Why is pvp so depressing in NA?

[FlOwMaKeRs.8623]

Each season is getting worse and worse, you can't find many people playing ranked, queue are ever more LONGER... ...

What's going on?

[Wesley.5694]

I always find matches in 1 minute maximum,

What's your rank?

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

The expansion(s) really threw things out of whack for the PvP players. The effects on PvP, as far as new elites and the power creep, tend to be something of an afterthought. It's part of the reason for the many 'balance' patches. All said, and simply, players are fed up when the once powerful spec they used becomes chicken feed to the newest elites and flavors of the month.

Second, most of the players who remained have maxed out on their PvP achievements. Once done, there's not much incentive to return to PvP for some shiny icon in your name or some mini llama. Sorry, but they're not interested.

Finally, and I know this is not what PvP players want to hear, but this is a PvE game focused on a casual crowd overall. People tend not to come to Guild Wars 2 for it's enthralling PvP gameplay. They come for the PvE content from Living World and the expansions. While not true for many Asian players, most European and North American players tend to be laid back and noncompetitive in this game. In fact, this game is designed toward cooperative gaming as opposed to competitive. The former crowd is more interested in farming and mapping new areas for loot and achievements. Again, not for anything in PvP.

No doubt not the answer you wanted, but that's what's happening. At least, in my humble opinion.

[Kaga.7629]

It's not like things were balanced before PoF anyways.... but now with

• Season Hate
• Season NEIN : the non condi-fix

• Season X : Midseason balancing strikes again!

  You ask why? really ?

[Wesley.5694]

@Ardenwolfe.8590 said:

Finally, and I know this is not what PvP players want to hear, but this is a PvE game focused on a casual crowd overall. People tend not to come to Guild Wars 2 for it's enthralling PvP gameplay. They come for the PvE content

This is not true. GW2 is the only mmorpg that you do not need to farm to go PvP, a lot of people find it interesting, I came because of that, I can play with several classes without work.In my opinion is the best mmorpg PvP. Of course it has unbalance, but all mmorpg has, and bigger. After playing Black Desert, GW2 is paradise

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

@Wesley.5694 said:This is not true. GW2 is the only mmorpg that you do not need to farm to go PvP, a lot of people find it interesting, I came because of that, I can play with several classes without work.In my opinion is the best mmorpg PvP. Of course it has unbalance, but all mmorpg has, and bigger. After playing Black Desert, GW2 is paradise

Given the back-to-back negative topics about PvP, to include this thread, and the overall lacking population? I'll agree to disagree with the above opinion. But we can agree on Black Desert. Still, anything compared to BDO will look like paradise. ;)

[sephiroth.4217]

I love the combat in this game, but Scourge design is destroying PvP in my eyes.Just my opinion:

• Scourge is a participation award spec, just stand on the point and watch everyone move off the point or die, easy cap for easy points.
• Scourge counters most power builds with might corruption, I'm a fan of power builds because it's more skillful than condition builds.
• Scourge can corrupt the only boon designed to help with conditions, resistance. (by mindlessly spamming)
• Scourge can corrupt a boon designed to help with CC and turn it into hard CC, Stab > fear. (mindless spam again)
• Scourge has no telegraphs on most skills so you have no idea when to dodge, I remember the fuss over Firegrab years ago.
• Having to spec all traits and utilities into condition cleansing and still not being able to keep up with condition cleanse, takes away the ability to run fun skills such as "Wild Blow"
• Scourge AoE can cover all the points while also dishing out more damage than single target skills.
• Scourge counters most melee builds, forced to bring ranged weapons. Can't play some of my favourite builds like D/D Ele anymore, probably could if they revert Diamond skin. (oddly enough, was changed due to hard countering condition necro builds that refused to bring power in thier builds)
• Scourge removes any sense of "getting gud"....

I love the combat in this game, but so far the best counter to Scourge is to play WvW instead of PvP because in WvW there's room to move around the AoE and you're not forced onto a node with barely any room that the scourge has covered with AoE.

[Nilkemia.8507]

Answer : PvP is a crapshoot, no matter what MMO it's in, period. The sad thing is, GW2 may still have among the best PvP around, but that's only because the PvP of every other MMO I've seen is worse.

[Ziggityzog.7389]

@"sephiroth.4217" said:I love the combat in this game, but Scourge design is destroying PvP in my eyes.Just my opinion:

• Scourge is a participation award spec, just stand on the point and watch everyone move off the point or die, easy cap for easy points.
• Scourge counters most power builds with might corruption, I'm a fan of power builds because it's more skillful than condition builds.
• Scourge can corrupt the only boon designed to help with conditions, resistance. (by mindlessly spamming)
• Scourge can corrupt a boon designed to help with CC and turn it into hard CC, Stab > fear. (mindless spam again)
• Scourge has no telegraphs on most skills so you have no idea when to dodge, I remember the fuss over Firegrab years ago.
• Having to spec all traits and utilities into condition cleansing and still not being able to keep up with condition cleanse, takes away the ability to run fun skills such as "Wild Blow"
• Scourge AoE can cover all the points while also dishing out more damage than single target skills.
• Scourge counters most melee builds, forced to bring ranged weapons. Can't play some of my favourite builds like D/D Ele anymore, probably could if they revert Diamond skin. (oddly enough, was changed due to hard countering condition necro builds that refused to bring power in thier builds)
• Scourge removes any sense of "getting gud"....

I love the combat in this game, but so far the best counter to Scourge is to play WvW instead of PvP because in WvW there's room to move around the AoE and you're not forced onto a node with barely any room that the scourge has covered with AoE.

I wish i could choose between reaper or scourge because honestly i love reaper still.... But as a necro pvp player of about 3 n a half years and being here since gw1 it sucks not being able to play what you enjoy. Now i have to play the spam nec aka scourge or die horribly as a core necro or reaper. Spam and condition wars 2 join or die.

[NICENIKESHOE.7128]

@Ziggityzog.7389 said:

I wish i could choose between reaper or scourge because honestly i love reaper still.... But as a necro pvp player of about 3 n a half years and being here since gw1 it sucks not being able to play what you enjoy. Now i have to play the spam nec aka scourge or die horribly as a core necro or reaper. Spam and condition wars 2 join or die.

Yeah I kinda felt sorry for reaper lovers since MMR algorithm causes you to face a scourge by chance while having less scourge on your team :/Same deal with other HoT specs as well, just the common issue with MMR and/or massive power difference between HoT and PoF.

[Mr Godlike.6098]

I feel more like NA players (especialy higher tier) just want to kill this game personally and bury it. They kinda have reasons to have personal grudge against anet...prolueage scene there...was kinda troubled.

[corey.6451]

@FlOwMaKeRs.8623 said:Each season is getting worse and worse, you can't find many people playing ranked, queue are ever more LONGER... ...

What's going on?

Alot of them tranfer to eu atm. Honestly, if you can, do it, and you will get use to the high ping in no time. People just fed up with NA, alot of them cheat since the start of season 5, i know because i was in na for that season and already the top 1st and 2nd cheat then 4th,5th. Cant remember much but, i personal know for sure that no 1 4 and 5 cheat because they ask me to throw/dc for 100 gold and i say yes, they actually sent it( i didnt throw/dc oviously, you should see them rage in pm those xD priceless). But yeh i tranfer back to eu.

Eu has cheat too, but no way close to na lvl. We start to see more and more na player since 2 to 3 season now.

[Flauvious.6195]

@"sephiroth.4217" said:I love the combat in this game, but Scourge design is destroying PvP in my eyes.Just my opinion:

• Scourge is a participation award spec, just stand on the point and watch everyone move off the point or die, easy cap for easy points.
• Scourge counters most power builds with might corruption, I'm a fan of power builds because it's more skillful than condition builds.
• Scourge can corrupt the only boon designed to help with conditions, resistance. (by mindlessly spamming)
• Scourge can corrupt a boon designed to help with CC and turn it into hard CC, Stab > fear. (mindless spam again)
• Scourge has no telegraphs on most skills so you have no idea when to dodge, I remember the fuss over Firegrab years ago.
• Having to spec all traits and utilities into condition cleansing and still not being able to keep up with condition cleanse, takes away the ability to run fun skills such as "Wild Blow"
• Scourge AoE can cover all the points while also dishing out more damage than single target skills.
• Scourge counters most melee builds, forced to bring ranged weapons. Can't play some of my favourite builds like D/D Ele anymore, probably could if they revert Diamond skin. (oddly enough, was changed due to hard countering condition necro builds that refused to bring power in thier builds)
• Scourge removes any sense of "getting gud"....

I love the combat in this game, but so far the best counter to Scourge is to play WvW instead of PvP because in WvW there's room to move around the AoE and you're not forced onto a node with barely any room that the scourge has covered with AoE.

This. "but you can counter scourge!" maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that scourge gameplay is cancer and just kills any fun of playing pvp whether you are winning or losing.