I... I don't see the point of the gathering tools change...

[Khisanth.2948]

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Khisanth.2948 said:Well it gives a reason to buy the no frills gathering tools set now.

I can pay

2400

1800 gems for a set and apply the skin I want instead of paying 3000 gems for a set.

But you'd have to buy the expensive set for their glyphs, too...Or get them from blacklion chests, true.I think you're missing the point. Anet's point is not to make it cheaper for you. The reason for a change is because the tools aren't equal. Some offer better bonuses than others. Before, you had to choose - do you want the animation you like, or do you want the good gathering bonus? Now you don't need to - you can put the bonus on the set you like best.

This is the change that has been asked for before.

or buy them on the TP

[Supz.9836]

I have bought 2 sets of infinite tools, I have also just bought alot of gems today to buy other items, but I am sad they implemented this change.

I have spent and will continue to spend alot of money on this game but I feel this is a rather cheap money grab.

If it goes the direction I think it may go, I will stop playing.

[Oglaf.1074]

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Khisanth.2948 said:Well it gives a reason to buy the no frills gathering tools set now.

I can pay

2400

1800 gems for a set and apply the skin I want instead of paying 3000 gems for a set.

But you'd have to buy the expensive set for their glyphs, too...Or get them from blacklion chests, true.I think you're missing the point. Anet's point is not to make it cheaper for you. The reason for a change is because the tools aren't equal. Some offer better bonuses than others. Before, you had to choose - do you want the animation you like, or do you want the good gathering bonus? Now you don't need to - you can put the bonus on the set you like best.

This is the change that has been asked for before.

Forgive me for not jumping for joy at the prospect of things gated behind loot box gambling. Further more, you’d still have to outright buy most of the special tools for their Glyph; they are not in the chests.

[Khisanth.2948]

According to the blog post the order of things will be.

New tool + new glyphThen glyph gets added to blc later.

Not sure where that puts the existing tools. At least it means I won't need to get the new pick in order to get the glyph. Just need to wait.

[Obtena.7952]

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Khisanth.2948 said:Well it gives a reason to buy the no frills gathering tools set now.

I can pay

2400

1800 gems for a set and apply the skin I want instead of paying 3000 gems for a set.

But you'd have to buy the expensive set for their glyphs, too...Or get them from blacklion chests, true.I think you're missing the point. Anet's point is not to make it cheaper for you. The reason for a change is because the tools aren't equal. Some offer better bonuses than others. Before, you had to choose - do you want the animation you like, or do you want the good gathering bonus? Now you don't need to - you can put the bonus on the set you like best.

This is the change that has been asked for before.

Forgive me for not jumping for joy at the prospect of things gated behind loot box gambling. Further more, you’d still have to outright buy most of the special tools for their Glyph; they are not in the chests.

I think you have to understand that Anet isn't going to change things that will make them less money. They still want to sell you unlimited tools and having a more flexible skins/effects/bonus system is how they are going to do it. They care little if an individual player thinks glyphs are too much or locked in BLC's. I count us LUCKY that we can swap a tool with a glyph we prefer between characters with shared INV slots or buy the glyphs in the TP at all ... There are lots of smart compromises here and they FAVOUR the players.

[Hyper Cutter.9376]

I would rather they made the gathering tools account-wide, that would have been a much better change so you didn't have to play musical chairs with them if you wanted multiple characters to use them.

[Ardenwolfe.8590]

@Ayakaru.6583 said:The point is that i can finally return to my original Molten Set and give it the boon of my Unbound Magic Tools

This. I made this suggestion some time ago and recently again. It's that I love my mine-r-trons, but love the profit from the Watchwork pick more. Combining the ability from Watchwork with Mine-r-Tron's appearance is a total win!

[Oglaf.1074]

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Khisanth.2948 said:Well it gives a reason to buy the no frills gathering tools set now.

I can pay

2400

1800 gems for a set and apply the skin I want instead of paying 3000 gems for a set.

But you'd have to buy the expensive set for their glyphs, too...Or get them from blacklion chests, true.I think you're missing the point. Anet's point is not to make it cheaper for you. The reason for a change is because the tools aren't equal. Some offer better bonuses than others. Before, you had to choose - do you want the animation you like, or do you want the good gathering bonus? Now you don't need to - you can put the bonus on the set you like best.

This is the change that has been asked for before.

Forgive me for not jumping for joy at the prospect of things gated behind loot box gambling. Further more, you’d still have to outright buy most of the special tools for their Glyph; they are not in the chests.

I think you have to understand that Anet isn't going to change things that will make them less money. They still want to sell you unlimited tools and having a more flexible skins/effects/bonus system is how they are going to do it. They care little if an individual player thinks glyphs are too much or locked in BLC's. I count us LUCKY that we can swap a tool with a glyph we prefer between characters with shared INV slots or buy the glyphs in the TP at all ... There are lots of smart compromises here and they FAVOUR the players.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

I’m not against Anet making money with premium content, quite the opposite. I’m against gambling. Gambling is never in the “favour if the players”. Get outta here with that Stockholm Syndrome nonsense.

[EthanLightheart.9168]

Why? It's very profitable receiving 60 additional copperlings every 3-6 nodes, isnt it?-.-

[Vayne.8563]

Great upgrade for a guy like me who had multiple sets of tools with different animations. I collect the animations I like but I wouldn't buy the same tool twice. Maybe I want to use the molten mining pick skin on three characters. Now I can. That to me, is another way to customize my character. I'm pretty much drowning in transmutation charges just now (I have over 1100) so that part isn't an issue for me.

And the advent of the leather and cloth farming will eventually start affected mat prices, if it hasn't already.

[Ashantara.8731]

@Oglaf.1074 said:I mean, what is the point? Instead of juggling the tools around my characters, I juggle the glyphs...?

There are new glyphs that none of the tools have available, so that is the point.

Also, glad one can change the tools' appearance, because some models gather faster than others, or one might dislike one tool's sound etc.

I just want the special, unbreakable tools to be an account-wide thing already.

Agreed. It would be need to not have to constantly juggle them between characters.

[Manasa Devi.7958]

I don't see the point of pretending to hesitate in written text.

[Cyanchiv.2583]

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Astralporing.1957 said:

@Oglaf.1074 said:

@Khisanth.2948 said:Well it gives a reason to buy the no frills gathering tools set now.

I can pay

2400

1800 gems for a set and apply the skin I want instead of paying 3000 gems for a set.

But you'd have to buy the expensive set for their glyphs, too...Or get them from blacklion chests, true.I think you're missing the point. Anet's point is not to make it cheaper for you. The reason for a change is because the tools aren't equal. Some offer better bonuses than others. Before, you had to choose - do you want the animation you like, or do you want the good gathering bonus? Now you don't need to - you can put the bonus on the set you like best.

This is the change that has been asked for before.

Forgive me for not jumping for joy at the prospect of things gated behind loot box gambling. Further more, you’d still have to outright buy most of the special tools for their Glyph; they are not in the chests.

I think you have to understand that Anet isn't going to change things that will make them less money. They still want to sell you unlimited tools and having a more flexible skins/effects/bonus system is how they are going to do it. They care little if an individual player thinks glyphs are too much or locked in BLC's. I count us LUCKY that we can swap a tool with a glyph we prefer between characters with shared INV slots or buy the glyphs in the TP at all ... There are lots of smart compromises here and they FAVOUR the players.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

I’m not against Anet making money with premium content, quite the opposite. I’m against gambling. Gambling is

never

in the “favour if the players”. Get outta here with that Stockholm Syndrome nonsense.

The new glyphs in the TP are already comparable to the cost of buying tools in the gem store in the past, and that's with the initial high prices. There is no need to 'gamble' when glyphs can be purchased directly for less cost than what they were in the gem store.

[Steve The Cynic.3217]

@Manasa Devi.7958 said:I don't see the point of pretending to hesitate in written text.

Forum-writing isn't really formal written text. It's more like sitting around with some mates shooting the breeze, and so people find ways to express the same extra things they can express with their voices - dramatic ... pauses; um, er, hesitations; emphasis stress on important words; and so on.

[Manpag.6421]

This is a massive improvement over the old system. 'Regular' permanent tools were a waste of money before compared to Unbound, Dog and Watchwork tools because they didn't offer bonuses. Now, by essentially splitting bonuses and skins, you still have incentive to buy whatever skin you like AND be making your gold back gradually in bonus items.

[Zaraki.5784]

It's nothing more than fashon wars 2 applied to gathering tools.

[Manasa Devi.7958]

@Steve The Cynic.3217 said:

@Manasa Devi.7958 said:I don't see the point of pretending to hesitate in written text.

Forum-writing isn't really formal written text. It's more like sitting around with some mates shooting the breeze, and so people find ways to express the same extra things they can express with their voices - dramatic ... pauses; um, er, hesitations; emphasis stress on

important

words; and so on.

So there isn't a point. I knew it.

[Crystal Master.4169]

And we still don't have account-wide shared gathering tools slots... Guess I still won't be buying unbreakable tools any time soon.

[Lankybrit.4598]

@Crystal Master.4169 said:And we still don't have account-wide shared gathering tools slots... Guess I still won't be buying unbreakable tools any time soon.

But we do have shared slots. It's not hard swapping the tools between characters.

[Drarnor Kunoram.5180]

The one thing I want to see happen in regards to this new setup ASAP is getting glyphs added to the black lion statuettes. Having new ones only coming from chest RNG is annoying (yes, you can buy them off the TP, those ones came from chest RNG).

[Traveller.7496]

I never realized some people bought more than one set of infinite harvesting tools.

I was hoping for true account bound tools though, as a quality of life upgrade, so you could equip them on all characters without the need to swap them around. But I guess they went the completely opposite direction and I was reminded that "it won't happen since people pay for that QoL" via shared inventory amongst other things.

I guess I'm just a dreamer when I wanted one set of account bound infinite harvesting tools to be easily used by all my characters without buying extra stuff from the gemstore, for "convenience", of course.

[Tiger Ashante.1792]

@Zaraki.5784 said:It's nothing more than fashon wars 2 applied to gathering tools.

ofc, lol, even gathering in gw2 has to be fun and exciting hehe.

[Oglaf.1074]

@Steve The Cynic.3217 said:

@"Manasa Devi.7958" said:I don't see the point of pretending to hesitate in written text.

Forum-writing isn't really formal written text. It's more like sitting around with some mates shooting the breeze, and so people find ways to express the same extra things they can express with their voices - dramatic ... pauses; um, er, hesitations; emphasis stress on

important

words; and so on.

[mindcircus.1506]

@Oglaf.1074 said:I mean, what is the point? Instead of juggling the tools around my characters, I juggle the glyphs...? I just want the special, unbreakable tools to be an account-wide thing already.

If there is something I am missing here, do enlighten me please.

Just some little fun options for gathering. You can buy the effects with karma if you want. Or you can just buy the same tools you always have and do what you have always done.No harm, no foul. Just more options.Your thread title though is pure cringe.

[Oglaf.1074]

@mindcircus.1506 said:Your thread title though is pure cringe.

You say that as if it matters what you think.