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I've just come from a match, I was called out as OP and the other player said he "can't wait for the Mesmer nerf" after winning an extended 1v1. He won the fight, then called me OP.

The funny part is that I was playing a core PU Mesmer. This is one more illustration that a lot of the nerf calls are simply reflex.

For the 5+ years I've played GW2 there has been an ongoing trend of reducing Mesmer power and giving away our skills ..It's to the point that Mesmer literally cannot do a single thing that isn't at least partly replicated by another class. Even shattering is matched by exploding turrets.

The specialization of Mesmer is to have no specialization at all.

Mesmer went years, acknowledged as "trash tier." It's time to find a new target.

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@"Ithilwen.1529" said:Mesmer went years, acknowledged as "trash tier." It's time to find a new target.

Bro what are you talking about? All of pre HOT mes was in a good spot.

All of HOT mes was either the best class or tied with the best class. In season 1 and season 2 the highest rank on leaderboard was a mes by such an extreme margin, nothing since has been seen as so comparatively better than everything else. Mes was more OP than rev by a large margin, yet rev saw nerfs as big as -75% to skills and functionality nerfs, and actually mes got buffed in the long run (mirage).

In season 8 when POF dropped mes was in one of its worst positions comparatively speaking because POF specs like spell breaker and scourge were so far beyond stupid OP it was obvious the developers did it on purpose. Yet, mes was still extremely OP itself.

Ok so now you are playing one of the worst specs available to mes by a fair margin (core)and it’s obviously playable vs POF specs and HOT since you can even last in a 1v1.

Mes is broken. The amount of things the class can do should in reality warrant it the lowest damage and sustain. In reality the opposite is true.

Relax

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That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.

We also went extended periods with one of our major damage traits, [illusionary Elasticity,] deactivated.

As to my being able to play still.. two things: The reduction of passive traits and years of experience.

Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

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@"Ithilwen.1529" said:Mesmer went years, acknowledged as "trash tier." It's time to find a new target.

Bro what are you talking about? All of pre HOT mes was in a good spot.

All of HOT mes was either the best class or tied with the best class. In season 1 and season 2 the highest rank on leaderboard was a mes by such an extreme margin, nothing since has been seen as so comparatively better than everything else. Mes was more OP than rev by a large margin, yet rev saw nerfs as big as -75% to skills and functionality nerfs, and actually mes got buffed in the long run (mirage).

In season 8 when POF dropped mes was in one of its worst positions comparatively speaking because POF specs like spell breaker and scourge were so far beyond stupid OP it was obvious the developers did it on purpose. Yet, mes was still extremely OP itself.

Ok so now you are playing one of the worst specs available to mes by a fair margin (core)and it’s obviously playable vs POF specs and HOT since you can even last in a 1v1.

Mes is broken. The amount of things the class can do should in reality warrant it the lowest damage and sustain. In reality the opposite is true.

Relax

Honestly, you can say this about all the classes when you think about it. Pull out every skills & utilities & see what you got when compared against each other. Pretty comparable in my book. ..... I'm with the OP's on this.

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@"BurrTheKing.8571" said:Mes has CONSISTENTLY been the cause of major imbalance since HoT. You choosing to run core Mes is on you, it doesn't make the call for nerfs any less valid.

Mesmer has been "the cause of major imbalance?" I'd claim Scourge has that honor.

Yes, Mesmer is more effective of late, with the nerfing of passive defenses. That will smooth as people play better.

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@Ithilwen.1529 said:That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.

We also went extended periods with one of our major damage traits, [illusionary Elasticity,] deactivated.

As to my being able to play still.. two things: The reduction of passive traits and years of experience.

Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

Dude, you just are not good at mes and you are not even playing the most effective specs, honestly.

As another person said, that’s 100% on you.

Factually speaking mes has been top dog or near top dog for every season since season 1.

Season 2 mes was dirty broke.

@Vieux P.1238 said:

@Ithilwen.1529 said:Mesmer went years, acknowledged as "trash tier." It's time to find a new target.

Bro what are you talking about? All of pre HOT mes was in a good spot.

All of HOT mes was either the best class or tied with the best class. In season 1 and season 2 the highest rank on leaderboard was a mes by such an extreme margin, nothing since has been seen as so comparatively better than everything else. Mes was more OP than rev by a large margin, yet rev saw nerfs as big as -75% to skills and functionality nerfs, and actually mes got buffed in the long run (mirage).

In season 8 when POF dropped mes was in one of its worst positions comparatively speaking because POF specs like spell breaker and scourge were so far beyond stupid OP it was obvious the developers did it on purpose. Yet, mes was still extremely OP itself.

Ok so now you are playing one of the worst specs available to mes by a fair margin (core)and it’s obviously playable vs POF specs and HOT since you can even last in a 1v1.

Mes is broken. The amount of things the class can do should in reality warrant it the lowest damage and sustain. In reality the opposite is true.

Relax

Honestly, you can say this about all the classes when you think about it. Pull out every skills & utilities & see what you got when compared against each other. Pretty comparable in my book. ..... I'm with the OP's on this.

No you can’t say that about all classes.

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@Ithilwen.1529 said:

@"BurrTheKing.8571" said:Mes has CONSISTENTLY been the cause of major imbalance since HoT. You choosing to run core Mes is on you, it doesn't make the call for nerfs any less valid.

Mesmer has been "the cause of major imbalance?" I'd claim Scourge has that honor.

Yes, Mesmer is more effective of late, with the nerfing of passive defenses.
That will smooth as people play better.
At least someone gets it.

And JayAction.9056, : Yes you can!

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@"Ithilwen.1529" said:I've just come from a match, I was called out as OP and the other player said he "can't wait for the Mesmer nerf" after winning an extended 1v1. He won the fight, then called me OP.

It’s unfortunate that people that can’t acknowledge a good fight and be respectful. What are we playing this mode for if not good competition?

But back to the Mesmer issue you raise— I think people just reallly dislike playing against the class. Even when you win it just isn’t enjoyable.

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@"Ithilwen.1529" said:I've just come from a match, I was called out as OP and the other player said he "can't wait for the Mesmer nerf" after winning an extended 1v1. He won the fight, then called me OP.

The funny part is that I was playing a core PU Mesmer. This is one more illustration that a lot of the nerf calls are simply reflex.

For the 5+ years I've played GW2 there has been an ongoing trend of reducing Mesmer power and giving away our skills ..It's to the point that Mesmer literally cannot do a single thing that isn't at least partly replicated by another class. Even shattering is matched by exploding turrets.

The specialization of Mesmer is to have no specialization at all.

Mesmer went years, acknowledged as "trash tier." It's time to find a new target.

By trash tier you mean portal has always been relevant just like thief shortbow?

Overnerfing is bad but so is understating a class’ s viability.

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@"Ithilwen.1529" said:I've just come from a match, I was called out as OP and the other player said he "can't wait for the Mesmer nerf" after winning an extended 1v1. He won the fight, then called me OP.

The funny part is that I was playing a core PU Mesmer. This is one more illustration that a lot of the nerf calls are simply reflex.

For the 5+ years I've played GW2 there has been an ongoing trend of reducing Mesmer power and giving away our skills ..It's to the point that Mesmer literally cannot do a single thing that isn't at least partly replicated by another class. Even shattering is matched by exploding turrets.

The specialization of Mesmer is to have no specialization at all.

Mesmer went years, acknowledged as "trash tier." It's time to find a new target.

'Mesmer went years, acknowledged as 'trash tier.'Can't rewrite history. And that ^ is actually not true.

You're comparing engineer exploding turrets to your ability as a mesmer to shatter clones? Like? Really?"that one time I fought an engineer but there were so many turrets I couldn't find him behind all the visual clutter."or"that one time where an engi blew up all his turrets and I died."Oh wait, that's never happened.No one, yourself excluded, will compare a turret to a clone.

Here again, "mesmer literally cannot do a single thing that isn't replicated by another class?"

Let's analyze that word 'replicated' the way you are using it.My ranger has stealth and a mesmer has stealth, does that mean I replicated stealth from a mesmer or he replicated it from Ranger?I have a pet and you have phantasms that operate like a pet, does that mean you 'replicated' my pet?

Maybe you mean that a Mesmers 'Job' or 'function' in a match is replicated. Let's use thief as a prime example. Thief, the perfect, mobile, stealthy +1'er.That was their function and still is to a lesser extent, how many of those things can a mesmer do now and better?A mesmer 'can' travel a longer distance in a shorter period of time than a thief.A mesmer can stealth in many different ways.

Grats on getting called op on a losing 1v1.I'm out

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@Ithilwen.1529 said:That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

2012-2014, Mesmer highly useful in PvP, very high skill cap and balanced when achieving portal potential.

2015-2018, Mesmer dominates PvP, bringing huge skill cap, at times very low skill required(Bunker Chrono), necessary for portal plays, high end Mesmers virtually rock stars of GW2

Nobody is buying your narrative that Mesmer is so victimized by the balance devs...

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You can play core mesmer but that doesnt mean it's the same exact core mesmer as the one pre-HoT considering how there's just been a major phantasm / trait change to mesmer in general.

I don't mean this as in core mesmer is OP though, but certain few traits mesmers (chrono & mirage's) have definitely makes them very OP.

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@Chaith.8256 said:

@Ithilwen.1529 said:That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.
Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

2012-2014, Mesmer highly useful in PvP, very high skill cap and balanced when achieving portal potential.

2015-2018, Mesmer dominates PvP, bringing huge skill cap, at times very low skill required(Bunker Chrono), necessary for portal plays, high end Mesmers virtually rock stars of GW2

Nobody is buying your narrative that Mesmer is so victimized by the balance devs...

This why every NA mesmer changed to thief and mesmer was almost irrelevant in PvP till the big specialisation rework in 2015?

Pre specialisation mesmer was completely made irrelevant by any thief who could find the F1 key and portal is only useful when in a proper team, where in the proper enemy team would have always ran a thief not just because they were against a mesmer. It wasn’t until mesmer no longer had to take a GM trait to get the shatter effect on themselves that things got anywhere close to even. I will agree chrono bunker was toxic to the game and up there with PoF bugged scourges but condi chrono towards the 6 month run up to PoF was definitely not overpowered compared to everything else around.

PoF I dunno if you were still on a break but you and every single person who says mesmer was OP at PoF launch is talking from their rears, it was scourge that dominated everything, literally 4-5 man scourge teams would beat everything pretty much or have we all repressed those dark times?

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@Chaith.8256 said:

@"Ithilwen.1529" said:That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.
Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

2012-2014, Mesmer highly useful in PvP, very high skill cap and balanced when achieving portal potential.

2015-2018, Mesmer dominates PvP, bringing huge skill cap, at times very low skill required(Bunker Chrono), necessary for portal plays, high end Mesmers virtually rock stars of GW2

Nobody is buying your narrative that Mesmer is so victimized by the balance devs...

I would contend that your perspective is biased. That was at the very top end of the PAID players. The reality is that, with exceptions like SupCutie and the other guy.. whose name I honestly don't remember as I type... the "world champion," Mesmers were a virtually free kill to thieves and rangers for years.

As Hambow ruled all it surveyed and condi warrior with corruption stacks had a guaranteed kill in WvW, Mesmer struggled with nerf after nerf. Then there was petting zoo ranger and pre - revealed mechanic thief. (Which was a virtually guaranteed quick death. )

Yes, Mesmers have seen multiple extended periods of being sub par for the average player.

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@Chaith.8256 said:

@Ithilwen.1529 said:That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.
Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

2012-2014, Mesmer highly useful in PvP, very high skill cap and balanced when achieving portal potential.

2015-2018, Mesmer dominates PvP, bringing huge skill cap, at times very low skill required(Bunker Chrono), necessary for portal plays, high end Mesmers virtually rock stars of GW2

Nobody is buying your narrative that Mesmer is so victimized by the balance devs...

Wasn't Bunker Chrono eliminated from play after 1 season it came out because it was broken? It's not like it lasted 2 or 3 seasons. I really don't see the problem. It got removed quick!

During organised competitions by Anet, most Teams would have only 1 mesmer on there side as a +1. Not because they overwhelmed everyone. Most classes did a better job at that. It was because so they could have access to portal. No one even bothers to target mesmers first cuz they all focusing the necro.

To say that mesmer Dominated & required low skill between 2015-2018 is not only untrue but massively exaggerated. There was periods where the mesmer class did very well in pvp. But every time suffered from the nerfed hatchet. & even trait line fully changed cuz devs din't take things into account or players complaint.

Mesmer is the only class i've seen that got multiples nerfs in between patches cuz does complaints. I din't agree with all of the nerfs, but others yes. No other class can say the same despite some of there ridiculous broken features. Remember how Engy turrets was? How long that lasted? I can comfortably say pretty long.

Everything a mesmer does no matter what, requires a combination of key strokes to do damage. Unlike most classes that can win quick just by hitting the AA or 1 key.Mesmer cant claim that besides for the last 5 years always took skill's to play it..

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@Ithilwen.1529 said:

@Ithilwen.1529 said:That's factually incorrect. After the large glamour nerf, Mesmer did not have a single build that was not sub par for well over a year.
Mesmer really doesn't need another extended period of being sub par.

2012-2014, Mesmer highly useful in PvP, very high skill cap and balanced when achieving portal potential.

2015-2018, Mesmer dominates PvP, bringing huge skill cap, at times very low skill required(Bunker Chrono), necessary for portal plays, high end Mesmers virtually rock stars of GW2

Nobody is buying your narrative that Mesmer is so victimized by the balance devs...

I would contend that your perspective is biased.
That was at the very top end of the PAID players. The reality is that, with exceptions like SupCutie and the other guy.. whose name I honestly don't remember as I type... the "world champion,"
Mesmers were a virtually free kill to thieves and rangers for years.

As Hambow ruled all it surveyed and condi warrior with corruption stacks had a guaranteed kill in WvW, Mesmer struggled with nerf after nerf. Then there was petting zoo ranger and pre - revealed mechanic thief. (Which was a virtually guaranteed quick death. )

Yes, Mesmers have seen multiple extended periods of being sub par for the average player.

What garbage wvw tier are you talking about? Mesmer has always been one of the best roaming classes.

I doubt anyone is going to argue about hambow being bs or about scourges ruining a lot of POF but c’mon...

Not to make it personal but you have been saying ridiculous things about the class for years with a heavy bias. :/

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Core mesmer pre HoT had quite a few buffs actually,especially the one you are speaking of.Condie mesmer packed with PU.PU was buffed,scepter had condie buffs "torment on aa+longer confu on 3 and 5torment on block",MAIM was introduced,perplexity runes,IP made baseline and many other traits buffed thanks to trait merge.The only nerf i can recall was mostly to passive PU mesmer in WvW with bleeds on clone death and after HoT MAIM reduced to 1 torment per clone shatter from 2.The biggest reason why pu condie mesmer wasnt a thing in PvP were circles not being contested while in stealth and AOE condie cleanses by almost every class.The reason why power shatter wasnt so popular was thief,thou i found fighting a thief on power shatter mesmer to be a very interesting fight,and quite doable especially with that blind on shatter and IP baseline..... .So overall you are wrong about mesmers nerfs,apart of glamour nerf,which was like few months after launch and i didnt met a single one glamour mesmer in PvP at that time anyway.... .Mesmers,even core ones have recieved numerous buffs.Just look at traits today,look at phantasms,utilities.Almost all were buffed or changed for better gameplay and performance.

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@"Ithilwen.1529" said:I've just come from a match, I was called out as OP and the other player said he "can't wait for the Mesmer nerf" after winning an extended 1v1. He won the fight, then called me OP.

Forum is not a place to comfort your trauma after lost duel nor being called OP. If you waste time on things like this while playing PvP your bound to be miserable

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