Ritualists & Dervish for DEV's

[Dr Doggs.4059]

Guildwars 1 was full of many surprises when the Factions and Nightfall expansion were released. Both were released with 2 new classes.Factions : Ritualist's and Assasin'sNightfall : Dervish and ParagonAll popular classes but none really integrated into Guildwars 2.

In recent events a new package in the Gem store which changes the appearance of your Outfit as the Primeval Dervish Outfit and the Suntouched Scythe Skin. Due to the current game settings 3 of the classes above will not work in Guildwars 2 based on the way that it is set up now with no intent of ever releasing the 3 classes fans were most intent on playing. In the prior game of Guildwars 1 these 3 classes that have not been integrated into Guildwars 2 as a result in too many similarities between Class Specialization and Classes themselves. Could we expect a release of these character's in the future expansions of Guildwars 2 or deem them dead classes.

My interpretation of what to expect is that these classes are not deemed dead but are being worked into the game as a new elite specialization in years to come.

Given the current path of the Necromancer the ability to conjure the dead to attack and follow with you. We can expect if there is ever going to be a release of the Ritualist it will be an elite specialization for the Necromancer. The Ritualists ability to conjure dead spirits with low regard for holding back seems like a specialization that could be released for the Necromancer in future builds. But can this be expected we can only wish.

Onto the Dervish, Given the current game settings in Guildwars 2 the Dervish class would never be released due to its extreme similarities to the Guardian, A character eligible to tank and suppress enemy fire. But how could this be integrated how could they ever bring back the Dervish. With my thoughts it would be a new Warrior Elite Specialization. The warrior is a prime candidate for the Dervish Class a heavy armor character full of tank but low regard for heal. And how is it a prime candidate for the Dervish Subclass you ask? THE WARRIOR has not had the staff class released to him with any of his elite specializations. We will not see a new weapon type in the game because its too costly and too time consuming to create a scythe weapon drop throughout the game. But with the staff we can change its appearances and maybe a new legendary staff that's a super sweet and sick scythe from within one of the living worlds. Could this happen i sure hope it does.

Finally the Paragon, Atlass i am out of ideas for the Paragon and how it could be integrated into Guildwars 2. The only way i could ever see the Paragon being released would be towards a ranger and instead of any weapon type people would want it would be a shield for the ranger. Given this was one of the least played classes and to me was one of the hardest to ever understand. Truth for Thought. How do you throw a spear at an enemy and expect it to automatically regenerate for re use. Am i carrying a backpack full of spears No.... But given the current ranger's ability for long range attack the Paragon would be the ability to use a shield on the Ranger With its audience being the ability to buff surrounding allys in raids. Yes we all have a cronotank but this would need to be further looked into as an additional outlook to making the paragon class come back.

Could we ever expect these classes to return. I sure hope so and would take time and development and money. But Guildwars 2 isn't going anywhere anytime soon so with future development all we can do is hope these arrive with full satisfaction.

Thank you everyone who took the time to read my rant and ideas. I'm just a fellow GW2 Player looking to rant and discuss.

Post your ideas thoughts on how they could be integrated or even if you believe they could be used with other classes.

[Kain Francois.4328]

I'm not as concerned about mechanics as I am about lore.

I wish the devs would just acknowledge already that the Revenant is descended from Ritualist in some way.

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

Well, i did try to create something with the feel of those classes missed from GW1.It wasn't very popular, though. Maybe because lots of people are adamant against new classes. Also, i am not very keep on working unique missing classes into current classes, except maybe as elites.

[InsaneQR.7412]

Dervish elite spec for rev would be sweet too.They could give warrior a staff to be a melee fighter ofc.But a rev with GS and Legendary Avatar Forms would be fantastic. So you could get an avatar of Shiro, Ventari, Jalis etc.With razza as a legend tgis could be a fantastic E-Spec and one i would definetly play.

[Samnang.1879]

i hate fighting dervish aka amalia

[Lily.1935]

Necromancer with elite specializations Ritualist is what I've wanted since HoT. Necromancer mechanically and lore wise is just a perfect fit. You could do everything. Protective spirits, healer, minion bomber, weapon enchanter, spirit spammer. The necromancer just lends itself so well to those styles it would be a waste not to do it.

[draxynnic.3719]

They've actually been already doing this... somewhat... at least in terms of mechanics.

For dervish, reaper is pretty unsubtly a Grenth dervish pasted onto the necromancer. Glint's aspects are pretty much exactly how I imagined that the dervish's theme of converting enchantments into attacks could be transferred into GW2 mechanics, and some of the other core revenant stuff feels like it's at least a little bit dervish-like, although the revenant doesn't really have a weapon that feels dervish-y. Holosmith could also be seen as covering the theme of powering up and then unloading, but... that's a stretch.

Ritualist, ironically, seems to have inspired the other elite specialisations of necro and rev. Scorchrazor's warband summons are really pretty unsubtle. Scourge hides its origins a bit better, but the sand shade mechanic is really a more 'active' kind of spirit: instead of passively providing whatever it does, the necromancer activates skills that manifest on the shade. Core elements of the engineer and ranger are also ritualist-like (ranger spirits behave more like ritualist spirits than GW1 ranger spirits).

For assassins and paragons... ArenaNet do seem to be hunkering down behind the idea that thieves and guardians are their respective successors. While there are elements of the assassin and paragon in other professions, both the core guardian and each of its two elite specialisations have had paragon-like elements, and the same can be said for thief and assassin.

[Bunny.9834]

The Ritualist was my favorite prof in GW2 when it came out. It was such a unique class lore wise, gameplay wise especially during GvG. (Remember Pain Spam and Ritual Lord with Union and Shleter?)

I think though for GW2, the current classes are already infused with ideas and game mechanics that came from those prof. Assassin = thief, Paragon and Monk = Guardian, Ritualist = Renegade. The Dervish playstyle wise is split into Reaper and Herald with Scythe and Boon Heavy play.

Having said that, there’s a chance we might see something that resembles these prof with the third expansion. After all, we might be going to Cantha... home of the ritualist.

[Ephemiel.5694]

Been looking at a lot of GW1 info and i'm shocked that some of these classes have not been added AT LEAST as full elite specs yet.

[Nath Forge Tempete.1645]

Don't forget dervish was a leather class in GW nightfall... so having dervish on warrior or guard seems not working to me ... but every medium class we currently have wouldn't fit to dervish ... so ... the only way to make dervish work ingw2 would be a brand new class (my opinion only)

Parangon => (easy) guard

but yeah necro as a ritualist would be nice

[migcun.5240]

I don't support the idea of this professions/classes Beeing added in the game as a new elite.Based on the lore and on the old GW I want this to be added as thier own, like revenant, don't forget monk.It would be nice to add new classes and fix the existing ones instead of giving them something new and nerfing what they have about fun on themselves.

[Hyper Cutter.9376]

The revenant, for all intents and purposes, is a race-neutral version of the dervish. Also the guardian has always been half-paragon half-monk.

(also, in a lot of respects, the engineer is basically a high-tech ritualist).

[starlinvf.1358]

@"Nath Forge Tempete.1645" said:Don't forget dervish was a leather class in GW nightfall... so having dervish on warrior or guard seems not working to me ... but every medium class we currently have wouldn't fit to dervish ... so ... the only way to make dervish work ingw2 would be a brand new class (my opinion only)

Parangon => (easy) guard

but yeah necro as a ritualist would be nice

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Perfect

Trying to draw a comparison to "Dervishes wear leather" to "GW2 Med armors" is a little disingenuous. Technically Dervishes wear robes, which is cloth, so that makes them Light armor by that logic. And Paragons wearing heavy armor, but hardly wear any of it.... so is it really heavy armor? It also creates a problem of "too many light armor classes" "affecting balance".

Theres much better ways to go about it, since the difference between the game are pretty substantial since GW2 needs to standardize a lot of its equipment, while GW1 was mostly bespoke.

[Nath Forge Tempete.1645]

@starlinvf.1358 said:

@"Nath Forge Tempete.1645" said:Don't forget dervish was a leather class in GW nightfall... so having dervish on warrior or guard seems not working to me ... but every medium class we currently have wouldn't fit to dervish ... so ... the only way to make dervish work ingw2 would be a brand new class (my opinion only)

Parangon => (easy) guard

but yeah necro as a ritualist would be nice

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Perfect

Trying to draw a comparison to "Dervishes wear leather" to "GW2 Med armors" is a little disingenuous. Technically Dervishes wear robes, which is cloth, so that makes them Light armor by that logic. And Paragons wearing heavy armor, but hardly wear any of it.... so is it really heavy armor? It also creates a problem of "too many light armor classes" "affecting balance".

Theres much better ways to go about it, since the difference between the game are pretty substantial since GW2 needs to standardize a lot of its equipment, while GW1 was mostly bespoke.

What I meant ... dervish has less armor than a warrior but more armor than casters such as elementalist and mesmer