most other terrible "support" builds.

[ArmageddonAsh.6430]

@lodjur.1284 said:So first you say claim that hybrid is so good cause it brings all these things besides healing, when it turns out that minstrel brings all of it except damage then you say that healing really is the only important thing brought by firebrand?

Hybrid IS good. This person isnt hybrid. They are a healer. Thats all they have really done. Sure they do a little CC here and there, that doesnt change that they are a healer. A hyrbid would actually be bringing at least 2 of the following (imo) Damage, Condi damage, Healing. When you just have healing. You are a healer.

@lodjur.1284 said:Not sure how much World vs World you play, but how often does one actually fight groups that are 100% exclusively power, especially if one is mainly fighting outnumbered against larger groups of pugs as is shown in the video, where you generally fight a mix of power and condi, and even many power builds to some degree use conditions such as immob, vuln, cripple, chill etc, calling condi clear situational is interesting.

Play it near daily, Sure groups will come with things like Chill, Cripple and such. Control conditions but i have seen plenty of groups that are Power based. Again is it all the time? No but it happens, thus the condition removal is situational.

@"Traity.8310" said:How does tempest not bring support? The entire traitline is a support traitline, which offers permanent regen, protection and vigor and auras for an entire group, together with good healing from warhorn 4/5 and the auras , hardly see how that is anything but support. Also the person in question has about 10 tempest videos on his channel, all of em with scepter or dagger+warhorn, not a single one staff, cause staff on tempest in WvW is terrible, and thinking anyone would play staff after they said they used to play condi hybrid speaks to a lack of knowledge about the class. Support weaver is not much more than a joke, sorry to break it to you, it's even worse than most other terrible "support" builds.

On its own, Tempest traitline doesnt really bring that much support. Elemental Bastion is one of the FEW traits they have that affects allies. You have THREE traits that affect allies. Thus. You CAN be a Tempest and not be support. You could be a condi Tempest, a DPS Tempest. Really most of the support that they offer comes from using other trait lines. Now if you take Tempest and other SPECIFIC traitlines then yes. It can be a support. Tempest on its own. Isn't support. It does have 2 ally based heals, does that mean its Support? No. Because Weaver offers just as much and it offers Water fields as well. You CAN make a support build from it, it is NOT however a support only traitline. You dont see a Tempest and instantly think: Oh, they are a tempest. They must be support.

Well you do know that that ", which offers permanent regen, protection and vigor and auras for an entire group" actually isnt from Tempest right? You dont take Water. Guess what. You dont have Aurashare. Therefore you dont have Perma (slight exaggeration) Regen, protection and Vigor for an entire group.

Support Weaver might be for you, but i'd say constant condition removal, group healing, Waterfields, Blast finishers and the heal due to it being a charge heal means you can use it every 10seconds for group healing assuming you can hit targets. Is it the best" support? No probably not but it does have enough to be a good support build when build right and in the group group. When you compare JUST what Weaver offers and what Tempest offers (ignoring all other trait lines) Weaver is just as good, has some great healing options, offers Water fields, evades, blast finishers, leap finishers.

[Arcaedus.7290]

Hey, you're not using Indomitable Courage but good on you because it's still bugged after 4 months of neglect and laziness!

The build isn't revolutionary but I think the video nicely showcases just how powerful support FB can be in a team. Awesome! :D