Mirage faster than thief ( all cd used on a long dinstance ).

[Shirlias.8104]

Guess i have seen everything now.Gosh.

edit: forget the skills i used to incrase the gap between him and me ( in 10 seconds ).

• Dash x10
• Vault * 5
• Critter steal ( in order to move forward but not to get in combat ).
• Shadowstep

Really uncommentable.

[bq pd.2148]

open field or was there alot vertical movement aswell? because there thief got advantage IMO

[Shirlias.8104]

@MUDse.7623 said:open field or was there alot vertical movement aswell? because there thief got advantage IMO

On the road.Didn't try to exploit with vertical movements because i thought it wasn't needed given the classes.

I was wrong ( trying to understand how he could have replicated my lenght. However my bad for have underestimated the enemy ).

[Legatus.3608]

Didn't use sb5.

Vault does not do a good enough job when it comes to speed.

His dash and your dash give about equal speed boost. Shadowstep = blink

Then you've got vault left which is piss poor as a movement skill, it's primary function isn't movement, it only gives about as much as a dash.

Idk what he did to make up for those vaults though, they do move faster than walking. There's probably a weapon skill with blink on it

[Shirlias.8104]

@Legatus.3608 said:Didn't use sb5.

Vault does not do a good enough job when it comes to speed

There's not too much difference if you consider that every 5 vault you have a free dash ( also shortbow leaves you on range untill the arrow lands, so i would have probably died sooner, except if I would have decided to use vertical teleports, but this was not the case. And also if i move toward the arrow, the time the teleport activates i covered 1/3 of the path by running... ).

[Legatus.3608]

Oh and the critter steal I really don't know how he countered that

[Shirlias.8104]

@"Legatus.3608" said:Oh and the critter steal I really don't know how he countered that

He simply continued to get closer until he catch me.He didn't "counter" the critter/steal.

[Ghost.5637]

Yeah it's super annoying to chase most classes now. Warrior, ranger, engi, and mesmer are the worst. Just use too many resources trying to catch just to have no ini or utilities left to actually fight if/when they turn on you. Hate letting kills get away :P

[cbocbo.1509]

BlinkJaunt x3Mirage cloak = super speedSword ambush spam

[Shirlias.8104]

@cbocbo.1509 said:BlinkJaunt x3Mirage cloak = super speedSword ambush spam

I though the same + mimic on blink.Maybe i underestimated the sword ambush travel dinstance.

[TwiceDead.1963]

You probably would've gotten away had you used a Shortbow... But aside from that, there's really nothing Thief can do that Mesmer can't.

[Legatus.3608]

@cbocbo.1509 said:BlinkJaunt x3Mirage cloak = super speedSword ambush spam

Ah yeah, I forgot about jaunt and sword 1. Kind of sad that literally everything thief does is now done better by mesmer.

[Faaris.8013]

I suppose there was a video created for this? I cannot see a link or a video.

[Legatus.3608]

@Faaris.8013 said:I suppose there was a video created for this? I cannot see a link or a video.

Not needed, you can figure it out yourself. We just listed the abilities

[Faaris.8013]

@Legatus.3608 said:

@Faaris.8013 said:I suppose there was a video created for this? I cannot see a link or a video.

Not needed, you can figure it out yourself. We just listed the abilities

Sure, and I know very well that I cannot escape a dedicated mesmer before my skills are on cd and initiative depleted. Somehow I expected a video though and wasn't sure if I'm the only one who doesn't see it.

[Ario.8964]

Dodge+sword 1, blink, jaunt, and possibly some other port skills if he took them. If he had staff then maybe backwards staff 2?

[Legatus.3608]

@Ario.8964 said:Dodge+sword 1, blink, jaunt, and possibly some other port skills if he took them. If he had staff then maybe backwards staff 2?

Yep, about face + staff 2. I was surprised when I actually thought about it that thief has less mobility than mesmer. Mobility was the only thing thief did that made them good, mesmer is basically just a better class now.

[SteepledHat.1345]

Mesmer sword ambush has a range closer to 800. You can confirm this pretty easily in game, and I've mentioned it before in the mesmer forums. No one cared.

[Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497]

Anet still thinks it's ok for other specs to do what thief is supposed to be the best at.

[Ario.8964]

It'd be balanced if other specs could do what thief does as that's the intention of elite specs: to allow you to do things you couldn't before in a style that may be more comfortable to you. The problem is they allow other classes to do what thief does without the sacrifices that thieves make. It was the same problem with rev when it first came out and evicted thief. It was a safer version of thief for the meta at the time and could do other things that thief couldn't do.

[Shirlias.8104]

@"Highlie.7641" said:Vault would of slowed you down. You can cover almost the same distance walking with swiftness then you can while using vault.

Definitely not.It's like saying "Infiltrator arrow has 900 range right... unfortunately you still move toward the arrow, so it has only 700 range more or less".Also 3 vault = 30 endurance back, which with normal regen = 1 extra dash.

[Shirlias.8104]

You said almost and i confirmed that it's definitely faster vault than running ( also you have the evade on it, which has a 50% not to put you in combat, or taking damage, if attacked while moving ).

About SB, it is faster than vault ( even though i prefer vault because of more evasion ) but the dinstance covered needs time to enlarge its gap.And also, even though it's easy to avoid sometimes i still fall for it, there's the shitty bug infiltrator arrow + dash which holds you on place.

Shortly, i chose to trade a little bit of my covered dinstance in favor of more evades, but even so the mesmer is able to catch up ( not sure with SB while in combat vs staff while not in combat, on a straight line ).

[Simonoly.4352]

If the Mirage has sword and you don't have shortbow good luck keeping up/getting away - although sword Thief has a better time with this.If the Mirage doesn't have sword and you have shortbow, you can engage and disengage at will.If the Mirage has sword and you have shortbow you could be chasing each other for days.

I generally find, playing on my Mirage or my Daredevil, it's such a flip of the coin in terms of mobility win against the other. I remember using Blink + Jaunt x3 + Illusionary Ambush + Mirage Thurst x2 + Axes of Symmetry (hybrid build) to catch up with a Daredevil once and whilst it was funny to see the DD poop himself a little when I came flying over in a mess of pink/purple madness I had nothing left when I got there and the DD just left again after poking me a bit. But I remember being on my DD once and the Mirage I was face stabbing just flew off into the distance so quickly that my jaw dropped and I had a little cry in stealth for a bit.

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

Thief is not about speed, it's about misdirections and negative conditions. This is the reason why our Shadowstep has Shadow Return for juking purposes. It's also the reason why we have traps and caltrops. Crippling them is the same as giving yourself Super Speed. Blinding them is the same as giving yourself Instant Reflexes.

Also always have an exit plan. The one I always use, and typically works very well, is Shadow Refuge/Infiltrator Arrow misdirection.

This is how I use it;

• Drop Shadow's Refuge ahead of the direction you are running towards to
• Your pursuer will see the AoE indicator
• Swap to Shortbow
• As soon as you enter the AoE, use Infiltrator's Arrow towards the opposite direction

Another one I use is the Shadow Refuge/Shadowstep misdirection.

• Drop Shadow's Refuge ahead of the direction you are running towards to
• Your pursuer will see the AoE indicator
• Shadowstep inside the AoE
• From here you can decide to either stay for full 10s stealth, or use Shadow Return to get a 1200 gap.
• If you swap to Shortbow, you can use IA after Shadow Return.

I don't agree that the Thief should be the fastest, I think Rangers should be the fastest. The thief just needs to be crafty.