tym.3791 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I just could not stop laughing. Group runs into zerg, group starts backing up, running away. You even try to explain to them, you start backing up, the zerg your facing knows your "scared" and they are gonna come at you like a freight train. Its like there afraid there cartoon may die. Its the oddest thing. I just noticed this week facing off against even numbers, or maybe more. The ones that are pushing, and ready to fight, you look behind you to see half the toons running for the hills. Who wants to tag with that mess. Have even seen a few guilds do that. The one guild I have all the respect in the world for is BOO. Even with fewer numbers, that guild will not back down, wont run away, and fight to the bitter end. I love fighting that guild. Oh they stomped on me more than once, and hats off to em. Just cant get over how so many will run away from a fight. You just wanna say, its ok if your toon dies, happens. Wp, get back in the fight. Your gonna win some, gonna loose some, and while running around, your gonna run around a corner, and right into the enemy zerg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Which server are we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Maybe they have read art or war or listen sabaton?I will run – they will hunt me in vainI will hide – they’ll be searchingI’ll regroup – feign retreat they’ll pursue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It's really easy to see when a group is falling apart and even bad groups can take real advantage of that so yeah. I thinkt he main reason is people getting tired of facing stacked servers etc and the mode in general not changing much. Burn out and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riba.3271 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 They have no faith in their commander. This is what happens when you have weak performance against that particular enemy server for long. Most pugs cant even tell difference between bad and good enemy groups.Also theres servers that are so pug reliant that you're leading different players every week so teaching them won't do much because everything you have done will be reset every week :disappointed: Commanders and guilds running away from the fights they can win is a different story though. No point getting 1-pushed when there's something else to do tho, you have no obligation towards enemy server to give them their fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 @"tym.3791" said:I just could not stop laughing. Group runs into zerg, group starts backing up, running away. You even try to explain to them, you start backing up, the zerg your facing knows your "scared" and they are gonna come at you like a freight train. Its like there afraid there cartoon may die. Its the oddest thing. I just noticed this week facing off against even numbers, or maybe more. The ones that are pushing, and ready to fight, you look behind you to see half the toons running for the hills. Who wants to tag with that mess. Have even seen a few guilds do that. The one guild I have all the respect in the world for is BOO. Even with fewer numbers, that guild will not back down, wont run away, and fight to the bitter end. I love fighting that guild. Oh they stomped on me more than once, and hats off to em. Just cant get over how so many will run away from a fight. You just wanna say, its ok if your toon dies, happens. Wp, get back in the fight. Your gonna win some, gonna loose some, and while running around, your gonna run around a corner, and right into the enemy zerg. mmm... just need to keep working on fighting with less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israel.7056 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 It's an instinctual fight or flight human thing that makes its way into games because our brains can't initially tell the difference between a real fight and a video game one without training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 @Voltekka.2375 said:Which server are we talking about? I would like to know also, but that would likely end in a matchup thread like the 'Why does Anet hate XX' thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 if I were a guild leader I would hire dominatrix's to sneak into my guildies houses and whip them if they try to run away.then who would be laughing? I would, that's who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosmaster.8263 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 But muh stacks!!! I keeled a lot of skeeters to get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 A pugmander needs to understand his group and utilize them accordingly. If they are skittish then he needs to utilize them for eating up the enemy tail when they break through walls and gates, not expecting them to push head-on do or die style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkung.9127 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 If they can't maintain moral no1 fight for you and your server or zerg will runnig from fight.If they build moral up to high enough those death is not problem they will come back like a horde of zomgie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage.7145 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 The one guild I have all the respect in the world for is BOO. Even with fewer numbers, that guild will not back down, wont run away, and fight to the bitter end. I love fighting that guild. LOL All that guild does is either Blob with a 50/50 squad mapque or run away, u clearly never fought them with a competent guild on your side right? they die once and they dont come back they just either maphop or never fight u again LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warkind.6745 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I see commanders raging at their pugs to charge in all the time and stop backing up. And every time I see those commanders charging headfirst into the same gigantic blob of orange dots, only to wipe over and over again. No tactics, no thought. Just their self righteous virtual bravery.I don't follow commanders like that,not because my 'cartoon character' is going to die but because my idea of fun in WvW isn't feeding the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Part of the problem is that there's allot less tactics to a fight today than there used to be. Today it's more of who has more AoE's and numbers. Also pugs have always ran from fights, in my experience if you can get ≈5 people to push, more will start jumping in to fight. However as Silverkung said you have to worry about morale, but if you have enough morale they'll keep bum rushing the enemy until they're all dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliburn.1845 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Thanks, for the compliment, but we do sometimes run from bigger groups, or look for better terrain to fight in. Then again, I haven't run a 50/50 squad in at least a year, only had 40 in squad like twice, and above 30 maybe five or six times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 i doubt i'd reach a full squad anytime soon. since i restrict squad members to ts at nsp and sf.on the otherhand, i still tag up. not just open.open tag... well =) it is a job for a better man than i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 People are just used to not having to pull their own weight before.In the past, it was much easier to carry bads because of the lower frequency of easy/hard counters as well as the fact most people were terrible or were just looking for PvE rewards. So even if you sucked, as long as you could press dodge roll you could carry easily. This made it easy to build up morale as there were always easy targets. So one easy source of bags is gone as less people come into WvW to reward hunt, or if they do, only come out as a blob. Because they know they suck from years of experience, they'll no longer engage any enemy players. Meanwhile, mediocre players that have kept up are now superstars because they have bought the new expansions and benefited from the power creep and read some metabattle so they are far more effective then they are before as long as they blob together. However, pug players come in with a smattering of random (mostly useless) builds and may just have vanilla and can't easily adjust as such. They'll log off after 1-2 wipes. So at this point, there's no easy fights to build up morale for a pugmander and it just gets worse because people aren't going to stick it out for a commander they don't know. Or games spoil people way too much these days. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that in the good ol' days, that's when the good players were around. More like, back then, more people didn't know what they were doing and you could get away with more and could get more while now the easy bags aren't as easy anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trajan.4953 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @ArchonWing.9480 said:People are just used to not having to pull their own weight before.In the past, it was much easier to carry bads because of the lower frequency of easy/hard counters as well as the fact most people were terrible or were just looking for PvE rewards. So even if you sucked, as long as you could press dodge roll you could carry easily. This made it easy to build up morale as there were always easy targets. So one easy source of bags is gone as less people come into WvW to reward hunt, or if they do, only come out as a blob. Because they know they suck from years of experience, they'll no longer engage any enemy players. Meanwhile, mediocre players that have kept up are now superstars because they have bought the new expansions and benefited from the power creep and read some metabattle so they are far more effective then they are before as long as they blob together. However, pug players come in with a smattering of random (mostly useless) builds and may just have vanilla and can't easily adjust as such. They'll log off after 1-2 wipes. So at this point, there's no easy fights to build up morale for a pugmander and it just gets worse because people aren't going to stick it out for a commander they don't know. Or games spoil people way too much these days. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that in the good ol' days, that's when the good players were around. More like, back then, more people didn't know what they were doing and you could get away with more and could get more while now the easy bags aren't as easy anymore. pretty much. The Pugs came to play with the Cool Kids. The Cool Kids all left and the Pugs are desperately trying to fill shoes far too massive for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 well as easy wvw is. to some it may be hard. and to those who find it hard must come to terms that they actually need to research and apply to do good in this wvw. the same i can recommend in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egorum.9506 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Warkind.6745 said:I see commanders raging at their pugs to charge in all the time and stop backing up. And every time I see those commanders charging headfirst into the same gigantic blob of orange dots, only to wipe over and over again. No tactics, no thought. Just their self righteous virtual bravery.I don't follow commanders like that,not because my 'cartoon character' is going to die but because my idea of fun in WvW isn't feeding the enemy.This is part of the problem man, you can't win a push if only 3 people out of 20 push. you all have to move together as one unit to win a fight, if you don't push with the tag then yes, you're going to get wiped over and over again. because you'll lose the 3-5 people who do push, then you have no tag and the people who didn't push scatter, then the enemy zerg can take their time farming your friends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 hehe. that so reminds me of me pre closed raid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Stand The Wall.6987 said:if I were a guild leader I would hire dominatrix's to sneak into my guildies houses and whip them if they try to run away.then who would be laughing? I would, that's who.you do realize that some of your guildies would then always be running to get a good whipping? not rly a flawless plan id have to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedShark.9548 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Egorum.9506 said:@Warkind.6745 said:I see commanders raging at their pugs to charge in all the time and stop backing up. And every time I see those commanders charging headfirst into the same gigantic blob of orange dots, only to wipe over and over again. No tactics, no thought. Just their self righteous virtual bravery.I don't follow commanders like that,not because my 'cartoon character' is going to die but because my idea of fun in WvW isn't feeding the enemy.This is part of the problem man, you can't win a push if only 3 people out of 20 push. you all have to move together as one unit to win a fight, if you don't push with the tag then yes, you're going to get wiped over and over again. because you'll lose the 3-5 people who do push, then you have no tag and the people who didn't push scatter, then the enemy zerg can take their time farming your friends up.and the worst thing is, that those who stay behind and survived will think that this was the right thing to do and that the commander is bad, even tho it was the right thing to push if all went with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovereign.1093 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 thru winning small battles or accomplishing small goals, you can earn the players trust.build it block by block. you will get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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