EremiteAngel.9765 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 TLDR: In my limited opinion, a balance patch mid season adds more challenge to the game and differentiates players who are able to adapt and continue their charge towards the top.I would like to say first that I rarely PvP.This new season 10 is only my 2nd season where I plan to complete the full 120? games required. I completed the first 15 games for the week and got placed at a shocking rank 80 (Plat 1) with a 12-3 record.Have all the good players stopped playing? I've never gotten so high and having just completed 1 full season prior to this, surely I shouldn't be so high.I was then informed by my friend that the season just started and there will likely be a Mid Season balance patch which was supposed to be bad and kept some players from entering the season at this stage.This got me thinking. Is a Balance Patch in Mid Season Good or Bad?I've seen a few posts claiming it is bad and balances should happen pre-season.Is it really bad though?The first thought that came to my mind was that it added more challenge to the season and could also be a measure of how well players adapt to the changes in their strive to reach the top. I feel it makes the season more interesting and challenging having to adapt builds, playstyles, rotation etc.Share your thoughts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 It's pretty good. It means they can compare statistics from matches in the first half of the season to matches in the latter half of the season and see what changes with builds and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Good or bad would only be a thing if ranked seasons actually meant something. Since the functionality is obviously a perpetual repetition of normal gameplay, a balance patch before, mid or after a season is just that... a balance patch.... neutral, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flauvious.6195 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 People didn't want to sit out this season because they're upset at the impending mid season balance patch, people sit out because the current balance is garbage so they don't want to play until the next balance patch hopefully fixes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpal.1497 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It invalidates the entire leaderboard if there are rule changes midway through. It would be like conducting an experiment on 3 mice, then halfway through one of them dies so you replace it with a new mouse and continue collecting data like nothing happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartarus.1082 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Realistically I don't think balance patches should be tied to the seasons anyway. If something is screwed up fix it, don't wait for the season to end. Plus according to some posts Ben made it was due to the team increasing patch frequency, and to be frank I'd rather have more patches even if they do it midseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkaile.5604 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Until the balance team gets better at balancing, it really doesn't seem like it matters when changes are implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICENIKESHOE.7128 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I want to say fake news as it should not be the focus, because overall it should depend on the degree of change and the frequency. If the change is small but frequent the meta will not dramatically shift enough to disrupt leaderboard. Tone down overpowered aspects a little and improve on the unused features should be able to maintain a rather stable meta, and even if it is done wrong they can just admit fault (albeit hard in corporate view) and adjust it back within small time interval. The model over past 2-3 years was "big" changes in 3 months interval, but are so hit and miss that players don't feel the effect. Hence we have people complain that patches felt like something decided in few weeks, and that meta has been stale. On top of that we have complete disconnect between the "balance team" and a gradually disillusioned PvP community, of course people will leave the PvP scene.As with any business model, communicating with the customers is the key to progress. So it would be great if we at least know how many balance patches will happen and when they'll happen during a season (wink wink @ANet). Then even people who are fearful of change can prepare for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks.2057 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's bad b/c they didn't have a balance patch in the beginning. You would expect a mid season patch as a small adjustment with the one in the beginning being major.Significant changes mid season is stupid & I honestly don't see Anet making huge changes thus putting off the balance team actually putting out a good patch until next quarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieux P.1238 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 WoW, looking at the early results.. most just don't care no more... :open_mouth: that's bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoknocks.4935 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Rank after the 15 games is pointless.I was put in plat 1 as well, but after a series of loses i just returned to silver 3.Probably I don't belong plat that's right, but when I was in gold 3 I saw so many people worse than doing simple mistakes.Your teammates skill decides your rank and not you in the first place. That's the pvp problem. A good balance patch even if mid season could make the game more fun and not the condi bomb cancer in every single control point that there is now.The other problem of having good of bad teammates will always be a thing unfortunately.But at least if they finally nerf scourge, bad players won't be able anymore to kill average skill players by simply spamming skill and possibly the game becomes more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukuni.8745 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 id say the season starts when the balance patch hits for alotta people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPuppy.8970 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 As long as there is balance patch, i really don't care.@tartarus.1082 said:Realistically I don't think balance patches should be tied to the seasons anyway. If something is screwed up fix it, don't wait for the season to end. Plus according to some posts Ben made it was due to the team increasing patch frequency, and to be frank I'd rather have more patches even if they do it midseason.Exactly my thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witcher.3197 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Depends.If the pre-season patch adds some broken stuff then fixing it midseason is a really good idea.But midseason is not the time to fix a meta that has existed for 3 consecutive seasons.. it should've been solved already in one of the breaks between seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 @Arkaile.5604 said:Until the balance team gets better at balancing, it really doesn't seem like it matters when changes are implemented.This. Blatant problems should be fixed immediately. Doesn't matter if it's between or during seasons. However, if something is just slightly too good or too bad or there's a big shake-up to add depth to gameplay, it should wait until between seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithilwen.1529 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Initially, it was said that there would not be changes mid season. Soon afterward there was a very heavy mid season nerf to Chronomancer. For a while, it looked like the Warrior extreme heal bug was going to be allowed to persist an entire season on the reasoning that there shouldn't be a mid season change. Warrior dominance forced a change though.My point is that the policy has been different vis-à-vis different classes. Consistency and quality in patches need improvement. I'm more concerned about that than about mid season or post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Godlike.6098 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The problem is with balance patches that are more experiments then actually addressing real problems. Last balance ele nerf's are good example. So what is good about experimenting on players ratings when you can do it more safely offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 If it makes the "big three" mains/converts into cryhards that abandon the specs...then yes....I vote yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 There should be no “meta.” Changes are not supposed to create the next new over powered thing. Changes are supposed to fix what is under or over performing and create diversity.Not how the players will adept to the next over power bullshit. And the changes should occur right at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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