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Why does arenanet allow hackers and bots to continue? Reports, emails, asking arenanet to DO something seem to go unanswered ... why? As a budding PvP er i would like to have honest games. Seems that is not possible especially in ranked arenas. Where is arenanet's responses? If i have missed them, someone could help me there. Respectfully Chatiss

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@chatiss.3281 said:Why does arenanet allow hackers and bots to continue? Reports, emails, asking arenanet to DO something seem to go unanswered ... why? As a budding PvP er i would like to have honest games. Seems that is not possible especially in ranked arenas. Where is arenanet's responses? If i have missed them, someone could help me there. Respectfully Chatiss

You might have noticed a 31-page thread about 1600 accounts that were suspended for having cheatware running at the same time as GW2 was. Do you not count that as a response from ANet?

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@chatiss.3281 said:Why does arenanet allow hackers and bots to continue?Why does the governments allow criminals to continue robbing and murdering?

Because they don't find them before it's too late. Reporting those hackers is a very good first step and I'm sure ArenaNet takes countermeasures against the hackers as much as they can.

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@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@chatiss.3281 said:Why does arenanet allow hackers and bots to continue? Reports, emails, asking arenanet to DO something seem to go unanswered ... why? As a budding PvP er i would like to have honest games. Seems that is not possible especially in ranked arenas. Where is arenanet's responses? If i have missed them, someone could help me there. Respectfully Chatiss

You might have noticed a 31-page thread about 1600 accounts that were suspended for having cheatware running at the same time as GW2 was. Do you not count that as a response from ANet?

Nailed it. Of course, that official response helps too. ;)

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1600 is almost nothing. After these ban-waves I sometimes visit those hacker forums to see how big the outcry is. The result is infuriating. These hackers are sitting in their forums and laughing at ANet. There are YouTube channels by people who have been hacking for years (as seen in their videos) without any consequences.

"My main account is not banned, which is what I get on to update kitten/kitten if need be and have been doing the entire time for over a year now to keep it maintained.

I also would rarely pop in a spvp game with quite a few things running, to mention.

The only tools I used were kitten/kitten and a few times I have used kitten ( since its light weight ) on my laptop to update for everyone on the fly since I was not home.

This just looks like a scare tactic since even people who haven't played in ages got banned in this ( asked a few friends who did speedhack gathering 24/7 an haven't even played in 4-8~ months themselves, an they got banned for 6 months an haven't even logged in since selling most of the gold they farmed an most didn't even have the game installed anymore ).

This is just simply because of a few people kicking a fuss to anet and them having to make an "example" so the legitimate community is happy.

Honestly the speed hack is not entirely that hard to detect on there end, they have just been overly lazy since the last big ban for teleport hacking ( which as I already stated you could do in small bursts even now without penalty ) an now they feel special for banning a bunch of people who've already quit ( since you can obviously see the very minor uproar on here compared to what 1.5k people complaining would actually look like ).

I'll continue hacking & updating everything, typical anet tactics don't bother me much." - A Hacker

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Just a thing to add. My guildleader is online a lot. She is building three guilds and doesn’t count on people helping. She loves farming, but also loves to farm with a lesser attention span. So she plays the game buy letting her minions kill the enemy while she is chatting or doing other things while being behind the keyboard. You can think whatever you want, but arenanet stated that this is allowed. The rule is that you have to be at your keyboard. The other day she was harassed by someone who was really full of her being a hacker and a bad person. A GM approached her in the gold chat and she responded (and proofed she was at the keyboard). So she was not cheating but this person kept harassing her. She is a kind lady and only blocked him.

Bottom line. Identifying bots or hackers might not be as easy as you imagine. Arenanet is doing the best they can and are successful. But some people you think are hacking, might not. And some people who do, escape. It is just not easy

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@mercury ranique.2170 said:Just a thing to add. My guildleader is online a lot. She is building three guilds and doesn’t count on people helping. She loves farming, but also loves to farm with a lesser attention span. So she plays the game buy letting her minions kill the enemy while she is chatting or doing other things while being behind the keyboard. You can think whatever you want, but arenanet stated that this is allowed. The rule is that you have to be at your keyboard. The other day she was harassed by someone who was really full of her being a hacker and a bad person. A GM approached her in the gold chat and she responded (and proofed she was at the keyboard). So she was not cheating but this person kept harassing her. She is a kind lady and only blocked him.

Bottom line. Identifying bots or hackers might not be as easy as you imagine. Arenanet is doing the best they can and are successful. But some people you think are hacking, might not. And some people who do, escape. It is just not easy

It's more about the speed/teleport hackers that just fly around the map or kill players in WvW/PvP with these unfair advantages. No worries.

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@"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:1600 is almost nothing. After these ban-waves I sometimes visit those hacker forums to see how big the outcry is. The result is infuriating. These hackers are sitting in their forums and laughing at ANet. There are YouTube channels by people who have been hacking for years (as seen in their videos) without any consequences.

"My main account is not banned, which is what I get on to update kitten/kitten if need be and have been doing the entire time for over a year now to keep it maintained.

I also would rarely pop in a spvp game with quite a few things running, to mention.

The only tools I used were kitten/kitten and a few times I have used kitten ( since its light weight ) on my laptop to update for everyone on the fly since I was not home.

This just looks like a scare tactic since even people who haven't played in ages got banned in this ( asked a few friends who did speedhack gathering 24/7 an haven't even played in 4-8~ months themselves, an they got banned for 6 months an haven't even logged in since selling most of the gold they farmed an most didn't even have the game installed anymore ).

This is just simply because of a few people kicking a fuss to anet and them having to make an "example" so the legitimate community is happy.

Honestly the speed hack is not entirely that hard to detect on there end, they have just been overly lazy since the last big ban for teleport hacking ( which as I already stated you could do in small bursts even now without penalty ) an now they feel special for banning a bunch of people who've already quit ( since you can obviously see the very minor uproar on here compared to what 1.5k people complaining would actually look like ).

I'll continue hacking & updating everything, typical anet tactics don't bother me much." - A Hacker

People say the same thing about Blizzard and their attempt to (not) ban hackers and botters in WoW. Weekly there are posts on their Customer support forums about how they aren't doing anything. It is a never ending cycle. You act like it's easy to figure these out. It really isn't.

If you are so good at it like you are 100% postive you are, send a partial example to Anet and get them to hire you.

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@Ellieanna.5027 said:

@"BunjiKugashira.9754" said:1600 is almost nothing. After these ban-waves I sometimes visit those hacker forums to see how big the outcry is. The result is infuriating. These hackers are sitting in their forums and laughing at ANet. There are YouTube channels by people who have been hacking for years (as seen in their videos) without any consequences.

"My main account is not banned, which is what I get on to update kitten/kitten if need be and have been doing the entire time for over a year now to keep it maintained.

I also would rarely pop in a spvp game with quite a few things running, to mention.

The only tools I used were kitten/kitten and a few times I have used kitten ( since its light weight ) on my laptop to update for everyone on the fly since I was not home.

This just looks like a scare tactic since even people who haven't played in ages got banned in this ( asked a few friends who did speedhack gathering 24/7 an haven't even played in 4-8~ months themselves, an they got banned for 6 months an haven't even logged in since selling most of the gold they farmed an most didn't even have the game installed anymore ).

This is just simply because of a few people kicking a fuss to anet and them having to make an "example" so the legitimate community is happy.

Honestly the speed hack is not entirely that hard to detect on there end, they have just been overly lazy since the last big ban for teleport hacking ( which as I already stated you could do in small bursts even now without penalty ) an now they feel special for banning a bunch of people who've already quit ( since you can obviously see the very minor uproar on here compared to what 1.5k people complaining would actually look like ).

I'll continue hacking & updating everything, typical anet tactics don't bother me much." - A Hacker

People say the same thing about Blizzard and their attempt to (not) ban hackers and botters in WoW. Weekly there are posts on their Customer support forums about how they aren't doing anything. It is a never ending cycle. You act like it's easy to figure these out. It really isn't.

If you are so good at it like you are 100% postive you are, send a partial example to Anet and get them to hire you.

I never claimed to be good at writing hack-detection software. The hacker I cited claimed the speedhack should be easy to detect. I'm kinda inclined to believe him on that point because there is no reason for him to lie. While I do have some ideas how the most obvious hacks could be automatically detected, I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement into GW2. Mostly because I have never seen GW2's code.

What makes me believe that ANet doesn't do enough against hackers is, that there are YouTube accounts of people who have been hacking for years now, uploading videos of their hacks, advertising hacking tools and impersonating ANet staff.

And I'm not talking about minor, difficult to detect, hacks like 10% higher crit-chance, looking through walls, etc. I'm talking about teleporting from the start of an instance straight to the boss, using guardian skills with 0 cooldown as an elementalist, dealing 10k damage with every auto-attack, flying, walking up walls and other obvious stuff.

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@BunjiKugashira.9754 said:I never claimed to be good at writing hack-detection software. The hacker I cited claimed the speedhack should be easy to detect.

Hacks like speedhack would be easy to detect... if the server would do that check. But obviously it's the client that checks, if the character should even be allowed to run this fast. And there is where the hacking programs interact (I think).

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@BunjiKugashira.9754 said:

@BunjiKugashira.9754 said:1600 is almost nothing. After these ban-waves I sometimes visit those hacker forums to see how big the outcry is. The result is infuriating. These hackers are sitting in their forums and laughing at ANet. There are YouTube channels by people who have been hacking for years (as seen in their videos) without any consequences.

"My main account is not banned, which is what I get on to update kitten/kitten if need be and have been doing the entire time for over a year now to keep it maintained.

I also would rarely pop in a spvp game with quite a few things running, to mention.

The only tools I used were kitten/kitten and a few times I have used kitten ( since its light weight ) on my laptop to update for everyone on the fly since I was not home.

This just looks like a scare tactic since even people who haven't played in ages got banned in this ( asked a few friends who did speedhack gathering 24/7 an haven't even played in 4-8~ months themselves, an they got banned for 6 months an haven't even logged in since selling most of the gold they farmed an most didn't even have the game installed anymore ).

This is just simply because of a few people kicking a fuss to anet and them having to make an "example" so the legitimate community is happy.

Honestly the speed hack is not entirely that hard to detect on there end, they have just been overly lazy since the last big ban for teleport hacking ( which as I already stated you could do in small bursts even now without penalty ) an now they feel special for banning a bunch of people who've already quit ( since you can obviously see the very minor uproar on here compared to what 1.5k people complaining would actually look like ).

I'll continue hacking & updating everything, typical anet tactics don't bother me much." - A Hacker

People say the same thing about Blizzard and their attempt to (not) ban hackers and botters in WoW. Weekly there are posts on their Customer support forums about how they aren't doing anything. It is a never ending cycle. You act like it's easy to figure these out. It really isn't.

If you are so good at it like you are 100% postive you are, send a partial example to Anet and get them to hire you.

I never claimed to be good at writing hack-detection software. The hacker I cited claimed the speedhack should be easy to detect. I'm kinda inclined to believe him on that point because there is no reason for him to lie. While I do have some ideas how the most obvious hacks could be automatically detected, I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement into GW2. Mostly because I have never seen GW2's code.

What makes me believe that ANet doesn't do enough against hackers is, that there are YouTube accounts of people who have been hacking for years now, uploading videos of their hacks, advertising hacking tools and impersonating ANet staff.

And I'm not talking about minor, difficult to detect, hacks like 10% higher crit-chance, looking through walls, etc. I'm talking about teleporting from the start of an instance straight to the boss, using guardian skills with 0 cooldown as an elementalist, dealing 10k damage with every auto-attack, flying, walking up walls and other obvious stuff.

Hackers want you to believe that Anet isn't doing anything. Hackers want you to believe it's the exact same account that they are posting from. And you are taking the bait. They want people to think that Anet doesn't care, in hopes that more people will buy it (because they have claims that if you get banned, you can't sue them for the cost of buying a new account).

If they can get someone to believe they are invinsible, and that person spreads the word, well, you can see what happens. All they want is money.

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@Ellieanna.5027 said:Hackers want you to believe that Anet isn't doing anything. Hackers want you to believe it's the exact same account that they are posting from. And you are taking the bait. They want people to think that Anet doesn't care, in hopes that more people will buy it (because they have claims that if you get banned, you can't sue them for the cost of buying a new account).

They're joking about it because it truly was a joke. ArenaNet's scope on this was very small, essentially only targeting people who googled how to cheat in GW2. They weren't even looking for cheaters, they were looking for specific programs, which is why no one experienced in this would have been caught. The best part is the fact that ArenaNet revealed which tools they were looking for, and with the spyware no longer in the client, they only ended up giving them free advertising. This is either a nightmare for ArenaNet, or this was all a distraction and they're playing the long game.

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@mercury ranique.2170 said:Just a thing to add. My guildleader is online a lot. She is building three guilds and doesn’t count on people helping. She loves farming, but also loves to farm with a lesser attention span. So she plays the game buy letting her minions kill the enemy while she is chatting or doing other things while being behind the keyboard. You can think whatever you want, but arenanet stated that this is allowed. The rule is that you have to be at your keyboard. The other day she was harassed by someone who was really full of her being a hacker and a bad person. A GM approached her in the gold chat and she responded (and proofed she was at the keyboard). So she was not cheating but this person kept harassing her. She is a kind lady and only blocked him.

Bottom line. Identifying bots or hackers might not be as easy as you imagine. Arenanet is doing the best they can and are successful. But some people you think are hacking, might not. And some people who do, escape. It is just not easy

That has happened to me in various games. Always farming and ignoring people who sent ims. Just because we can use a complete circle over and over to farm doesn't mean people are bots. If someone doesn't answer you doesn't make a person a bot. That is one thing I could never understand is why people are more inclined to make noise when my farming doesn't interfere with their gaming. I find just playing my game is better than worrying about everything other people are doing.

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You all have given me a ton of stuff to consider. Seems you are darned if you find and stop people from being complete dorks and wrecking things for the majority of folks that just want to game, and game honestly. And you are darned if you don't chase and chastise to the best of your ability. I appreciate all the comments. Just needed to understand why jerks wreck things and boast. I for one would like to getting into a battle of wits with one of them, but i see that they are unarmed.cheers

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Chris Cleary did an interview a while back and he explained why ANet allows the client to determine so many things, rather than the server: it's to allow the game to have a fast response time. For example, we convinced ANet to change the game so that the client determines when to start/stop gliding — that's a good thing for anyone with over 150+ ping, because it allows them to prevent death due to falling. But that also means that a hacker who figures it out can fake the client out into believing you are gliding, when you are just making a tricky jump.

Games that don't need quick response times, like EVE, can do all the checking server-side. Games like WoW and GW2 can't really. That makes it very challenging to detect cheating while it's going on (which explains why ANet was going after people who were simply running programs that allow cheating, rather than looking closely to see what those people did in game).

Just needed to understand why jerks wreck things and boast.Because they can :(Some people enjoy building stuff up; some like tearing it down.

I for one would like to getting into a battle of wits with one of them, but i see that they are unarmed.Well, that or they are three-armed, due to use of a hack ;)

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