25 may patch added spyware again and EU regulations

[Urejt.5648]

Just in case u missed it Anet added spyware again disguised withing new eu regulations politics acceptance.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

You mean they added spyware "consent" within TOS today or they are gathering our PC data again?

[phokus.8934]

Such a well informed post with backing up this claim too.

[SlippyCheeze.5483]

@Urejt.5648 said:Just in case u missed it Anet added spyware again disguised withing new eu regulations politics acceptance.

ArenaNet will absolutely, without question, have consulted theirs, and any action they take is (in the eyes of their lawyers) within the law. If they have technology in the client to detect software used to cheat, or whatever, then they, and their lawyers, believe it is within their rights.

If you disagree I can only recommend that you find yourself a lawyer, and take the matter to the appropriate court. Nothing else, especially not another round of whining on the forums, is going to materially effect the situation.

[Ayrilana.1396]

Players consented to this in the TOS they just agreed to yesterday.

[Blocki.4931]

Ah yes, the spyware that isn't any. Welcome back on my computer

[FyzE.3472]

Don't care. I don't use 3d party software.

[Crab Fear.1624]

Good. I welcome it back with open arms.

"How have you been, killed any cheaters lately?"

"Soon, you say? Well, please do announce it publicly again. Cheaters' tears have the best salt."

[Rysdude.3824]

Good. I dont think use 3rd party software either.

[Rufo.3716]

I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

[Ayrilana.1396]

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

And your better solution is...?

[PaRaPhReNiA.8763]

@Urejt.5648 said:Just in case u missed it Anet added spyware again disguised withing new eu regulations politics acceptance.

Are u golden yet ?

[sephiroth.4217]

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

Hopefully it only looks at programs linked to GW2 otherwise that's seriously invading my privacy.

[SlippyCheeze.5483]

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

[mortrialus.3062]

@SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

Yeah. Almost all online games do stuff like this. Most Gw2 players whining about it now almost certainly play other games that do it. But it's a big problem in gw2 and just gw2.

[SlippyCheeze.5483]

@mortrialus.3062 said:

@SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

Yeah. Almost all online games do stuff like this. Most Gw2 players whining about it now almost certainly play other games that do it. But it's a big problem in gw2 and just gw2.

I'm just pleased they rolled their own, and didn't force me to literally install kernel-mode drivers to give the anti-cheat software full control over my machine. Because cough Sony cough that plan never goes terribly wrong.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

@FyzE.3472 said:Don't care. I don't use 3d party software.

Antivirus

Discord

Drivers

Notepad

...

Everything that is not part of GW2 client is 3rd party. Even GW2 client uses built in 3rd party solutions which are specified in their READ ME file in game folder :)

[GrubySzymek.1362]

@Ayrilana.1396 said:

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

And your better solution is...?

Security specialists are paid for providing solutions so nobody should give it to Anet for free here.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Rufo.3716 said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

Hopefully it only looks at programs linked to GW2 otherwise that's seriously invading my privacy.

Of course it doesn't.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

@SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

@"Rufo.3716" said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

Kinda tired of reading "everyone does this so it's okay". No, it's not. But gaming industry is already used to exploiting their position for many years now.

[Vayne.8563]

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:

@SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

@"Rufo.3716" said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

Kinda tired of reading "everyone does this so it's okay". No, it's not. But gaming industry is already used to exploiting their position for many years now.

Kinda tired of having to deal with people cheating in games and getting over without actually playing. If you have a better solution, I'd sure like to hear it. I didn't buy a game to play with cheaters. I don't think cheating, exploiting or hacking is okay.

[Chilli.2976]

I don't care if ArenaNet has spyware as long as the game is hack free I'm fine with it.

[GrubySzymek.1362]

@Vayne.8563 said:

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:

@SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

@"Rufo.3716" said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

Kinda tired of reading "everyone does this so it's okay". No, it's not. But gaming industry is already used to exploiting their position for many years now.

Kinda tired of having to deal with people cheating in games and getting over without actually playing. If you have a better solution, I'd sure like to hear it. I didn't buy a game to play with cheaters. I don't think cheating, exploiting or hacking is okay.

People are paid for offering security solutions, I see no reason to provide them for free for you :)

[ReaverKane.7598]

@"Kheldorn.5123" said:

@SlippyCheeze.5483 said:

@"Rufo.3716" said:I'm all for getting rid of cheaters but installing software to look at what programs are running on said computer isn't the way of doing it.

That is one of the many ways commercial solutions used by other games do that. Blizzard do that. Riot do that. The various popular shooters do that. Most random MMOs do it. In fact, since it is one of the simpler ways to detect people cheating, and works to catch many people.

It is also not, y'know, mandatory that it be the exclusive way this happens. ANet can use this, and they can apply other methods such as detecting impossible movement, simultaneously!

(Not that we have anything even remotely resembling proof that this has actually been done, of course. OP too busy to demonstrate anything like that...)

Kinda tired of reading "everyone does this so it's okay". No, it's not. But gaming industry is already used to exploiting their position for many years now.

Unninstal the game if you're uncomfortable with it.Btw. if you're using Chrome, Google is gathering as much if not more data than Arena Net, if you have a smartphone, boy... I'm sure you don't have a facebook, twitter or any other social media account and post nothing on it.Anti-cheat software is the most efficient and effective way to deal with hackers and cheats. And it's probably the only one that can do live, automated tracking. All other "security experts" solutions will probably be some sort of "spyware" as you call it.If you play ANY online game you'll have that running on your computer.To be honest i'd much rather have a proprietary anti-cheat (which is what Arena Net is apparently running) than other anti-cheat programs that will invariably try to run 24/7 on your computer.

[Dayra.7405]

Whatever it watches, as long as it only returns to ANet: cheat-software-in-use or no-cheat-software-in-use it isn't spyware.