why does scrapper not exist

[bara yaoi.3824]

im not talking about pvp or wvw thats not the real game thats just fluff

im talking about pve

why does scrapper not exist in pve

literally could not have existed at all and would make no difference whatsoever in the current game

might as well just replace it with another spec like holosmith

[Frostmane.9734]

Cuz its not gud

[Vagrant.7206]

@"bara yaoi.3824" said:im not talking about pvp or wvw thats not the real game thats just fluff

im talking about pve

why does scrapper not exist in pve

literally could not have existed at all and would make no difference whatsoever in the current game

might as well just replace it with another spec like holosmith

Because it barely serves any unique purpose? Its DPS is garbage... its support can be done better (and more easily) by other classes, and its tanking is done better by chrono. Plus its "unique mechanic" is mostly only useful in PvP.

[bara yaoi.3824]

@Vagrant.7206 said:

@"bara yaoi.3824" said:im not talking about pvp or wvw thats not the real game thats just fluff

im talking about pve

why does scrapper not exist in pve

literally could not have existed at all and would make no difference whatsoever in the current game

might as well just replace it with another spec like holosmith

Because it barely serves any unique purpose? Its DPS is garbage... its support can be done better (and more easily) by other classes, and its tanking is done better by chrono. Plus its "unique mechanic" is mostly only useful in PvP.

can it be reworked

[Vagrant.7206]

@bara yaoi.3824 said:

@Vagrant.7206 said:

@bara yaoi.3824 said:im not talking about pvp or wvw thats not the real game thats just fluff

im talking about pve

why does scrapper not exist in pve

literally could not have existed at all and would make no difference whatsoever in the current game

might as well just replace it with another spec like holosmith

Because it barely serves any unique purpose? Its DPS is garbage... its support can be done better (and more easily) by other classes, and its tanking is done better by chrono. Plus its "unique mechanic" is mostly only useful in PvP.

can it be reworked

Well, yes, but anything can.

[ugrakarma.9416]

they can rework it as some kind of group barrier spammer. .. wait, the scourge already do it.

[bara yaoi.3824]

@ugrakarma.9416 said:they can rework it as some kind of group barrier spammer. .. wait, the scourge already do it.

its barrier should come with alracity

[HnRkLnXqZ.1870]

Only because you do not see a scrapper in PVE does not mean we are not there. We are not many, but we do our part. Mastering the function-gyro is not that difficult, in PVE it does make a huge difference. We can resurrect people from far away, while fighting and doing other stuff. We can keep you alive when you steped into a deadly AOE for the 5th time in a row or even manage to get you back from a lava/acid-pit. Sometimes we can use it to resurrect even corpses.

Comparing everything to the Hollowsmith (typo intended) is a little cheap tbh. It is the most basic dps you can find in this game, a lot of things look like they were copy/pasted from the old warrior meta and the berserker. Futuristic lightsaber, solar and heat-mechanics. That is truly something the engineer was always referred to in GW2. I mean a sword for an engineer, really?

What can I say about the scrapper to change your mind? Nothing ^^. The scrapper is no dps class and stays true to the traditional engineer values: a little of everything, but nothing as good as the real thing. It has always been that way. There have always been players arguing that we have to be superior in something. For those, the Hollow was added imho ^^.

[Peutrifectus.4830]

@HnRkLnXqZ.1870 said:Only because you do not see a scrapper in PVE does not mean we are not there. We are not many, but we do our part. Mastering the function-gyro is not that difficult, in PVE it does make a huge difference. We can resurrect people from far away, while fighting and doing other stuff. We can keep you alive when you steped into a deadly AOE for the 5th time in a row or even manage to get you back from a lava/acid-pit. Sometimes we can use it to resurrect even corpses.

Comparing everything to the Hollowsmith (typo intended) is a little cheap tbh. It is the most basic dps you can find in this game, a lot of things look like they were copy/pasted from the old warrior meta and the berserker. Futuristic lightsaber, solar and heat-mechanics. That is truly something the engineer was always referred to in GW2. I mean a sword for an engineer, really?

What can I say about the scrapper to change your mind? Nothing ^^. The scrapper is no dps class and stays true to the traditional engineer values: a little of everything, but nothing as good as the real thing. It has always been that way. There have always been players arguing that we have to be superior in something. For those, the Hollow was added imho ^^.

Hollowsmith is a new one for me. I prefer Holoderp personally ;)

It is pretty basic dmg compared to the kits swapping nature that most engis are used to.

I have used scrapper for ages out of personal preference but now I'm in tangled depths, I kinda feel like a need the raw dmg of the derpsmith. Despite not enjoying it as much to play.

[Wolfb.7025]

You dont really need supports on casual PVE play, and my DPS went like 10k less switching from Holosmith memeta to Scrapper. Photon Forge really is a cheap source of massive damage what tf

I'm playing Scrapper right now just for sport until I reach PoF, but truth is I wouldn't use it on Fractlas T3 and up because the lack of damage is kinda alarming.

[Tehologist.5841]

Scrapper traits and weapon is good for damage mitigation. Does nothing for core condi build, nor can it share boons for support. It is fine for open world pve and meta events. I love the survivability, I just don't expect to be able to play it in high level fractals or raids. I do play my scrapper a lot in pvp, it is very fun in unranked. You can keep up stability, quickness, 25 stacks of might and fury easily. The stuns from stealth are great for setting up damage and the damage mitigation from bulwark gyro is nice.

[Tehologist.5841]

Thinking about it a bit more, I think fundamentally the issue is that scrapper is purely a power build. Core engineer benefits from condi and power, so get more benefit from might. Holosmith continues this with bleeds and burning on many of the skills.

[Vagrant.7206]

@Tehologist.5841 said:Thinking about it a bit more, I think fundamentally the issue is that scrapper is purely a power build. Core engineer benefits from condi and power, so get more benefit from might. Holosmith continues this with bleeds and burning on many of the skills.

The damage scrapper can do, holosmith does better.The CC scrapper can do, holosmith does better.Even tanking, holosmith can be just as effective (or moreso) as scrapper.

[HnRkLnXqZ.1870]

I use the scrapper always in different combinations. For T3 and T4 fractals I mostly fall back to my condition-build, which still includes the scrapper-line. Luckyly I am in a guild that allows its members to play as they want and enjoy the game. If I would join a pug run, I might be kicked the instant they see the scrapper-icon ^^.

[Blood Red Arachnid.2493]

The Scrapper does have long duration stealth, projectile destruction, and better self-buffing capabilities. In certain fractals, with certain groups, and if I'm commanding in PVE, I've found self-reliance and defensive abilities of the Scrapper to be superior to the suicidal damage of the Holosmith.

[JackassTheX.6351]

I've done T4 fracs with Scrappers before and it was pretty awesome. Good healing, decent support. Sneak Gyro is invaluable too.

I do play Holo because I like its derpy flashy dpsness (sword and shield on engie is stupid though, I agree). I main staff Weaver and to me Holo is more of the same (pdps) while still being fresh enough to keep me interested. But I'm equally excited to finally suffer through another HP train give Scrapper a try.

Don't want to hijack, but those Scrappers that are out there, what gear do you use?

[Akeno.4962]

Scrapper was designed only with pvp in mind. Then it was too good because of cc-spam, selfbuffing and deffensive capabilities while being to pack a punch. Then it was nerfed much more severely than spellbreaker (who had/has the same problems), so it became a 'dead' spec. There was an attempt to rise it from the dead as a support with changes to alchemy and inventions, but it didn't make it.

In high end pve, scrapper has never existed because it didn't get the spellbreaker treatment. But I like the hammer and some gyros, so sometimes i play it in open world.

[Akeno.4962]

Scrapper was designed only with pvp in mind. It was too good because of cc-spam, selfbuffing and deffensive capabilities while being able to pack a punch. Therefore, it was nerfed much more severely than spellbreaker (who had/has the same problems), so it became a 'dead' spec. There was an attempt to rise it from the dead as a support with changes to alchemy and inventions, but it didn't make it.

In high end pve, scrapper has never existed because it didn't get the spellbreaker treatment. But I like the hammer and some gyros, so sometimes i play it in open world.

[Tehologist.5841]

@JackassTheX.6351 said:I've done T4 fracs with Scrappers before and it was pretty awesome. Good healing, decent support. Sneak Gyro is invaluable too.

I do play Holo because I like its kitten flashy dpsness (sword and shield on engie is stupid though, I agree). I main staff Weaver and to me Holo is more of the same (pdps) while still being fresh enough to keep me interested. But I'm equally excited to finally suffer through another HP train give Scrapper a try.

Don't want to hijack, but those Scrappers that are out there, what gear do you use?

I use knights armor with superior runes of strength, mix or zerker and soldiers accessories. My hammer is minstrel currently, with benevolence and healing sigils. (I am trying to get two sets, a power marauder set and minstrel set) I run a quickness critical strike build for open world. I run clerics armor in wvw with water runes.

[Kumouta.4985]

its like a second necro

[Lunateric.3708]

@Akeno.4962 said:Scrapper was designed only with pvp in mind. It was too good because of cc-spam, selfbuffing and deffensive capabilities while being able to pack a punch. Therefore, it was nerfed much more severely than spellbreaker (who had/has the same problems), so it became a 'dead' spec. There was an attempt to rise it from the dead as a support with changes to alchemy and inventions, but it didn't make it.

In high end pve, scrapper has never existed because it didn't get the spellbreaker treatment. But I like the hammer and some gyros, so sometimes i play it in open world.

Most accurate comment I read here so far, thanks for posting

[archmagus.7249]

A scrapper is something that haunts every thief/deadeye and ranger. They rely on ranged burst which is either absorbed or reflected by a scrapper.

[Chaith.8256]

@archmagus.7249 said:A scrapper is something that haunts every thief/deadeye and ranger. They rely on ranged burst which is either absorbed or reflected by a scrapper.

Until deadeye and Soulbeast start throwing around unblockable nukes

[Akeno.4962]

@Lunateric.3708 said:

@Akeno.4962 said:Scrapper was designed only with pvp in mind. It was too good because of cc-spam, selfbuffing and deffensive capabilities while being able to pack a punch. Therefore, it was nerfed much more severely than spellbreaker (who had/has the same problems), so it became a 'dead' spec. There was an attempt to rise it from the dead as a support with changes to alchemy and inventions, but it didn't make it.

In high end pve, scrapper has never existed because it didn't get the spellbreaker treatment. But I like the hammer and some gyros, so sometimes i play it in open world.

Most accurate comment I read here so far, thanks for posting

I've been reading about scrapper and complaining for too long, because no spec deserves to be as dead as scrapper is. I guess I learned a thing or two in the process.

[SnowHawk.3615]

it's outdone by everything else - it's basically ele right now. everything does something better than it