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Stronghold of the Faithful, Escort cave skip


Fiorex.5698

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I was doing the Escort mission with some pugs just now. I usually run the cave part solo with ease, but today someone showed me a way to skip its entirety. Mesmers can teleport on top of the wall next to the drawbridge in the beginning and run to the leylines to get up to the towers without having to enter the cave at all. This has to be done before the mission starts or the White Mantle will likely kill you. This doesn't benefit anyone else other than the chrono cave runner as it doesn't involve clipping Glenna through walls and the mechanics stay the same.

My question is: Are these kinds of skips against the terms of service? My common sense tells me no, but I want to make sure before starting to use it regularly or teaching it to others.

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In this particular case, since it's not allowing you to do something that would otherwise be impossible on that fight, it's not against the ToS and you aren't in danger of getting banned for it. If Anet ever decides that it's a problem they will simply introduce a patch that prevents it, probably by way of putting up a wall to keep you from doing that until the encounter is in progress.

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If you think it's an exploit or if you are concerned enough to post here, report it: exploits@arena.net. Include as many details as you can about how to skip. Don't do it yourself any more often than you need to for documentation purposes.

If you don't think it's worth the trouble to do that, then I recommend you not worry about it at all. Keep on doing what you're doing. There's almost no chance that ANet is going to suspend your account for doing what lots of other people are doing. Later, if ANet decides this is an exploit, they'll just change things to prevent it from happening.

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@Malediktus.9250 said:These kind of skips are probably considered an exploit, but I have not heared of anyone getting punished for this kind of stuff.

I can only stress that if it looks like an exploit, you're best to not do it and report it. I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge now and there will likely be little reprocussion, but if you value your to the game ... it's a grey area.

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@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:If you think it's an exploit or if you are concerned enough to post here, report it: exploits@arena.net.

I wasn't aware of this email address. Excellent!

I can only guess that ANet knows of this exploit already since it's well known in the community. I haven't seen anyone else do it before though. Might be because I'm always the one doing the cave part... :lol:

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@Fiorex.5698 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:If you think it's an exploit or if you are concerned enough to post here, report it: exploits@arena.net.

I wasn't aware of this email address. Excellent!

I can only guess that ANet knows of this exploit already since it's well known in the community. I haven't seen anyone else do it before though. Might be because I'm always the one doing the cave part... :lol:

If it worries you, it's always worth taking 2-3 minutes to send an email. They might or might not be aware of something "well known in the community," but you can imagine they might be more inclined to take a closer look if there are more direct reports. (Or not; it's hard to tell. I just don't like to assume what they know and what they don't.)

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It's not like exploiting escort hasn't been around for ages now, I think they must know about it.

If you want you can even just hide behind the tents at the start and wait for all of the adds to run past until there arent anymore that spawn. Then just pretty much walk through.

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@Rising Dusk.2408 said:

@"zealex.9410" said:I mean anet has a pretty clear stance on this. So long as double digits only do this kind of stuff its fine...Where did they make an official response on the Dhuum CM exploit issue? I've been looking for it for a while but have yet to find it.

Il try to find the post but in short someone asked if the exploiters are gonna be punished and anet said " wear the title wit pride because only a few ppl only did the exploit"

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@zealex.9410 said:

@zealex.9410 said:I mean anet has a pretty clear stance on this. So long as double digits only do this kind of stuff its fine...Where did they make an official response on the Dhuum CM exploit issue? I've been looking for it for a while but have yet to find it.

Il try to find the post but in short someone asked if the exploiters are gonna be punished and anet said " wear the title wit pride because only a few ppl only did the exploit"

That's my recollection, too. (I'm not sure that my definition of "few people" is the same as ANet's, though.)

However, it's moot: it doesn't matter what ANet did about exploit X. If you think there's an exploitable issue, report it. ANet will decide if it's important or not.

I know a lot of us would like ANet to be a lot more strict about dealing with cheating in all its various forms and I'd love to have them do an AMaA (ask me almost anything) about the issues. But that's an entirely different topic from the one the OP raised.

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@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@zealex.9410 said:I mean anet has a pretty clear stance on this. So long as double digits only do this kind of stuff its fine...Where did they make an official response on the Dhuum CM exploit issue? I've been looking for it for a while but have yet to find it.

Il try to find the post but in short someone asked if the exploiters are gonna be punished and anet said " wear the title wit pride because only a few ppl only did the exploit"

That's my recollection, too. (I'm not sure that my definition of "few people" is the same as ANet's, though.)

However, it's moot: it doesn't matter what ANet did about exploit X. If you think there's an exploitable issue, report it. ANet will decide if it's important or not.

I know a lot of us would like ANet to be a lot more strict about dealing with cheating in all its various forms and I'd love to have them do an AMaA (ask me almost anything) about the issues. But that's an entirely different topic from the one the OP raised.

Oh in not argueing tyhat they wont fix it if its not intented. Im sure they will.

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@Warcry.1596 said:I feel silly. I've never thought to send one person (mesmer) through the cave. Always send the three people that do towers to go together, and usually not a mesmer. Oh man this is eye opening for my guild xD

You should run with pug groups more often. It can open your eyes to new things. :smile:

@Coconut.7082 said:Anet didn't ban people who exploited Dhuum CM, so I wouldn't worry about the cave skip that much :D

I guess my main issue was that I didn't know if the skip would be against the ToS. If it is, then I won't do it. Even if it's not something you get punished for. I want to set a good example to my guild mates who I'm teaching at the moment. :smile:

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@Fiorex.5698 said:

@Warcry.1596 said:I feel silly. I've never thought to send one person (mesmer) through the cave. Always send the three people that do towers to go together, and usually not a mesmer. Oh man this is eye opening for my guild xD

You should run with pug groups more often. It can open your eyes to new things. :smile:

@Coconut.7082 said:Anet didn't ban people who exploited Dhuum CM, so I wouldn't worry about the cave skip that much :D

I guess my main issue was that I didn't know if the skip would be against the ToS. If it is, then I won't do it. Even if it's not something you get punished for. I want to set a good example to my guild mates who I'm teaching at the moment. :smile:

I try. It takes time to form groups and they often fall apart quickly. I need to do Wing 4 to finish armor but i'm the only one with experience in it in my guild and 9 people are hard to teach.

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@Warcry.1596 said:

@Warcry.1596 said:I feel silly. I've never thought to send one person (mesmer) through the cave. Always send the three people that do towers to go together, and usually not a mesmer. Oh man this is eye opening for my guild xD

You should run with pug groups more often. It can open your eyes to new things. :smile:

@Coconut.7082 said:Anet didn't ban people who exploited Dhuum CM, so I wouldn't worry about the cave skip that much :D

I guess my main issue was that I didn't know if the skip would be against the ToS. If it is, then I won't do it. Even if it's not something you get punished for. I want to set a good example to my guild mates who I'm teaching at the moment. :smile:

I try. It takes time to form groups and they often fall apart quickly. I need to do Wing 4 to finish armor but i'm the only one with experience in it in my guild and 9 people are hard to teach.

I pug all my raids. I just jump into LFM. If you are experience.. then you can get it done easily with pug xD they are more active during raid reset time

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