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So chances are you know that PoF is out, and so I've returned.There was also this new forums that came out, which unfortunately didn't migrate some threads. So, I took the liberty of migrating it myself...

And so,Ladies and gentlemen - and everyone else that can't be assumed (being 2017 and all),I bring to you,The one,And only,

Nerf Wish List

The Second Resurrection.

A run down for the uninitiated...Basically, everyone that comes to the thief forum with a request to nerf the thief class, should post here, in the format that's described below. That includes those horizontal bars (so hopefully it's easier for me to reparse at a later date...)

Originally by: Someone.1234 (If you're posting for someone else.)Posted date: January 04, 2014 02:41 (Optional)What: The Nerf Wish List (MUST have a what)Why: It keeps coming back from the dead. (Why or Suggestion is a MUST)Suggestion: Complete all the requests, so that it rests in peace. (Why or Suggestion is a MUST)Thread: https://imgur.com/pAiF9Rk (Optional, where you originally copied it from.)

Sorry if any nerf requests have slipped by the parser, or if there's a bit of discrepancy - I tried.. There were a total of 303 nerf requests... possibly more. Maybe I will do something else that's fun - like a word cloud or something...And so, take it away!

Nerf Wish List:https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first

Nerf Wish List: The First Resurrection:https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list-1/first


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Originally by: Nines.4368Posted date: December 03, 2013 21:27What: Thieves.Why: They are too OP. Why do we even need this class to ruin the whole game for us? Lets just remove the whole class so that all the other ones won’t feel like the underdog.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308766

Originally by: SoLeciTO.3490Posted date: December 03, 2013 21:35What: ThiefWhy: I saw once a stealth thief capturing the 3 zones at same time in SPVP.Anet should not allow that.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308810

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 03, 2013 21:37What: StealthWhy: Stealth op!!111!!!1Just do it.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3308820

Originally by: VIVorcha.7853Posted date: January 04, 2014 02:40What: Hide in ShadowsWhy: You get high healing, DOT removal, regeneration, and stealth. It dominates, and condition builds suffer the most. I’m thinking the healing should be lowered slightly (maybe equal to Shelter) and the condition removal should be limited to removing one DOT condition.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/I-think-it-s-time-to-nerf-Hide-in-Shadows/first#post3308620Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309027

Originally by: Otaur.9268Posted date: January 04, 2014 02:41What: Condition Damage (Chocking gas and caltrops specifically) and StealthWhy: I spammed shortbow poison aoe, caltrops, etc to apply conditions on foes in area and noticed I can pretty much kill both players and monsters without becoming “revealed.” This is getting more and more popular in WvW and it is rather unfair… But this is enough, please make any damage the thieves do in stealth apply revealed. Spamming conditions from stealth should reveal them.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/first#post3225311(Side note: Never mind the Mesmer’s clones…)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309034

Originally by: Mithos.9572Posted date: December 03, 2013 23:35What: Thief’s EyesWhy: They are so piercing.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309432

Originally by: Upham.6137Posted date: December 04, 2013 00:09What: Shadow’s Embrace.Why: Because the tooltip says so.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309595

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 04, 2013 00:15What: Thief’s DaggersWhy: Deals too much damage. A pair of toothpicks would balance the power.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309621

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: December 04, 2013 01:13What: Surprise shot (SB stealth attack)Why: a 900 range skill that immobilizes? Really? Too OP. I’ve caught too many people trying to run away. Stealth and shoot – you don’t even need to waste initiative. Thieves already have it too easy. Drop the range from 900 to 5, make them waste all their initiative if they immobilize a target, and give it a 99.99% of failure, that still drains initiative. That’s more fair.Oh, and if the skill fails, it immobilizes the thief instead, and adds five stacks of bleeding, poison, and torment.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309818

Originally by: Stooperdale.3560Posted date: December 04, 2013 01:54What: StealWhy: A thief steals my axe but I still have my axe as well. It’s nonsense. I should lose my weapon when a thief steals it from me so that I can punch him hard.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3309989

Originally by: Advent.6193Posted date: December 04, 2013 03:54What: P/P weaponset.Why: It kills people, without even using Stealth? That’s crazy-person talk, Thieves are supposed to be sneaky!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3310445

Originally by: Undeadkemea.4865Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:14What: Sword/XWhy: So much mobility with instant cast and curing a condition is just intolerable. I want to be able to land my stuns and that Thieves have NO way of recovering AT ALL! The fact that they actually can get away is just….so daft! Why do Thieves get to cure conditions at all? This should be nerfed into the ground! looks at 10 december notes…..ohhh shiiiiiiiiiiii we’re going to eat your kitten HAAHAHAHA^Sad story QQResurrected from:_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311177

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: DaggerstormWhy: This skill has too much on it, projectile reflect makes them immune against rangers and engineer while totally annihilating them with reflect, and it shouldn’t give stability since thieves can stealth.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Dancing DaggerWhy: This skill is a spammable on demand cripple, and can cripple 4 people, cripple should be removed from this skill.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Thieves GuildWhy: I can’t find the thief when he uses thief guild and they deal high damage and cc.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Basilisk VenomWhy: It’s op to use it with runes of lyssa, thieves shouldn’t remove conditions since they have stealth.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Death BlossomWhy: Remove evade and bleeds from this skill, 3x 10s bleeds are op while evading.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Cloak & DaggerWhy: This skill is spammable and gives stealth, remove stealth from this skill.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Flanking StrikeWhy: Spammable evade and boonsteal, remove evade from this skill.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:33What: Infiltrators ArrowWhy: This skill is 900 range, which is too much because thieves have stealth, a rewarding skill like this should have 500 range and 4 seconds cast time so it can be interrupted.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311216

Originally by: Incurafy.6329Posted date: December 04, 2013 08:57What: ThiefWhy: It exists.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311270

Originally by: Jory.9172Posted date: December 04, 2013 09:36What: Norn Elite Become the JaguarWhy: Thieves are too fast already with their hopping around, nobody ever heard of a jaguar thief.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311357

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: December 04, 2013 11:51What: Stealth attack skillsWhy: Special skills just for the thieves, with each weapon having its own unique stealth attack? All these special skills should be removed, since there’s no easy way to counter them from the thief stealth.(the sad part is that I got the inspiration for this nerf from someone who wanted backstab to be half damage, instead of double damage)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311716

Originally by: Maesk.8753Posted date: December 04, 2013 12:26What: Pistol WhipWhy: You can still kill things with it.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3311814

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 04, 2013 18:24What: Initiatives — too muchWhy: Initiatives allows a Thief to spam skills while other professions has to wait for cool downs. Initiatives should be a maximum of 8 initiatives and 9 max when traited. Whenever the Thief use an initiative skill, they get stun for 2s which will effectively stop the spamming and help them to conserve initiatives for other skills. We just care so much for the profession that we don’t want them to be a bad boy that needs spanking.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3313826

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 04, 2013 18:35What: UnloadWhy: ANET devs love to spam this skillResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3313897

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: December 04, 2013 22:38What: Backstab and HeartSeakerWhy: With the upcoming ascended gear, these skills will hit HARDER, they will do over 9000! Please nerf them in the Dec. 10 patch when you release ascended, there WILL be QQ’ing if you don’t.https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Merged-and-now-ascended-gear-hits-Dec-10/page/5#post3315217Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3315522

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: December 04, 2013 23:03What: Abyss DyeWhy: Too many thieves use it, making it more expensive in the market. Please patch the game so that all thieves cannot use Abyss Dye.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3315669

Originally by: RyuDragnier.9476Posted date: December 04, 2013 23:05What: StealthWhy: Because outside of several counters to entering stealth (Ranger’s Sic ‘Em, pulling or knocking a thief out of Shadow Refuge while it’s going on), there is no actual counter to stealth while inside it. Give a counter such as blocking stealth = reveal to fix this.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3315680

Originally by: Cynz.9437Posted date: December 05, 2013 02:41What: d/dWhy: can actually kill mesmer…o.oResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3316604

Originally by: Arganthium.5638Posted date: December 05, 2013 05:51What: Thieves’ legsWhy: Sometimes they don’t instantly die and they actually start trying to runResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3317243

Originally by: brentend.7058Posted date: December 05, 2013 06:14What: Heartseeker, Back Fighting, “Moral High Ground”, and “good thinking”Why:

Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3317305

Originally by: RedSpectrum.1975Posted date: December 05, 2013 06:34What: Human Cultural Tier 3 ArmorWhy: Basically every thief wears it, and every thief does 30k dmg backstabs and sword slices as well as stealths and teleports, COINCIDENCE?!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3317355

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: Initiative regenWhy: This way when thieves just spam on you they have to consider that spamming skills like headshot will be worse than waiting for a visual animation to interrupt something.Suggestion: My idea is to reduce initiative regen by 20%.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: WithdrawSuggestion: My back up ideas are to give withdraw kitten longer cd.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: Shortbow teleportSuggestion: In addition make shortbow teleport cost 1 more ini.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: HeadshotSuggestion: Also make headshot cost 2 more init.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: StealWhy: With these changes thief will still be op but might not be totally broken.Suggestion: Steal should also be able to be los ed.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: Stolen Necro skillSuggestion: Also thief steal from necro should be half the fear durationResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: March 22, 2015 16:27What: Stolen Mesmer skillSuggestion: a thief should not get aegis, stab or prot off mesmer steal.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Exciting-idea-to-nerf-thiefResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4907512

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: shadow refugeWhy: An AOE ability to stealth and heal the thief and his allies for many seconds is pretty strong and overkill.Suggestion: I suggest making it a bit more challenging by disallowing dodges/evades while in the refuge. No dodging or evading allowed if the thief or his allies are standing in the refuge. This allows enemies to land a successful attempt to draw them out of the refuge.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: shadow stepWhy: instant cast and such a long range with stun break and condi cleanse makes this kind of cheesy.Suggestion: I suggest either reducing the range to 600 so that enemies will generally still be able to react, or remove the condi cleanse on return part.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: hide in shadowsWhy: a skill that heals and allows the thief to go invis and cures burning poison and bleeding on top of the healing makes things too easy for a thief.Suggestion: I suggest increasing the casting duration to 1.5 secondsResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: WithdrawWhy: another no brainer healing skill that gives evade and mobility which should be made harder to use.Suggestion: I suggest including a casting duration of 1 sec instead of letting it be instant.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: Infiltrator strikeWhy: Such a high mobility skill should not be allowed to cure one condition upon return as well at such low initiative costs.Suggestion: I suggest increasing the initiative costs by 1 for initial cast and return cast as well.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: Black powderWhy: A skill that allows a thief to combo and stealth off is already very devastating. Add a blind to it and that is like what???Suggestion: I suggest removing the blind or not allowing the stealth. Either way works.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: Pistol WhipWhy: Even though the range is small, but seriously, stun and evade in one skill at 5 initiatives?Suggestion: I suggest making it 6. or even 7 initiative cost. and that would only make it just nice.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:15What: Shadow’s EmbraceWhy: For an adept trait, removing 1 to 2 condis every time you stealth is way overkill.Suggestion: I suggest changing it to regeneration instead upon entering stealth. Gives the thief some nice extra healing while he is invis.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Suggestions-for-reworking-thief/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920330

Originally by: Silhouette.5631Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:22What: Perma Retaliation on GuardiansWhy: I would like to face a thief who occasionally tries to use a pistol against me ^.^More seriousResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920339

Originally by: Silhouette.5631Posted date: March 26, 2015 12:22What: Sigil of FireWhy: It gives away a thieves position if I hit them with it while they are stealthed. I’m not sure if this was meant to be but does kinda give me abit of an edge fighting them that I don’t needResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4920339

Originally by: GoogleBrandon.5073Posted date: March 29, 2015 11:28What: HeartseekerWhy: “This is ridiculous. They die easily but if they catch you off guard you are done for.”Suggestion: "As a thief main, i want heartseeker nerf. Make it require more initiative. "Taken from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Most-hated-builds/first#post4928488No clue this was 2012 againNo need to thank meResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4928518

Originally by: Highlie.7641Posted date: March 30, 2015 20:51What: Daggerstorm (round 3)Why: This ability will grant immune to taunt, Thieves are already god tier and get stealthzors for protection. please nerf before adding to game k thanks bye.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4932386

Originally by: Boysenberry.1869Posted date: May 03, 2015 05:58What: StealthWhy: QQ (his post was too long, and it was late at night, couldn’t summarize it)Suggestion: 1. Increase the stealth trap duration to at least 1 minute. Make it really worthwhile.

  1. Stealth skills need longer cooldowns or a higher cost. Anything so that you can’t spend the entire “fight” stealthed.
  2. Re-tool the contest mechanic to take away all joy from a perma-stealth. Pew pewing a door causes all nearby npcs to point and laugh instead.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Perma-Stealth-is-Legalized-Griefing/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5028797

Originally by: DarkSyze.8627Posted date: May 05, 2015 03:22What: Shadow Arts and TrickeryWhy: I will introduce thief profession 2 most problematic traits that are responsible for making this profession not challenging and fun: – Shadow Arts and Trickery.Shadow Arts is too powerful: it is reason for stealth abuse and give thief profession too much reward for just stealthing instead of taking risk.Trickery is too powerful: it is reason for the very high damage include stealing for instant kill. It give thief profession too much access to death/instant kill instead of hard work. Also not forget: Boon stripping is very powerful so i adjust it to every 60 seconds.I will give my suggestion of change to those 2 most problematic traits in thief profession.Last- I felt the ones that do not require change was challenging and important to make thief more support to their allies. The traits that are no longer- will be replaced with challenge skills that do not give thief too much advantage)Suggestion: Adept: Last Refuge – Use Blinding Powder when your health reaches a certain threshold.(Last Refuge- Blinding Powder duration: 1 second)Master: Meld with Shadows- Stealth skills last longer.(Meld with Shadows- Stealth skills no longer last longer)Grandmaster: Hidden Assassin- Gain might when you gain stealth.(Hidden Assasin- This trait no longer grant might when you gain stealth)Adept: Slowed Pulse- Grant regeneration if you have two or more stacks of bleeding.(Slowed Pulse- Grant no longer grant regeneration if you have two or more stacks of bleeding. It is now restrict to two stacks of bleeding)Adept: Shadow’s Embrace- Remove conditions periodically while in stealth.(Shadow’s Embrace- no longer remove conditions periodically while in stealth)Adept: Infusion of Shadow – Gain initiative when you enter stealth.(Infusion of Shadow- No longer gain initiative when you enter stealth)Master: Hidden Thief – Stealing grants you stealth.(Hidden Thief- Stealing no longer grants you stealth)Master: Patience – Regain initiative faster while in stealth.(Patience- no longer regain initiative faster while in stealth)Grandmaste: Shadow’s Rejuvenation – Regenerate health while in stealth.(Shadow’s Rejuvenation- No longer regenerate health while in stealthAdept: Instinctual Response – If you take damage greater than the health threshold in a single strike, you release feathers to blind nearby enemies and gain stealth.(Instinctual Response- If you take damage greater than the health threshold in a single strike, you no longer gain stealth)Adept: Flanking Strikes – Increases damage when attacking a foe from behind or the side.(Flanking Strikes- no longer increase damage when attacking a foe from behind or the side.)Adept: Thrill of the Crime – When you steal, you and all nearby allies gain fury, might, and swiftness for 10 seconds.(Thrill of the Crime- When you steal, you and all nearby allies gain fury, might and swiftness for 5 seconds)Master: Bountiful Theft – Stealing grants you and all nearby allies vigor. You rip boons from your target and grant them to nearby allies.(Bountiful Theft- You rip boons from your target and grant them to nearby allies every 60 seconds)Grandmaster: Sleight of Hand – Stealing also dazes the target. Reduces the recharge of Steal.(Sleight of Hand- Reduce the recharge of Steal every 60 seconds)Grandmaster: Bewildering Ambush – Stealing also applies confusion.(Bewildering Ambush- Stealing applies confusion every 60 seconds)Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Perma-Stealth-is-Legalized-Griefing/page/2#post5033797Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5034123

Originally by: Advent.6193Posted date: May 06, 2015 19:52What: TrapsWhy: Simple circular logic:

Thieves are sneakyThieves don’t use Traps (often)Ergo, Thieves are holding Traps in reserve, to kitten folks over harder.Suggestion: Replace Traps with Quaggan Dolls. The enemy will be too busy laughing at the Thief to get killed by the Thief …Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5039373

Originally by: Highlie.7641Posted date: May 11, 2015 22:31Why: This thread is the only reason to visit the thief forum.Suggested nerf: reduce posting’s 33 or 50% (number’s generated by arena net)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5056294

Originally by: pepper.6179Posted date: May 12, 2015 02:48Why: takes away all of the gw2 playersResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5056988

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: May 26, 2015 02:14What: ShadowstepsWhy: Apparently you can use them while crafting and not get interrupted! How OP is that? I mean, you can shadowsteps from bank and back if needed…Learned it from reddit…Thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3771x5/til_shadowsteps_do_not_break_crafting_queue/Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5098962

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: June 06, 2015 01:50What: this class (Thief)Why: First of all you cannot shut down this class anymore. They have too many evades and escapes. Why should a class be given weapon evades, utility evades and dodge rolls with vigor. When can your enemy even touch you?Secondly, they have to much regen. If a thief uses vamprism runes or shadows regeneration skill set, they either run away and heal or continue to heal every few seconds. Some thieves have low life cause they know they will regen it all every few seconds and cant be killed no matter what. I hardly see thiefs get killed inpvp anymore.Thirdly, the class has too much swiftness uptime and can daze every few seconds with pistol. It’s only class that can achieve such mobility and fly around the map dazing people.Anet needs to nerf this class before its to late.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5125587

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: June 06, 2015 01:58What: do not allow F2 + F1 comboWhy: this is supposed to be a QOL changenot a buffso we should not allow F2 + F1 combomeaning if for eg a fear bundle F2 is used, F1 should be locked to prevent the thief from activating at range then using F1 to steal and blink in for the fear to connect at close rangeor imagine activating whirling axe bundle + steal to blink in on a warrioror imagine doing a range daze on guards by activating F2 then using F1 to blink inno chance for guard to reliably counterwhen traited, steal already poison, dmg, daze, grant fury and moreit is too much to allow F2 and F1 to work togetherthis is too OPor if F1 is used while F2 is casting, it cancels F2true that it can already be done with instant blink skillsBUT those are on LONGER cooldowns and don’t give the insane things that a traited LOW COOLDOWN steal doesThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/do-not-allow-F2-F1-combo

This is kind of like a pre-release request, thought I would document it to see if it occur post-release – surely it will.The other interesting thing is, he’s essentially saying not to buff steal in this case. The reason I find this interesting is that it could potentially signify evolution or a new species of QQ posts. Instead of asking for something to be nerfed, they could start progressively asking for something to not/never be buffed. Very interesting post specimen.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5125601

Originally by: Highlie.7641Posted date: June 06, 2015 03:46Why: Thieves can’t have nice thingsResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5125740

Originally by: Supreme.3164Posted date: June 06, 2015 17:14Why: I specifically mention thieves because I don’t believe that mesmer stealth pose any major problem, same thing cannot be said for thieves.My main issue is Initiative and here I want to stretch myself by saying that the mechanic itself is not evil, the core problem is the ability of thieves to easily refill the initiative bar, this greatly reduce the amount of counterplay , the margin of error is increased tenfold respect to any other profession this is why professions are being forced into specific builds by the thief class, while their margin of error increase..yours decrease, therefore you’re forced to increase your own margin of error by using other OP elements in the game.With all this said and done, I’m not here asking to nerf thief to oblivion, neither I’m asking to remove the initiative mechanic.Simply I think that thieves don’t get punished enough for a failed attack, this way they can reset the fight indefinitely; the initiative mechanic already remove that “CD strategy counterplay” which is common for most MMO and all other professions in this game.Suggestion: So these are my proposals:1) 3s reveal on block2) 1s reveal on missed attack ( dodge/blind etc etc)3) Chill reduce Initiative regenerationThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/We-need-more-counterplay-to-Thief-StealthResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5126735

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: June 08, 2015 02:06What: ThiefsWhy: First of all, there is more then one build that gaurantees win on thief.As an experiment myself and 4 friends all qued up in spvp kitten d/d thiefs. We roamed the map in groups of 2 with 1 guy holding home and literally 1sec comboed the enemiy team. Players were disconnecting because what we were doing was unstoppable, and simply overpowered.Sure at the moment you dont see thief picked up in every battle, but give it a month and people will start noticing how strongly buffed the class has become in comparison to others, over the last few patches.With these changes made, we have a more balanced meta with thiefs becoming a more challenging class to play, instead of the insta-win they are at the moment.Suggestion: The first thing that must be done if we wish to have a good game, is to cut all weapon evades from the thief class, as they currently have enough evades through dodge rolls and utilities, as well as vigor.The second step to making a more balanced thief, is to give each class that isn’t a thief a new ability. This ability will counter stealth for a few seconds. Lets say the thief is DP and spamming powder/heart seeker or DD with CnD. Well stealth lasts up to 5 – 10 sec, therefore we make a skill that reveals invisible units for 4 seconds on a 20 second cooldown. This skill will be called eye seeker and a hard counter to perm stealth builds. Every class but thief will have this as an optional utility.The last step to rid the game of this Overpowerd character and to balance the class, would be to scale attack speed according to enemy armour. The thief currently puts out to much damage to fast, with a quick attack speed and 100% crits with hidden killer. If an enemy has high armour, the thief will then be dealt a frost effect after hitting from stealth, this effect would reduce attack speed per strike. The effect will stack up to 4 times, reducing attack speed by 25% each stack.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5129370Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5129420

Originally by: thunderfall.8095Posted date: June 08, 2015 17:59Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5130795

Originally by: thunderfall.8095Posted date: June 08, 2015 17:59What: BlindWhy: There’s so much of it you can’t even hit a thief.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5130795

Originally by: Ragnarox.9601Posted date: June 09, 2015 21:02What: StealWhy: in HoT guardians do not have any daze so its not right to steal something that guardians do not have. You can’t steal money from someone who don’t even have it.Suggestion: remove stealing daze from guardiansThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/F2-button-for-Stolen-Item-skill-usage/page/3#post5131157Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5133809

Originally by: ZeftheWicked.3076Posted date: June 09, 2015 21:26What: Thieves need a fix, a-net.Why: Shadowstepping. Stealth not removed when blocked or evaded, basilisk venom piercing stability, phletora of instant casts including a heal skill that breaks movement inpairment and has massive evade, initiative unaffected by chilling or interrupt induced skill cooldown.So where exactly is the room for “skilled counter gameplay” against a thief who knows his stuff in pvp? Cause so far all i see is the “hold the point and survive for as long as possible”.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Thieves-need-a-fix-a-netResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5133894

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: June 09, 2015 21:46What: Last Refuge + Hard to Catch comboWhy: The Thief should not be able to shadowstep, blind and stealth at the same time when dazed at 25% HP. I was just going to finish the Thief off, then poof, he’s nowhere to be found. Since the stealth lasted for 3s and the Dazed only lasted for 1s, he was able to run away due to the Swiftness buff from Hard to Catch.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5133952

Originally by: Tarkan.5609Posted date: June 10, 2015 12:25What: Hard to CatchWhy: Trait is too good to be around, insta teleport and stunbreak what is this anet? Remove the port, double the internal cooldown and give thief revealed when this trait procs to make it at least not overpowered anymore as any thief build atm uses itResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5135270

Originally by: Azure The Heartless.3261Posted date: June 11, 2015 02:53What: ThiefWhy: Hey guys. Nerf thief cause I said it.I play ranger and they hit me too hardso… yeahThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5136244:PResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5138080

Originally by: Coronit.9432:Posted date: June 11, 2015 23:17What: Peow peow´s thiefWhy: He seems to be so overpowered contrary to everyone else. Its unfair. He oneshots everything while in stealth, evading and being invincible. And not forgetting that all of his ports are always working (to close for steal ftw).Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5138204Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5140482

Originally by: TheMurkMuffin.8213Posted date: June 13, 2015 08:39Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5143477

Originally by: TheMurkMuffin.8213Posted date: June 13, 2015 08:39What: ThievesWhy: They are the leading cause of dehydration due to the shedding of so many tears. OP skill sets and they can stealth!!!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5143477

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765Posted date: June 14, 2015 19:47What: Master ThievesWhy: The problem is a Master thief vs a Master [insert any class here] is going to be advantage to the thief, with the exception of a Master Guardian.Of all the classes, a Master level Thief holds the advantage.Only a Master level Guardian can proudly say that they have the edge over a Master level thief.Thieves are OP to every other class except Guardian.All classes under the control of superb Master level players, Thief comes out on top in every encounter except vs Guardians.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/I-must-apologize/first#post5145321Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5145945

Originally by: Eodwen.2613Posted date: June 15, 2015 11:23What: ThievesWhy: Because they break the law.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5147088

Originally by: ImdA.4701Posted date: June 17, 2015 03:39What: WithdrawWhy: Please, can someone tell me why devs decided to nerf Consume Condition hard and to buff Withdraw, which is obviously the strongest heal IG by far ?It’s such a ridiculous idea, Consume Condi was balanced enough (due to a pretty long casting time). Withdraw is just unblockable 15s CD heal.Sorry dear devs, but that’s kinda stupid.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Why-no-nerf-on-withdrawResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5156166

Originally by: Fay.2357Posted date: June 17, 2015 03:41What: WithdrawWhy: The problem is that withdraw is a heal with zero counterplay. Literally the only way to interrupt it would be to put a static field/line of warding/ring of warding/ unsteady ground behind the thief, and hope they’re dumb enough to withdraw into it. Even then, I think the heal applies instantly, so they’d just not roll back the full distance.Suggesstion: It needs a real cast time, not a ’I’m evading, just thought I’d let you know how long I’m evading for’ cast time.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Why-no-nerf-on-withdraw/first#post5154508Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5156194

Originally by: Kreweless.2196Posted date: June 28, 2015 16:24What: BackstabWhy: Maybe Backstab should have a cool down. Just maybe. (Relative picture attached…)Suggesstion: Backstab should have a cool down.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Maybe-Backstab-should-have-a-cool-down/first#post5224886Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5224936

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: June 29, 2015 01:11What: ThiefWhy: The dps a thief puts out after patch is too much. I can’t even touch them in Spvp without getting killed in 2 seconds. The worst part is that im a gaurdian, yet they just proc my block and then daze + backstab me to death.Thiefs are unkillable… they just hit you and reset. Other classes have had enough, Anet needs to do something about this class.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thief-class-too-strong-after-patchResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5226659

Originally by: Seyiwaji.4082Posted date: June 29, 2015 23:39What: ThievesWhy: Are thieves now Bad: NOCan thieves Burst:YesDid thieves got buffed: YesDid thieves got nerfe as well: YesThe problem is:You guy are complaining but; Is your class weak now, No; You have to learn to play now in order to win. And this something that most of thieves can not handle.I mean you even complained because of F2, some people missed the button…. srsly….Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Thief-complaint-after-patch-PVPResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5230817

Originally by: Lordrosicky.5813Posted date: June 29, 2015 23:41What: ThiefWhy: Thief is too strongTurns out having no cds on weapon skills, having ports, and evades and stealth = quite strong.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/pvp/Thief-is-too-strongResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5230826

Originally by: mako.2431Posted date: June 29, 2015 23:44What: Thief damageWhy: “One shotted” by theif, 18519 damageIt was across 4 hits but they were all at once for the most part, the biggest being 9090. He jumped on me and I was down, period, gone. I have WvW’d enough to be in the silver ranks, I have NEVER died this fast, ever. This patch is broken, fix it.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/wuv/One-shotted-by-theif-18519-damageResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5230835

Originally by: Zelulose.8695Posted date: July 08, 2015 03:16What: Nerf Thief?Why: Even I am not sure if this is a joke or serious but check out this link to find out for yourself.They want Ele nerfed and mesmer nerfed, but I say, why not nerf this.

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Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: September 03, 2015 20:49What: Teefs and DDsWhy: Remember those days when there was a QQ post every week at least… WELL NOW THEY"RE GONE. Which means, the thief needs more nerfing.

:/ Seriously, the HoT Hype has lessened the QQ’s….Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/5451908

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 05, 2013 18:18What: Sanduskel’s ThiefWhy: Too stronkResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3319756

Originally by: AlexEBT.7240Posted date: December 05, 2013 18:32Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3319842

Originally by: AlexEBT.7240Posted date: December 05, 2013 18:32What: the thief classWhy: because the fact this class still exists it’s quite OPResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3319842

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: December 05, 2013 22:18What: StompsWhy: People must feel bad when they get stomped by a thief. Therefore, thieves should not be allowed to stomp. We should force them to desperately auto attack their opponent – no wait, people who get downed by thieves should have instant rally. Or even better, once the person rallies, the thief gets downed instead so they can be stomped.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3321010

Originally by: sierras.6297Posted date: December 06, 2013 05:53What: nothingWhy: Thieves already got hit a thousand times by the nerd bat and are just starting to get buffed to being balanced.This thread is a joke, you really expect people to WANT thief nerds unless they unskillfully play another profession? Let me reinforce the idea that if you complain about thieves, you are an UNSKILLFUL player of a different class because any good player can go toe to toe with a thief and it comes down to how well you play, not the profession.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322572

Originally by: swinsk.6410Posted date: December 06, 2013 05:53What: heartseeker spamWhy: because dodging and using defensive skills for non-thieves is just too much work.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322573

Originally by: yski.7642Posted date: December 06, 2013 08:48Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322932

Originally by: yski.7642Posted date: December 06, 2013 08:48What: Cloak and DaggerWhy: Yski OP. Long range initiative free permastealth! Oh wait..Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3322932

Originally by: phaeris.7604Posted date: December 06, 2013 13:32What: Ability to gain xp via any means.Why: A level 1 thief clearly has the same, if not greater powers than a level 80 of any other completely geared class.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3323726

Originally by: Puru.4217Posted date: December 06, 2013 13:46What: Traps.Why: They weren’t really hit by the nerf bat yet.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3323768

Originally by: Prince.7198Posted date: December 06, 2013 15:15What: Weapon skillsWhy: Bcs not all of them got nerfed yet!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324157

Originally by: Prince.7198Posted date: December 06, 2013 15:18What: low initiative costWhy: Bcs they should only use 1 skill every 15 sec or its O to the P.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324171

Originally by: Prince.7198Posted date: December 06, 2013 15:20What: CritsWhy: Thiefs shouldnt be able to crit, that is something for warriors, guardians and mesmers who have such low base dmg.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324181

Originally by: Prince.7198Posted date: December 06, 2013 15:22What: acces to looking for group toolWhy: Theifs are so OP that they make other party members feel useless in a dungeonResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324197

Originally by: Prince.7198Posted date: December 06, 2013 15:23What: VenomsWhy: That stuff 1shots any class with full cleric gearResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324203

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 06, 2013 16:53What: Heartseeker damage bonusWhy: The bonus should not be compounded with other bonuses like Executioner, Flanking Strike (trait) and Vulnerability. It should be harder to finish off someone desperately fighting for their lives. Besides, blood-soaked daggers becomes dull over time so the heartseeker bonus doesn’t make any sense.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3324697

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Originally by: Arganthium.5638Posted date: December 06, 2013 18:06What: Black PowderWhy: it’s perma blind cuz I don’t wanna step out of the field with my warrior, and thieves keep putting down another field like every other second.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3325055

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 06, 2013 18:31What: Skelk VenomWhy: It’s so bad, it’s good.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3325206

Originally by: Zacchary.6183Posted date: December 06, 2013 19:38What: Sword AutoWhy: BECUZ SWORD OHPEEResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3325749

Originally by: Puru.4217Posted date: December 06, 2013 20:02What: Baslisk VenomWhy: It’s useable underwater.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3325928

Originally by: Tetsuyja.7805Posted date: December 06, 2013 23:41What: StealWhy: it’s cybercrime.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3327495

Originally by: evilapprentice.6379Posted date: December 07, 2013 04:20What: Pistol RangeWhy: Because 900 range is much to far to have to close while being shredded by unload spam.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3328933

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: December 07, 2013 04:22What: Thieves’ guild.Why: It’s bad enough to fight against one thief. Why force a fight with three?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3328942

Originally by: XPGAMER.7324Posted date: December 07, 2013 04:41What: Their abillity to post on the forumsWhy: Meh actually it doesn’t matter much. Anet doesn’t listen/care abt em anywaysWhenever a thief tries to search the forums, anet should redirect them to a rickroll. We want them to feel loved, but mainly unheard. Cuz if thief wasn’t nerfed every patch, I’d rage on the forums about how op they are, and then they’d be mean to me :’(Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3329018

Originally by: PopeUrban.2578Posted date: December 07, 2013 10:43What: Caltrops (again)Why: It still does TWO conditions! a LOT! When the thief is GONE!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3330172

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823Posted date: December 08, 2013 19:48What: Vigor AccessWhy : Thieves dodge too much in addition to their myriad of other defensive boons.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3336233

Originally by: byku.3452Posted date: December 09, 2013 16:23What: HealingWhy: Thieves shouldn’t be able to heal cause blue aura while healing doesn’t suit my armorResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340035

Originally by: Alice.8694Posted date: December 09, 2013 16:28What: Tier 3 Human Cultural ArmorWhy: Thieves synergize with this armor more than any other, this is OP and should totally be nerfed immediately.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340055

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 09, 2013 17:24What: thief is to op is just an excuse because you dont want to admit that some people are better than you areResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340401

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 09, 2013 17:30What: Thief ability to QQ on forumsWhy: An inferior species should not be allowed to QQ.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3340439

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: December 09, 2013 21:10What: P/D thieves, their bleeds.Why: Bleeds and conditions OP! Remove the bleed from #1 .Doggie.3184:Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3341383

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 09, 2013 21:19What: Cloak n’ daggerWhy: It can give you almost perma stealth if you connect all of them. This is CLEARLY way too op.Solution: Make CND give 3s torment on top of the vulnerability it already gives and remove the stealth.As compensation for this nerf, move “hard to catch” from master tier to adept tier. This will make thief sooo much harder to kill so it is not only a big deal, it’s a MASSSIIIIVE buff.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3341852

Originally by: Easlay.3297Posted date: December 09, 2013 23:08What: ThiefWhy: better nerf thiefResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3342516

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 10, 2013 14:26What: My kneecaps and pcWhy: An Anet employee should come and nerf my kneecaps and pc with nerfbat because i DARED to roll such an OP class!! I am deeply sorry for doing so and i shall promptly proceed to uninstall GW 2 from my pc and perform a ritualaised harakiri, for i have shamed myself deeply.Ps: Loving this thread ^^Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345208

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 10, 2013 14:57Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345291

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 10, 2013 14:57What: Thief healingWhy: Too op, every time thief player press Q to heal, the player should spontaneously combust!! Because Thief healing is just WRONG in cosmic level!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345291

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 10, 2013 14:53Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345351

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 10, 2013 14:53What: Thief movementWhy: Thief is too hard to catch, other players may get too frusthrated. Thief should only be a torso, flopping on the ground. This way other players can easily kill even an experienced thief!! IF the torsothief can, however, land some damage to attacking player, or even if he/she bleeds on the attacking player, thieves account should be automaticly permabanned. Oh, and the torsothief players PC should violently explode at that point. Preventing the player from living and thusly preventing him from buying another copy of GW 2 and rolling another op thief.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345351

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 10, 2013 14:53What: Now im going to shut up and proceed with the harakiri.Why: because thief op!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3345351

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 10, 2013 21:44What: Practiced ToleranceWhy: 7% is OP! Bring it back to 5%, or even 2%. A Glass Cannon is not a Glass Cannon if they don’t break like glass.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3348675

Originally by: Chasind.3128Posted date: December 10, 2013 23:07What: ThiefWhy: I don’t like Words/Names/’T’itles begging with a ‘T’Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3349495

Originally by: Coltaine.8701Posted date: December 11, 2013 00:00What: Thief Skill Twisting FangsWhy: True Story: I recently encountered a thief in wvw. I saw that he was d/d and prepared my stunlocks, stabilities, and aoe. Suddenly, he unequipped one dagger, and proceeded to spam Twisting Fangs (1 dagger equipped; skill3). Not only was the range horrendously OP (130), but the spinning animation brought tears to my eyes! I wept as I died from this OP skill. Please, remove the range, or the spinning animation, or make thieves use TWO daggers, not ONE.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3349919

Originally by: Clockwork Bard.3105Posted date: December 11, 2013 00:50What: Sylvari ThievesWhy: They glow. Glowing things should not get to have stealth.Caithe is a thief. Letting other players copy her cramps her style and makes her less unique.Take Root. No one wants to wait through 3 seconds of invulnerability for their loot bag.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3350234

Originally by: Calsifer.6079Posted date: December 11, 2013 03:37Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3351106

Originally by: Calsifer.6079Posted date: December 11, 2013 03:37What: Shadow Arts V Trait, Infusion of Shadow.Why: Obviously increasing the initiative gain to 2 makes it way too OP compared to the pre Dec. 10 patch Infusion of Shadow which only gave a 2 initiative gain. This new 2 initiative gain that they gave us is way too powerful compared to the old 2 initiative gain and needs to be nerfed immediately.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3351106

Originally by: Mountains.4096Posted date: December 11, 2013 04:49What: Being able to see while stealthed.Why: Stealth is invisibility, which means the thief’s retinas should not be able to absorb light whilst stealthed. Therefore, thieves should be presented with a blank screen while stealth is active. Mesmers use magic blindfolds and Rangers can, I don’t know, probably smell the landscape really well or something and thus should not be impacted by this change.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3351440

Originally by: Jaradon.2756Posted date: December 13, 2013 12:30What: Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?Why: No one has ever been able to be as even go as far for thief as also been for even!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3366586

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: December 14, 2013 00:40What: condition P/D or P/P thieves with perplexity runes running caltrops and venomWhy: It is a really strong (but cheesy) build though, like the thief version of the blackwater mesmer build.https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Whats-up-with-thieves-nowadaysResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3369899

Originally by: Archon.7516Posted date: December 14, 2013 04:18What: What – Stealth

Why: Why – Because even though I can’t see the thief I can still damage/cc/down it, this makes me feel dishonorable so thieves shouldn’t stealth

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Originally by: Archon.7516Posted date: December 14, 2013 04:21What: What – All the thieves

Why: Why – Because the devs play all the other classes.. it’s not fair that Thieves get balanced based on no playtesting by the dev team when I do.

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Originally by: tac.2167Posted date: December 14, 2013 13:15What: Nerf Death – When a thief dies he should explode doing massive AOE damage to his own teamWhy: Thief death is OP. Every time a thief dies, he resets the fight.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3372074

Originally by: Nizio Nightblade.8109Posted date: December 14, 2013 14:56What: The class name ThiefWhy: Free loot bag shouldn’t be named thief should be called a free loot bagResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3372371

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: December 14, 2013 17:01What: Thief in it’s entirety.Why: Since we’re free loot bags, this is a merge of all the requests, Not only should the class name change to “Free Loot Bag” and take away our limbs so we can’t run or do anything, instead a total remake should be made (I agree with Burnfall! He’s totally right when he said it.). Our character creation screen should show a 8 slotted bag that we can then customize (pick out ribbons and colors…), and as we level-up/gear-up as bags we progress into a 10 slotted loot bag then into a 15 and so on. Or we start off as “Tiny Loot Bag” and progress into a “Small Loot Bag” and so on.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3372846

Originally by: Jormin.2761Posted date: December 14, 2013 21:43What: Thief gatheringWhy: With signet of shadows, heartseeker, stealth, and all their teleports, they can clear a map of all gather nodes in about 20 min. This is way OP, it’s gotten to the point that no other class can hope to gather as quickly as them. This is making most (cheers to the very few non-permagather thieves out there) thieves very rich, while every other class gets to sit in Lion’s Arch with 0 gold wishing they had rolled these incredibly OP gatherers. Ever since ascended weapons came out all the mid-level nodes have become pricy making these OP gatherers even richer. A nerf is needed more now than ever before, or else you are going to have 90% of your playerbase leave because you could not fix a terribly designed and OP gathering class.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3373815

Originally by: Arganthium.5638Posted date: December 15, 2013 01:10What: Skelk VenomWhy: it’s a venom, and venoms are OP because thief can use them.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3374502

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 17, 2013 00:49What: “placed” AoE (i.e. Caltrops, Choking gas)Why: Everything Thieves do must apply Revealed debuff, even if they fart in a crowded bus.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3383779

Originally by: Viking Jorun.5413Posted date: December 17, 2013 04:27What: MovementWhy: Thieves move out of my hundred blades. OP and needs to stahp.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3384546

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 17, 2013 07:37What: BugWhy: Whenever I place chaos storm on top of myself the thief walks out of it.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3385075

Originally by: Yggdrasil.7940Posted date: December 17, 2013 11:41What: Thief’s stealthWhy: I cannot see where he is but clones & pets can still attack him. Why could they do better than me ? My channeling skills also track him, but I want to be able to fully attack him while stealthed without wasting my precious AOE CDs.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3385682

Originally by: Yggdrasil.7940Posted date: December 17, 2013 11:41What: Thief’s skills that benefit from position (back)Why: They dish out too much damage and they are mono-target skills.According to the meta, high-damage skills should be restricted to AOE with at least 180° radius and with no positioning required, for obvious high facerolling skill purpose.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3385682

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: VenomWhy: Because it tickle to muchResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: TrapWhy: Because one thief ruined my flower pot puting a spike trap in it (my poor roses QQ)Resurrected from:_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: Thieve guildWhy: Thief should do a quest to aquire membership in a thieve guild before behing able to spam that skillResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: PistolWhyL: arent pistols at this time supose to be able to do maximum 6 shot before needing to reload there should be cooldown after hiting 6 timeWhat: Short BowWhy: how can their arrow actualy bounce perfectly between target this skill needs ground targeting oOResurrected from:_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: Cluster bombWhy: just how can he detonate the bomb at distance with does he has some time of ’’bomb’’ button somewhere on a remote pannel?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: pistol stunWhy: stop making me dizzy Resurrected from:_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: ambushWhy: Just where did that guy come from?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:08What: Your motherWhy: Because thief are motherless scum or so everyone says ooResurrected from:_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386390

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:12Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386408

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: December 17, 2013 15:12What: thief shortbow stealthWhy: I used to be an advanturer before until i took an arrow to the kneeResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3386408

Originally by: Rin.1046Posted date: December 17, 2013 17:49What: The Thief professionWhy: Because anything the Thief can do, other professions can do better.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3387195

Originally by: Rin.1046Posted date: December 17, 2013 17:49What: BalancingWhy: Because no-one can seem to get it right without years of trial and error. The meta is a lie, there is no meta.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3387195

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 17, 2013 17:57What: D/P thiefWhy: Because if you’re a thief and can’t melt a warrior, you need to L2P.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3387237

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 17, 2013 22:23What: Shadow’s RejuvenationWhy: There can only be one healing trait, that is the godly, most awesome, indisputably MA-MA-MASSSSSIVE-ly buffed, Assassin’s Reward.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3388607

Originally by: Yalingto.6453Posted date: December 18, 2013 06:48What: Longbow thiefWhy: Because it just sounds OPResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3390191

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: December 18, 2013 19:08What: Hard to CatchWhy: This trait places the thief outside my chaos storm…Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3392674

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: December 20, 2013 16:39What: Stealth Stacking DurationWhy: I once saw a perma-stealth Thief…Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3401872

Originally by: Excalibur.9748Posted date: December 20, 2013 17:28What: Perma StealthWhy: Worst thing ever created in the history of gaming!!1!! Also, I am a clicker and a perma stealth thief 1 hitted me out of nowhere!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3402101

Originally by: Domey.9804Posted date: December 21, 2013 18:29What: Thief treeWhy: Thief tree grows too fast, produces no Oxygen. Evil treeResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406089

Originally by: Zacchary.6183Posted date: December 21, 2013 20:57What: Thief tree oxygenWhy: Oxygen is permastealth and can’t see it EVER.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406568

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: December 21, 2013 21:04What: Thief OP statusWhy: Like branches on a tree, even though the thief gets trimmed/cut (nerfed), their OP status increases, grows and regenerates. Pluck the tree from the ground! Burn it to the ground! Plant a flower instead.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406584

Originally by: Eloquence.5207Posted date: December 21, 2013 22:36What: Thief player egoWhy: The world would be a better placeResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3406840

Originally by: sierras.6297Posted date: December 22, 2013 19:30What: PistolsWhy: their direct damage is too high. We should make the auto attack cost one imitative per shot because it does so much damage so quickly. Also the 2 skill should just be removed because thieves shouldn’t be able to root people, or apply vulnerability, especially with the extreme direct damage of pistol AA. While were at it, pistol shouldn’t be available as an off hand. Blind on a THIEF?! Outrageous! Just make pistol unable to even have an off hand weapon because, I mean, that AA is just so O kittening P!sarcasm;)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3409450

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: December 31, 2013 21:35What: Stealth, CnD, BackstabWhy: Even though OP perma-stealth exploit build has been nerfed… This is still happening:

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Originally by: The Game Slayer.7632Posted date: January 02, 2014 23:18What: Devourer venomWhy: I can put 9s of immob on a target with this skill… That is ridiculous… and no one can cleanse it since i stack it with other venoms and about 6 other condis pop up with immob. Then the best part is is that when 9s runs comes close to running out, ill just spam body shot. (lol)Suggestion: Remove immob completely and give it burning with cripple, or something like that. Maybe confusion, just hell, not immob. Its way too strong.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Devourer-venom-needs-a-nerfResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3445896

Originally by: klemen.8439Posted date: January 02, 2014 23:18What: heartseekerWhy: They’re all playing dagger/pistol and all they do through out all fights is push 5 and then spam 2 (smokefield → heartseak spam). The combo is really a no skill, annoyance to other players and kinda OP towards most light classes (necro DS insta kill, ele insta kill).Suggestion: Making heartseeker require like 2 more initiative so that a thief would be unable to spam it like 4 times in a row.Switching dancing dagger (Skill n°4 on dagger) with heartseeker would not only make dancing dagger being used more (due to it being the second skill) but would also fix the perma-stealth issue that’s been bothering a lot of WvW players.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thievesResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3445896

Originally by: Elxdark.9702Posted date: January 02, 2014 23:18What: 5 and 2Why: I only press 5 and 2 and I can kill anything.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves/first#post3445843Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3445896

Originally by: animalmom.1062Posted date: January 02, 2014 23:56What: Thieves wearing ascended gearWhy: duh?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3446027

Originally by: Doggie.3184Posted date: January 03, 2014 00:04What: Black PowderWhy: Why’s it gotta be black?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3446046

Originally by: Warhawk.7095Posted date: January 03, 2014 05:19What: Thief’s ability to move.Why: Other classes get confused when things move.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3446760

Originally by: Shrike.3154Posted date: January 08, 2014 21:17What: dagger pistol perma stealthWhy: Don’t know about every other non thief out there, but these thieves that can solo a bunch of people and win, due to perma stealth is bull **, so over fighting them, I just walk away now, as it takes to many resources to down just one of these pugs.Perma stealth is extremely annoying, and needs to be stopped, there is serious balance issues when 1 toon cant take on 5 and win, class match ups should be even and balance better._Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/nerf-the-dagger-pistol-perma-stealth-rubbish/first#post3450221Resurrected from:**_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3450246

Originally by: Domey.9804Posted date: January 04, 2014 18:34What: fleet shadowWhy: Thief should be affected by cripple in stealth Not 33% faster(originally posted by someone on wvw discussion Forum who beliefs in skill describtions)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3452342

Originally by: Easlay.3297Posted date: January 05, 2014 15:54What: Thief class nameWhy: ppl hate it so much, this lead us to understand that is indeed opResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3455427

Originally by: Sparda.9750Posted date: January 06, 2014 11:45What: weapons- daggerWhy: i saw an afk warrior losing against a d/d thiefResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3458455

Originally by: Deathspike.1870Posted date: January 06, 2014 12:40What: Blind accessibility.Why: Because it forces me to do 5 attacks instead of 3 to down a thief.Suggestion: Take away blind abilities. Give more initiative to balance it!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3458575

Originally by: Deathspike.1870Posted date: January 06, 2014 12:40What: Shadow RefugeWhy: They heal and stealth! Countering requires thinking during a fight!Suggestion: Replace it with a 1 initiative/sec gain while inside.Fun thread.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3458575

Originally by: Niels.5396Posted date: January 08, 2014 21:17What: nerfs on the short bowWhy: it pains me to see people playing thief that evade endlessly. Spamming 3 on their short bows while dodging and auto attacking. … The short bow is the real evil here.Suggestion: more nerfs on the short bow rather than more nerfs on the vigor uptime.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thief-nerf-3Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3468770

Originally by: Sir Vincent III.1286Posted date: January 08, 2014 21:33What: Black PowderWhy: The Thief should also be blinded unless they are wearing an infrared goggles. So no more stomping those poor and pathetic Warriors after using Black Powder. It’s not fair to them.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3468830

Originally by: chilimannen.5682Posted date: January 08, 2014 22:01What: P/d pistol immobilize.Why: I can spam it, with wire-trap, caltrops, roll for iniative, dodge, dagger-throw slow and the other roll back and heal thing.. i kite everything in WvW with this setup. Except that elementalist, i dealt 500 dmg to her before i was down.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3468926

Originally by: chilimannen.5682Posted date: January 08, 2014 22:01What: Shortbow AutoAttackWhy: It bounces between targets, dealing damage without having the Thief to aim! The thief should have to aim at all times, it’s an assassin! The thief should have to manually calculate the refraction angles if he wants the arrows to bounce targets.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3468926

Originally by: Bananaling.9673Posted date: January 09, 2014 02:18What: dancing daggerWhy: it doesn’t make me dance.Suggestion: make thief lose a dagger every time this skill is used.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3469781

Originally by: Elthurien.8356Posted date: January 09, 2014 03:39What: Dancing DaggerWhy: No DancingSuggestion: Remove Dagger portion of the skill and add more dancing.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3469968

Originally by: Sjaakie.1470Posted date: January 09, 2014 06:28What: ThiefsWhy: Doing more damage than siegeThanks Sjaakie for providing screenshots of a your attributes and a combat log of a 2.8k heartseeker and some auto attacks doing 500 damage.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3470298

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: January 09, 2014 12:31Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3470907

Originally by: Ghostwolf.9863Posted date: January 09, 2014 12:31What: Shortbow – Disabling ShotWhy: It costs 4 init dodges and cripples. It is stupid how spamable. No i did not lose to it. Its just a stupid thing to have. Every thief that fails hard with his/her back stab whips this out and goes 3333333. Its dumb and can be easily spammedSolution: Remove the dodge and just leave it for the cripple.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3470907

Originally by: Zacchary.6183Posted date: January 11, 2014 01:13What: My flood control and suspension length.Why: Because a 30 minute flood control and 8 day suspension per infraction is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.Solution: Let me tell baddies they are bad instead of playing the politically correct game!!! >.<Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3478648

Originally by: Zacchary.6183Posted date: January 13, 2014 05:12What: Cantrips teephWhy: Cantrips teeph too easy to playPrufe:^ Death Blossom and Cantrips with Signet of Malice. Give us a difficult one.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3487197

Originally by: Spyder.9713Posted date: January 13, 2014 22:57What: FeefWhy: Nerf?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3491306

Originally by: Swimfan.8014Posted date: January 14, 2014 13:42What: What to nerf: Thiefs armor – just let him wear nothing for christ’s sake!

Why: If Warriors hits thiefs, they don’t die in 2 hits :/ That’s just not what these awesome warriors can! Who wants an opponent that can’t be facerolled?! Tell me!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3493736

Originally by: Static.9841Posted date: January 17, 2014 17:55What: Thief players eyes.Why: If I can’t see them, neither should they!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3509326

Originally by: Prysin.8542Posted date: January 20, 2014 16:52What: ThiefWhy: Needs a permanent pet that steals 40% of your DPS and dies in an instantResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3522645

Originally by: Dark FQ.1038Posted date: January 20, 2014 23:04What: Shadow’s RejuvenationWhy: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-RejuvenationResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3524198

Originally by: Yoh.8469Posted date: January 21, 2014 12:50What: Initiative regeneration under chillWhy: We know that Chill causes 66% movement and cooldown speed reduction, which is pretty powerful. However, Thieves don’t have cool downs on their weapons because of Initiative, so doesn’t this give their weapon skills immunity to that part of the condition?Suggestion: They should get some sort of penalty instead, like a reduction on Initiative gain.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Chill-vs-InitiativeResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3526259

Originally by: Hitman.5829Posted date: January 21, 2014 12:50What: Shadow EmbraceWhy: The thief can remove 2 conditions each time he goes in stealth, if and only if at least 10 points are spend in shadow arts. This means that a thief can remove 2 conditions every 3-4 seconds since they are constantly in stealth. Thieves have access to: (A.) Infiltrator strike on the sword #2 skill, which allows the thief to remove any condition any time he wants. (B.) Hide in shadows (the healing skill) that removes burning poison and bleeding (and 2 more condition because they have shadow embrace treated.) (C.) Shadow step which removes 3 condition and 3 more condition removed when shadow return is activated. (D.) Shadow refuge which can remove up to 6 condition (because they can last in stealth for 15 seconds which means that one condition is removed upon entering stealth + 5 conditions removed in the 15 seconds of stealth). By just spending 10 points in survival, the thief can have access to an incredible survival build. Keep in mind the following: (A.) Shadow step will also break stunts TWICE. (B.) Infiltrator strike will return to original place confusing the attacker, if you are immobilized, just use infiltrators return so your attacker cannot get to you. (C.) Shadow refuge 15 seconds of WTF where Is the thief. (the condition removal skills recharging, him gaining initiative/health). Now the thief can use the remaining 60 points to make a powerful damage build.Suggestion: If the thief wants to have a survival build, then change the shadow embrace trait to grand master. That will force them to spend 30 points in survival.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/PvP-WvW-Thief-shadow-embrace-OPResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3526259

Originally by: Swimfan.8014Posted date: January 22, 2014 01:11What: What to nerf:Daggers and Shortbows

Why: WhyThief are seen using these as weapons! S.o. might geht hurt! REMOVE!

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Originally by: Noliver.1475Posted date: January 23, 2014 07:45What: What?Thief’s endurance and run speed

Why: Why Thiefs are not supposed to be able to use dodge on toop of all their rolling and teleporting skills!!! IT IS FAR TOO OP!! I cannot kill one with my Warrior without the use of 2 HANDS!! You hear me? I NEED 2 HANDS TO KILL ONE!! simply 1 hand on the mouse is not enough!!!How to Change; Remove Endurance from Thiefs, so they cannot dodge. Also make them walk instead of run, any swiftness buff will be neglected on Thiefs.Wait.. Might as well as make them immobilize as soon as a player is in sight.

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Originally by: Zacchary.6183Posted date: January 23, 2014 08:48What: Thif soup.Why: BECAUSE THIF SO OP!!! GET IT?!?! THIF SOOP?You probably don’t. :cResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3538490

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: January 23, 2014 16:19What: Thief using black dyeWhy: because thief shouldnt have swag or look gangsta in the first place and needs to wear pink so that we spot them faster.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3540035

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: January 23, 2014 16:19What: Thief wearing medium armorWhy: because thief are too poor by definition to buy themselve leather coat, its a direct offense to the game realism OOResurrected from:_ https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3540035

Originally by: kyubi.3620Posted date: January 23, 2014 16:19What: thief using poisonWhy: because they cant accidentaly poison themselves when applying a poison in the middle of a fighthow to: Give the thief a chance based on how many apothecary items he does not wear to actualy poison himself by accident when applying a poison to his weapon the thief should also have a craft in wich he is forced to specialise called alchemy so that he needs to constantly craft himself vials of poison to use them in the first place.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3540035

Originally by: Arganthium.5638Posted date: January 24, 2014 04:33What: I don’t even know.Why: what, am I expected to know what I’m nerfing now?! Christ, this is thief we’re talking about, just nerf whatever you want, I don’t give a kitten. Just stop harassing me!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3542964

Originally by: Auesis.7301Posted date: January 24, 2014 05:16What: EverythingWhy: I went afk in the middle of EB to make a sandwich and I came back to find myself dead and a Thief dancing on my corpse. This is clear evidence that the whole class is unacceptably OP and requires immediate deletion and replacement with the sandwichmancer.I like sandwiches.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3543080

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823Posted date: January 28, 2014 00:01Thread: Original thread:https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/PvP-Nerfs-needed-on-every-class/first#post3558359

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Originally by: Kyrion.2749Posted date: January 28, 2014 12:22What: Thief’s ShortbowsWhy: Every thief is using them so it must be an OP weapon. For starters, thieves are abusing the ultra-short range to detonate arrows at point blank, and that is unrealistic and unfun. The explosion should damage the thief too to prevent that, and since the projectile is slow, the thief has time to get out of the way so the change is balanced.Also thieves are spamming evades too much, so, whenever they use SB #3, they must suffer a 20% cumulative chance of the bow’s string snapping, and slashing their eyes, blinding them. Then, the string should fall to their feet, entangling them, and inflicting cripple for 10 seconds.Choking gas is going to be nerfed already so that’s OK. Finally, I see that you removed the infiltrator’s arrow, but thieves still keep teleporting neverthless, so they must be using a exploit. Fix it please.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3560654

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823Posted date: January 28, 2014 16:50What: S/D and S/P (?!!!)Why: These builds have too much evasion. Weapon skill evasion should also cost endurance. Thief still to mobile. Too much damage. Too much burst.Thread: Original Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Pvp-Thief-S-D-thief-is-still-too-strong/first#post3561428

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Originally by: TheGuy.3568Posted date: January 28, 2014 16:54What: Thief removed from gameWhy: Every build is considered OP. No buffs or balance can get through.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3561876

Originally by: Bubby.6475Posted date: January 29, 2014 01:10What: BackstabWhy: Backstab stealth builds usually had no drawbacks for missing a backstab. This was a pretty hot topic on /r/guildwars2.Suggestion: How about giving backstab a 3 second cooldown while being stealthed.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Stealth-Backstab-no-risk-high-rewardResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3564100

Originally by: Evlboy.6973Posted date: January 29, 2014 02:43What: Thiefs !!!Why: They are evil,they killed my puppy .Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3564440

Originally by: Evlboy.6973Posted date: January 29, 2014 02:59What: Thiefs !!!Why: They are OP,they stoled my girlfriend and one is dating my mom.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3564450

Originally by: Aladdin.4603Posted date: January 30, 2014 18:51What: StabilityWhy: OMG a thief can whirl in lala w1th th3 St@bi1ity… omg we can’t throw a thief around… WHY CANTZ WE KNOCKS HIM DOWN!? Thief Stability is so OP! NERF NERFResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3572487

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: January 31, 2014 00:08What: FrontstabWhy: It’s a OP ability that’s not widely known. When you backstab the target from the front (in their face), it’s a frontstab… but the name says backstab, you shouldn’t be able to frontstab people. It’s so OP that it not only kills the character, but the user playing the character, hence this ability isn’t widely known.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3573952

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823Posted date: February 04, 2014 02:21What: Consume PlasmaWhy: Thieves are not designed to get boons. Getting boons makes them OP.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/sPvP-Consume-Plasma-Overpowered/first#post3588687Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3589074

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823Posted date: February 04, 2014 02:26What: Just…. thieves….. 15%-25% damage nerf amongst many other thingsWhy: They prevent other direct damage professions from flourishingThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/sPvP-Thieves-driving-away-damage-dealers/first#post3589021Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3589091

Originally by: Maugetarr.6823Posted date: February 04, 2014 02:32What: Thieves should be revealed when flailing a stealth attack.Why: Stealth is currently all reward with no risk. It’s easy to land a backstab. Other professions need to be rewarded for thoer superior counterplaying skills.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/ALL-Revealed-on-Block-Miss/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3589110

Originally by: Stand The Wall.6987Posted date: February 04, 2014 04:58What: All these thief forumers touching each otherWhy: Its actually turning me onResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3589454

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: February 06, 2014 18:26What: Every nerf in this thread:https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Thief-The-Black-Sheep-5-8There’s too many to list.Why: I really don’t know why (probably somewhere in the text…), but I think the guy thinks it would be a good redesign and would balance things…Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3603586

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Originally by: hihey.1075Posted date: February 07, 2014 03:23What: Stealth and DamageWhy: However, everytime I find a thief, no matter what, I just die. And the problem is, I can’t even see him! I just go around, then bam! Dead! I got hit by 18k spikes out of nowhere. And when I see the thief in front of me and I manage to avoid his attack, he will just go in stealth in another gimmicky way and backstab me from behind! I can’t even use my heal, because his burst is on a 0s CD!Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thieves-need-nerfResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3605778

Originally by: MIrra.3604Posted date: February 11, 2014 17:09What: Heartseeker’s leap finisher through smoke fieldWhy: Their ability to stack stealth in excess of 10+ secs duration is a bit overwhelming to counter. There are different builds ranging from tank/condi to pure 10K+ BS burst all of which can maintain perma stealth. If you want perma stealth, I expect your BS to hit like a wet noodle. Basically, I want to reduce the “reward” for low risk skills.Suggestion: Leap finisher through smoke field gives 2 secs of stealth instead of 3.Example BP + 3 HS combos:32=6 secs of stealth3-4 secs used to execute comboNet gain of 2-3 stealth after complete combo.VS.Original BP + 3 HS combos:33=9 secs of stealth3-4 secs used to execute comboNet gain of 5-6 secs of stealth after complete of combo.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/WvW-Thief-Stealth-Stacking

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Originally by: RedSpectrum.1975Posted date: February 19, 2014 07:18What: Basilisk VenomWhy: When I use it, it seems to last for .5 seconds, when they use it, it seems to last for 3 whole seconds and is therefore too stronkResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3657840

Originally by: Volrath.1473Posted date: February 19, 2014 13:01What: TrapsWhy: cuz Ranger traps look bad compaird to ours.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3658843

Originally by: Turamarth.3248Posted date: February 19, 2014 16:34What: Whirling Axe (Stolen skill)Why: It allows thieves to faceroll warriors.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Thief-stolen-Whirling-Axe-is-OPResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3659890

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: February 21, 2014 14:13What: Stealth is invisible. They should be visible.Why: Roaming on my mesmer, I stopped to look at the beautiful scenery. Out of nowhere, this mean thief backstabs me. I’d have been prepared if I saw him. If I can see ally thieves when they’re stealthed, I should also be able to see enemy thieves that are stealthed. Then I won’t be caught off guard whenever I go roaming.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3669720

Originally by: fierotecknics.5961Posted date: March 02, 2014 20:44What: #3 s/p button. All Thieves should have this key rendered inoperable.Why: “highly annoying how the actual big damage involves just one skill” “my experience with thieves has never been good” “annoying pests that just permanently dodge you” " ‘spam 3’ can get you in the top 500 soloq easily" http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1zc50j/question_current_sword_meta_for_thief/for reals yall.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3707045

Originally by: gesho.9468Posted date: March 06, 2014 15:21What: No CD on InterruptsWhy: from different thread i just learned thief init skills are not subject to usual 5sec cd once interrupted. eg if you want to disrupt d/p thief’s stealth combo, you interrupt hs, no biggies, thief can still spam hs in the same powder, interrupted hs is not put on 3sec cd, like any other prof skill would. imo thief skills should be subject to the same 3sec interruption cd as anyone else’s. otherwise thief gameplay is largely beyond informed counter.Suggestion: imo thief skills should be subject to the same 3sec interruption cd as anyone else’s.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/pvx-subject-thieves-to-regular-interrupts(Never mind the fact that we lose init if we miss, and init is sort of like a global CD/resource…. wait that’s too complicated, what am I talking about…)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3725636

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: March 07, 2014 01:19Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3728419

Originally by: I’m just trying to make the forums a cleaner place, nerf requests for thieves occur very often and sometimes flood the forums, possibly making it harder for developers to read them… so this thread was created to stop the flooding and help the devs.

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Originally by: NinjaYoshi.3429Posted date: March 07, 2014 16:00Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3731357

Originally by: NinjaYoshi.3429Posted date: March 07, 2014 16:00What: Blinding PowderWhy: One time, this Warrior hit me with Kill Shot while he was in stealth because of a Thief, and instant killed me, made my cat bite me, and stole my lunch money.Suggestion: Make it so that, instead of granting allies stealth for 3 seconds, it gives allies revealed for 3 seconds, because stealth Kill Shots are mean, and make you a bad person.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3731357

Originally by: Pedroso.4603Posted date: March 07, 2014 17:11What: Pistol WhipWhy: Due to their poor childhood, thieves were not able to eat properly and develop strong bodies, thus making it impossible for them to swing a sword so many times with only one arm without getting tired (or even lift the sword in the first place)Suggestion: Make it so that it requires two thieves together to hold the sword and properly swing it.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3731632

Originally by: NinjaEd.3946Posted date: March 07, 2014 17:04What: EvasionWhy: thief can avoid damage while evading, its not fair.Suggestion: give them wheelchairs, it’s harder to evade in a wheel chair.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3731638

Originally by: RedSpectrum.1975Posted date: March 11, 2014 03:18What: The name ‘Thief"Why: It is the shortest profession to type into the chat and therefore a team can tell their ’thiefs’ to go to point A faster than the opposing team can tell their warriors to go to point A. This is absolutely unfair.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3746394

Originally by: Chris.4527Posted date: March 24, 2014 19:46What: Shadow trait lineWhy: Too much healing. This makes thieves “god mode” in WvW/PVE roaming/small man groups. Just stealth, reset fight whenever – or just cnd and heal 1500 hp whenever. A year and a half into this game, yet this very broken trait line still exists.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Why-hasn-t-S-Arts-been-nerfed-yetResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3805261

Originally by: LegendaryLukeee.1462Posted date: March 24, 2014 19:46What: Initiative RegenWhy: Hopefully you guys fix when thief’s are chilled they have 66% slower initiative gain. Kinda bs that they are immune to a type of condition.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Chill-and-thiefs/first

I’m not sure why I got infracted last time I posted. I’m not mocking anyone or being rude or anything. I’m just collecting all the nerf requests in one place. If you feel that any of what I repost is some how in violation of the terms of conduct, I’ve provided by who it’s originally by and the thread they posted it, feel free to infract them for it.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3805261

Originally by: mrmadhaze.8706Posted date: March 31, 2014 17:49What: Shortbow#1Why: OP against mesmers.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Thief-Needs-Drastic-Changes/first#post3838657Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3838957

Originally by: Zacchary.6183Posted date: April 08, 2014 03:22What: Theef buttcapesWhy: Theef only class that don’t look like crap with a buttcape.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3869627

Originally by: Klonko.8341Posted date: April 13, 2014 15:32What: Cloak and dagger on pet, and Healing Seed (Stolen ranger skill)Why: As a main ranger, i find really frustrating that cloak and dagger works on pets… its like a free stealth mechanism on top of the already OP F1 they get when stealing from ranger.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Cloak-and-dagger-on-petResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3890115

Originally by: Leeto.1570Posted date: April 20, 2014 20:05What: Thief Mobility!Why: As a many necro, the thief mobility its a problem for me. I can kill the thief spamming scepter autoattacks.(https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/pvp/Thief-requires-serious-redesign/first#post3932590) But the thief come back quickly!!! PLS nerf.Suggestion: Maybe 3s autostun after a TP, or permasnare or better, quit the shortbow and give the thief a walker or a wheelchair!Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/pvp/Thief-requires-serious-redesignResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3932904

Originally by: Juston.6817Posted date: April 21, 2014 08:54Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3935097

Originally by: Juston.6817Posted date: April 21, 2014 08:54What: All Theefs in pvp.Why: if there are no theefs in in game you play one way and if there is thief you have to play completely different. Let’s remove them, cause the game would be much more easier to play and need no skill……..Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/pvp/Thief-requires-serious-redesignResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3935097

Originally by: Katran.9186Posted date: April 21, 2014 19:53What: The fact that mesmer’s power block trait no longer locks thief’s ini skills.Why: Because locking skills is the only way skillbased! That's important! to outplay a good thief in a duel of glasscannons.Also: That “hotfix” was a ridiculous buff for a thief. No other profession had such.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3937570

Originally by: Scribbles.3974Posted date: April 22, 2014 23:36Why: because they appear to be breaking some kind of barrier within the world that makes them all glossy when they dodge, its really op and it makes it hard for other people to even see them, dey jhust too kitten fayust mang!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3944137

Originally by: that baby stealing dingo.7216Posted date: April 23, 2014 03:02What: Tripwire trapWhy: If you accidentally walk into it, it knocks you down! Then I have to kill the thief while laying on my back.Suggestion: Make it so I can carefully step over tripwire like in movies, and not have to go around it.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3944869

Originally by: sternenstaub.8763Posted date: April 23, 2014 10:10What: Thief downstateWhy: It is annoying to have to stomp every single thief, all the time. It’s just not funny anymore.They attack, I retaliate. They go invis, I drop my wells. They go down. Takes so long to stomp them every time and is just plain annoying and a timewaste. Please take away thief downstate, it’s not like they have a chance to get up anyhow.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3945883

Originally by: P Fun Daddy.1208Posted date: April 24, 2014 16:29What: Thief Shadowsteps working despite immobilize.Why: I immobilize the thieves so that they stop moving, they should just be forced to take it because if I land a single immobilize skill I obviously deserve the kill.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Infilrators-skills-break-immobilize/first#post3950140Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3951953

Originally by: Impact.2780Posted date: April 25, 2014 17:56What: Back-stab build with condition runes.Why: You can’t anticipate it because it’s such a nonsense combination, making it nearly impossible to recover from.Suggestion: Thief OP with runes that compliment the build, and with runes that don’t. Rune slots should be disabled for thieves.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/New-rune-of-the-krait-backstab-cheese/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/3956523

Originally by: Eviscera.9703Posted date: May 08, 2014 22:27What: P/D thiefsWhy: P/D thiefs with permanents torment and kittenloads of confusion and condi mesmers with perma stealthing with every condition in the game. Are these fun mechanics?Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Conditions-are-killing-the-fun/firstZero Day.2594:Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4004604

Originally by: Arganthium.5638Posted date: July 04, 2014 22:10What: Power of InertiaWhy: Honestly, X/X/X/30/30 S/D thieves have so many “natural” evades (evades that burn endurance) through Feline Grace, Vigorous Recovery and Bountiful Theft that the fact that you’re able to get might for 15 seconds at base per dodge is absolutely absurd. When you’re getting stacks of might for nearly half a minute from a single dodge, then that’s stepping way out of bounds. 10 stacks of might computes to more than a 16% damage boost in direct damage alone which lasts a period of almost half a minute and doesn’t require a lot of conditions to fulfill outside of dodging frequently, which you should be doing anyways (and this damage buff is to a build that’s pretty good already). Combined with Fluid Strikes, this is an extremely large buff to your overall damage, especially just for being an adept trait, and as a result this single Adept trait contributes to a very easy-to-play thief play style which is becoming increasingly frequent in today’s meta.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Thief-Nerf-Power-of-InertiaResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4175655

Originally by: Spathis.7540Posted date: July 04, 2014 22:50Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4175734

Originally by: Spathis.7540Posted date: July 04, 2014 22:50What: Ninja outfitWhy: Because it makes thieves look good!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4175734

Originally by: gartz.7013Posted date: July 21, 2014 17:35Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4224662

Originally by: gartz.7013Posted date: July 21, 2014 17:35What: S/d thievesWhy: because its been the same since the start of the game and anything new a thief does is a threat to anyone and everyoneResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4224662

Originally by: Quakeman.9378Posted date: July 23, 2014 00:34What: Scorpion WireWhy: I’m so sick of getting pulled off walls into an enemy zerg like omgResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4228931

Originally by: AlCojester.4316Posted date: July 23, 2014 01:25What: MovementWhy: Thieves shouldn’t be allowed to move while in combat. It is 100% impossible for anyone to even touch a thief while duelling. They already have stealth so cutting off their ability to move would balance everything.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4229001

Originally by: alchemyst.2165Posted date: July 23, 2014 04:05What: Weapon SkillsWhy: Thieves should not allowed to have weapon skills theyre too op and need to goResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4229237

Originally by: ricky.2679Posted date: July 23, 2014 11:13What: Initiative, Zerker amulet, Evades, Stealth, TeleportsWhy: Because I’m sick of running out while spamming teleports and pistolwhip and then dying. Then I get accused of being a noob spammer who needs to L2P. Even though I don’t rely on stealth and just evade spam. Also nerf zerker cause I like playing thief soldier amulet bunker with signets and pop them for all like 20 stacks of might. And nerf Daggerstorm too cause I don’t deserve to tank everybody with signet of malice even though they all abuse AI builds.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4229979

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: August 13, 2014 09:21What: Basilisk venomWhy: almost every thief in PvP will choose this as their utility. Since it’s the mainstream choice, it must be OP. Nevermind the fact that Thieves’ Guild and Dancing Dagger are both too long of a cooldown to be reliable in short fights – that’s no excuse to favor an OP skill. Basilisk Venom should have a 30% chance of backfiring and stunning the thief while being applied. Logically, how is a thief supposed to get the venom on their weapon in the middle of dodging, running, being OP while stealthing, etc. and not get some on their own skin?And while we’re at it, It should also add torment and confusion damage to the thief. It makes sense.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4288611

Originally by: ricky.2679Posted date: August 20, 2014 16:10What: Thief MobilityWhy: Isn’t it obvious thieves move too much in combat and teleport and evade all over the place. This makes it hard for other classes to 1shot their health. The solution is simple nerf all of thieves teleports increasing the initiative cost. Also add huge aftercasts to every thief skill so they can be sitting ducks for all the passive no skill classes to kill.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Thief-combat-mobility-is-too-much/page/3#post4313421Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4313672

Originally by: shinigamith.7120Posted date: August 20, 2014 16:55What: what?: Dagger Cleave

Why: why?: They don’t have it yet but it already ruin the game

Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4313868

Originally by: Klonko.8341Posted date: September 24, 2014 03:15What: Shadow refuge.Why: I mean everybody cry over thief excess stealth. But I don’t think their strenght is there… The real pain is Thief continuous reset ability. And what allow it? -> shadow refuge… I cant count the number of time I dueled Thief and they shadow refuge 5 to 10 times in a duel… And they finally get a lucky strike and win the duel… If the thief is playing badly he should be punished by not having a panic button ready to save his kitten every 45 sec.Suggestion: You would say it would be the end of thief right? No, I would gladly revert lots of unneeded change for this. Thief should go in the line with all those zerker profession and not stay low risk high reward profession.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Shadow-refuge-nerf/first#post4437467Side Note: This one is special. Firstly, notice that he is actually compenstating for the nerf. More importantly, notice with what. “Unneeded changes”. So if they were “unneeded”, why wouldn’t they just revert them with having to trade for them? I think this is a pretty clever attempt by the poster.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4440509

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: September 25, 2014 22:31What: Dagger StormWhy: It reflects rapid fire. Rangers have been on the receiving end of unwarranted hate for so long, and the obvious culprit must be thieves, since thieves are dangerously OP. So thieves shouldn’t be able to counter the new buff to rapid fire, and should just accept balance and die a horrible, horrible, death. Because everyone hates thieves.^I feel like a hunted criminal in WvW nowadays since almost every roaming ranger pops rapid fire the very second they see me.I miss fighting the graceful sword/x rangers in WvW. Where are they? They were so rare before, but now they’re like extinct…Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4445672

Originally by: lorndarken.3702Posted date: October 02, 2014 04:35What: StealthWhy: ?Suggestion: allow mesmers , thieves to stay in it for as long as they want to . the moment they are attacked or attack they can not re enter stealth for 5 mins . so no in combat stealth , other penalties towards stealth is movement speed reduction by 30 % so that you have to be smart when you do come out of stealth but cant just run up to anybody while in it , you have to decide when to be in stealth smartly for ambushes or getting behind enemy lines .bonus damages for thief using skills in stealth would be raised 25% in effectiveness ,as for mesmers their boons or ports duration last longer by 25% so everyone can be effective .this is mainly towards wvw and pvp . as for pve keep it the way it is .Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/here-is-what-i-would-do-with-stealth/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4460273

Originally by: Arikyali.5804Posted date: October 02, 2014 11:07What: StealthWhy: It is apparently still OP. And…I must be a troll who didn’t like the various nerfs that took me away from total god/goddess mode… (god/dess? Or god-like? Meh.)Yelloweyedemon.2860:Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4460713

Originally by: Rentapest.6503Posted date: October 08, 2014 19:21What: Backstab and other “stealth burst” skills.Why: I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous! I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam.Suggestion: This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so. This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Backstab-Needs-a-Cooldown/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4474521

Originally by: yolo swaggins.2570Posted date: October 09, 2014 02:30What: Nerf Wish List Thief MainsWhy: Their tears keep killing me with amusement.Suggestion: Forum ban all Thief mains.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/page/8#post4475123Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4475209

Originally by: glock.6590Posted date: October 24, 2014 14:57What: Shadow arts.Why: From a main thief, when I see SA thieves in PvP it just kittens me off.1- SA players are useless because they deal low damage and cant cap while in stealth2- any player that uses the SA trait line becomes bad so its unhealty for the game3- sitting in stealth forever should not be rewarding because its poor gameplayShadow arts makes the thief the most faceroll class in the game. and everytime I see an SA thief I feel like deleting my thief due to how shameful that build is.Suggestion: Shadow arts needs to be removed. OR. Solution, shadow rejuvanation now only heals for 20 hp per second, so if you wanna heal you would need Healing power gearThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Shadow-arts-needs-to-be-removed/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4512218

Originally by: Sensotix.4106Posted date: November 02, 2014 03:30What: StealWhy: Summary of steal when using the current thief build (30 0 10 0 30)1) 1.244 dmg (usually more)2) 2 boons stolen (priority on stability)3) giving these boons to you and nearby allies in a radius of 2404) grants vigor for 10 seconds5) grants you and allies in a radius of 360 fury for around 10 sec6) grants you and allies in a radius of 360 swiftness for around 10 sec (and 1 might stack)7) heals you for 2.0408) puts poison on the enemy for 13 seconds9) dazes the target (which goes through stab because its first priority on boons removed)10) when using the current backstab build with panic strike it afflicts weakness for 51/4 sec on the enemy11) recharges all skills of one type (traps, venoms etc)12) gives you 2 initiative13) has a 900 range14) is instacast15) can even be casted if you cannot even port to the target currently because he is on an obstacle (effects still proc)16) only has 21 1/2 seconds cooldown17) ports to the target (instant gapcloser)18) you get a skill that in most cases counters your enemy for a certain amount of timeCan you not see how this is utterly broken?To be honest I don’t acually mind having such a thing on thief because thief requires at lot of skill to be played competetively but the problem is that even tho the thief uses a lot of trait points to improve his “steal” ability in order to improve his survivability he still deals a ridiculous amount of dmg by double procs (air-fire, fire-blood)Suggestion: 1.) Add counterplay to steal (you can only predict it atm)2.) Remove some effects of steal – or – nerf double procs but make up for the nerfs by buffing other things on classes (not thief) that rely on these procs to have sustained dmgThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Steal-is-too-strong-needs-adjustmentsResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4531996

Originally by: Aylpse.6280Posted date: November 11, 2014 02:51What: CaltropsWhy: Caltrops dont break stealth, allowing a condi thief to rack up absurd bleeds and other condis via doom(sigil) and Krait runes. Without breaking stealth.Please tell me this is an exploit. This is kittened.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Exploit-Caltrops/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4553127

Originally by: Rin.1046Posted date: November 11, 2014 12:38What: TearsWhy: They flow too freelyResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4553873

Originally by: Phoebe Ascension.8437Posted date: November 11, 2014 15:36What: Thief abscenseWhy: Would make the game to boring without thief. So let’s nerf Thief’s Abscense!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4554265

Originally by: (Both)

Posted date: November 11, 2014 21:16What: StealthWhy: I think based on his thread, he wants feedback on steatlh, like when he hits a stealthed person it should reveal them and such. He fails to provide any real change for balance, instead it’s just another whine thread.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Suggestions-for-stealth-mechanic/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4555014

Originally by: (Both)

Posted date: November 11, 2014 21:16What: Heartseeker (+swiftness), Infiltrator Arrow, Infiltrator’s Signet, Infiltrator’s Strike, Shadowstep, Steal (untargeted), and many moreWhy: I just realized that stealth is not the problem. thieves have too many movement skillsThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Suggestions-for-stealth-mechanic/first#post4552269

I was really debating putting this guy up here… since it’s not really labeled for thieves, until his later post… Plus his post overall is just comic, and i responded to it with the same humor (in the original thread).Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4555014

Originally by: Hepatolith.6389Posted date: November 12, 2014 13:24What: Female human t3-armorWhy: you get distracted too easy by the underboob! >:(Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4556497

Originally by: Rin.1046Posted date: November 12, 2014 15:17What: TrehaerneWhy: He’s a thief. He stole my Personal Story.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4556706

Originally by: BlackBeard.2873Posted date: November 18, 2014 16:54What: Shadow RefugeWhy: Because it’s too strong.Suggestion: How to make shadow refuge slightly more balanced (pick some, not all)

Originally by: Chewablesleeptablet.3185Posted date: November 18, 2014 16:58What: StealWhy: A lot of skills these days are getting telegraphs because of OP problems. Steal does many things when traited: daze, rip and steal boons, stealth, and damageIt seems to be unblockable as well.No other profession has a skill that can do this much crippling damage to a player. Mesmer has moa which is unblockable but it is also an elite.At least give steal a tell so people can dodge it , maybe even a slower teleport that shows a trail or how about change the skill so it can only be used in melee( makes perfect sense to add a tiny bit of realism into a fantasy game) . So far its just luck and uncanny anticipation. Anet nerfed point blank shot, so why not this?Suggestion: Steal needs to be telegraphedThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Steal-needs-to-be-telegraphed/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4568962

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: November 19, 2014 02:01What: Shadow RefugeeWhy: So it’s totally unfair when a thief uses SR as a decoy for AoE fields. As in the thief drops down SR but doesn’t enter it – maybe instead they use another stealth skill – leaving the SR field empty and people will AoE the empty field. This is totally not fair, an SR should be changed/nerf.Suggestion: Make the center (where the little house icon is) of the SR field be “attached” to the thief, as in it will move the whole field with the thief.

This clever idea was brought up by Corvette.5687,https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/How-to-make-SR-more-Balanced/first#post4567874I can just foresee this being complained about some time in the future, when they start to figure out it’s sometimes empty… But first they have to figure it out! (might take some time)Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4570437

Originally by: Sadrien.3470Posted date: November 19, 2014 21:28What: Nerf a popular trait and Buff on thief trait but don’t tell anyone about it except me and dont make the tooltips show it.Why: Metas are lame removing them is good (jk, they will always exist) and i am so bad at thief i need the secret buff of like perhaps 300% dps :PResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4572661

Originally by: Sadrien.3470Posted date: November 19, 2014 21:34What: StealWhy/How: Thieves dont deserve to get all boons from my mes they already hard counter him. Mesmers are masters of deception give us what the thief tries to steal instead because we tricked them. Or better Reverse the entire effect of steal onto the thief because we manipulated their mind. It makes perfect sense right?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4572671

Originally by: TheBlackLeech.9360Posted date: November 20, 2014 05:29What: Thieves and Rune of the KraitWhy: Thieves are able to trigger the 6/6 Rune of the Krait and stack a massive amount of condi without ever coming unstealthed. Makes for a pretty unfair fight.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/balance/Thieves-and-Rune-of-the-Krait/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4573564

Originally by: Zero Day.2594Posted date: November 23, 2014 19:54Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4580989

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: December 11, 2014 02:28What: RevealWhy: This will largely reduce the ammount of invis spamming happening. Currently 3 seconds in game ticks is nothing and you can easily dodge and cloak and dagger you opponent as if no time has passed.By making it 6 seconds, we wont make invisibility unreliable but rather a more tactical skill than a spammable one.Suggestion: Increase reveal uptime to 6 seconds.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4617915

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: December 11, 2014 02:28What: BackstabWhy: Currently in world vs world, a thief on food with might stacks can easily crit up to 14- 16k on a target with high toughness. By reducing this by 25% we drop it into the 10- 12k range.Quite a reasonable nerf that still allows the class to quickly burst down most light armoured enemies.Suggestion: Nerf backstab damage by 25%Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4617915

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: December 11, 2014 02:28What: Vigor and SwiftnessWhy: Thieves have access to what is easily the highest swiftness up time. You’d also be lucky to find a thief that isn’t running acro + trickery for 100% vigor up time.By reducing the vigor on heal to 4 seconds and bountiful thefts vigour to 6 seconds.This would mean you still have 50% vigor up time.Swiftness would also be reduced to that you only gain swiftness on every dodge roll when you have 30 in acro.Suggestion: Greatly decrease vigor and swiftness uptime.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4617915

Originally by: Peow peow.2189Posted date: December 11, 2014 02:28What: Condition cleansing abilityWhy: Thieves easily have the highest and fastest condition cleansing speed.With Condition cleanse happening every time you heal as well as every time you become invisible – its hard for us to stack condis on you.Change this so that you only cleanse 1 condition on heal and 1 when entering invisibility.To counter these changes i propose these buffs.Suggestion: Reduce condition cleansing abilityThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/SIck-of-thieves/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4617915

Originally by: Belarorn.9062Posted date: December 11, 2014 06:13Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4618201

Originally by: Belarorn.9062Posted date: December 11, 2014 06:13What: StealthWhy: 1. Because it’s annoying that I can’t roll a thief and not play it the way i want. ie not with Stealth. Currently however Stealth is too OP for any other builds to really be viable and if you play a thief without Stealth goodluck getting anywhere with it. I mean maybe S/D SB builds but even they rely on SR and CnD

  1. Because of fight reset. you can solo a thief and if he is dying or gets bored he can just pop SR or anyone of hundreds of other stealth combos, wait 3s in it and restart with full HP and All CD’s. Meanwhile Wwe are still in combat maybe with some condi’s still on us for the thief to comeback to and toy with at his pleasureSuggestion: Rduce # of ways to get into stealth. Currently there are 2 reveal skills, rnager has 1 and Engi has 1 both with longish CD’s 30ish seconds. On any thief build there are as many as I dunno 10 ways of getting into stealth a few of them spammable (yes im looking at you Blackpowder heartseeker). Therefore to balance stealth either we need more reveals or less ways to get into stealth. BTW Revelas are 6s long. I believe that stealth should be something that only becomes super OP when you have to trait heavily into it while sacrificing other things like dmg or surviveabilty. Currently you can trait like 4 deep and have stealth reset fights for you. I dont think this is fair. Now im just waiting for people to tell me to L2P. bows Thank you!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4618201

Originally by: pepper.6179Posted date: December 14, 2014 21:21What: thief sword stab, http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stab_Why: its too opI watched as a thief constantly spammed it on me and i could do was run to corner of my room and cry because I couldn’t bare the fact that i was so scared I couldn’t just press v to get away.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4625095

Originally by: pepper.6179Posted date: December 14, 2014 21:31Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4625105

Originally by: pepper.6179Posted date: December 14, 2014 21:31What: teefs with toilet paper and rotten eggsWhy: I start laughing my butt offhow does one counter such a powerful tactic?Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4625105

Originally by: Allandir.6289Posted date: December 14, 2014 21:41What: Thief dmg (and underboob)Why: Bcs Thief can deal dmgResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4625116

Originally by: arenta.2953Posted date: February 16, 2015 00:45What: Nerf WvW stealth spamWhy: theres literally no way to kill these people 1 on 1.i’ve used stealth trap. they warped out of rangei’ve tried to maximize dmg to them the 3 secounds they visible. they dissapeared in 1 secound(i thought we FIXED the render issue)seriously….this is getting annoying.i cant even immobilize them because they lose conditions when stealthed, so just walk out of my vines.Suggestion: can we plz remove the horribly long time it takes to put down a stealth trap?that alone would go a long way to fix this problem…..without kitten ing thief in pve or sPvPThread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-WvW-stealth-spam/firstResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4799460

Originally by: Alchemist.3692Posted date: February 18, 2015 21:10What: ArmourWhy: I don’t understand why you need armour if you’re always going to stealth anyway? Or at least have armor that doesn’t allow you to add runes, they make it even more OP.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4807504

Originally by: Alchemist.3692Posted date: February 18, 2015 21:10What: Sigils for ThievesWhy: Flame blast aoe, lightning, etc make the thief way stronger than they already are. Lets do something like the Ferocity nerf so that only thieves would be impacted by them.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4807504

Originally by: Querini.6918Posted date: February 21, 2015 14:51Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4816190

Originally by: Querini.6918Posted date: February 21, 2015 14:51What: /Why: remove noobs (or newbies?) spending more time crying on forum than learning how to deal with thief. Why do you play gw2 if you dont like this game (maybe only pvp/wvw) and you dont want to learn it (by that i mean your class and also other classes, their mechanics etc etc)eg Belarorn.9062’s post:Hop on the Nerf Train!What: StealthWhy: 1. Because it’s annoying that I can’t roll a thief and not play it the way i want. ie not with Stealth. Currently however Stealth is too OP for any other builds to really be viable and if you play a thief without Stealth goodluck getting anywhere with it. I mean maybe S/D SB builds but even they rely on SR and CnD

  1. Because of fight reset. you can solo a thief and if he is dying or gets bored he can just pop SR or anyone of hundreds of other stealth combos, wait 3s in it and restart with full HP and All CD’s. Meanwhile Wwe are still in combat maybe with some condi’s still on us for the thief to comeback to and toy with at his pleasureSuggestion: Rduce # of ways to get into stealth. Currently there are 2 reveal skills, rnager has 1 and Engi has 1 both with longish CD’s 30ish seconds. On any thief build there are as many as I dunno 10 ways of getting into stealth a few of them spammable (yes im looking at you Blackpowder heartseeker). Therefore to balance stealth either we need more reveals or less ways to get into stealth. BTW Revelas are 6s long. I believe that stealth should be something that only becomes super OP when you have to trait heavily into it while sacrificing other things like dmg or surviveabilty. Currently you can trait like 4 deep and have stealth reset fights for you. I dont think this is fair. Now im just waiting for people to tell me to L2P. bows Thank you!Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4816190

Originally by: Odyssey.2613Posted date: February 21, 2015 18:47What: RevealedWhy: It is too under powered and weak. It doesn’t last long enough.Suggestion: It should last longer so I can get 2 full Point Blank Shot, Rapid Fire, & Long Range Shot rotations in. It’s not fair when I’m on a roll and beaming Thieves from ranges in excess of 1,500+ to have to stop when they use their cowardly 1,200 range escape shadow step.Not only that but every class should have a mechanic similar to Revealed, but for different trait lines.For example:Warriors get “Weakling” on their shouts that makes all Deadly Arts traits into Liberal Arts, meaning all the traits are now random despite what you have selected.Mesmers get “Dumbfounded” which means all clones and phantasms can body block and Theives can no longer land critical hits.Elementalists get “Exhaustion” that means all Boons and Vitality is set to base and any endurance starts to drain instead of regenerate. Any dodges used creates a negative regen pool.Guardians get “Unfavored” which means Magic Find is set to base and 1 T-Shirt of Colin Johanson holding a Guardian icon is sent to your home or place of business.Necromancers get “Macabre” where all steal and conditions are set to base and any time you hit a Necro you get inflicted with 1s of Fear.We don’t know everything about Revenants yet so this is just speculation, but I think it should go something like:Revenants get “Mistified” which means Thieves can no longer slip in and out of phase, disabling any and all Shadow Stepping abilities.Resurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4816710

Originally by: Invoker.5462Posted date: March 10, 2015 21:53What: Skill cap reduced/nerfed – Playing well should incur a handicap.Why: It’s readily apparent that a HUGE population of theives have no idea that they are contributing very little to the team, and in many cases actually think their far tactics or lord rushing (into death) are actually helping the team.On the flipside, when thieves are actually good. They are too good, and incite confusion among the general playerbase. “How can he dodge that many times?” “Is it really fair that he can bypass the down mechanic by going invisible?”Short answer is, yes its fair, but the profession, when played well is in need of a nerf. Lets step back for a second and look at a class with an even higher skill ceiling, the Mesmer.Now a mesmer, when played well, finds itself in weaker position than a well played theif, yet is harder to play to its full potential. Can you respect a mesmer who plays well? I know i sure can. On the other hand, a theif who play’s well almost seems to be abusing several rotations that allow it to be nearly unkillable. It feels cheesy to fight a well played theif, not like the mesmer who just tricked the hell outa me.So on both end of the spectrum, bad and good theives are toxic to this community, the profession should have never been added to the game, but since it’s here it really needs to be reworked.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Thieves-are-toxic-to-this-community-pvpResurrected from: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/4866229

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Originally by: Cynz.9437Posted date: March 11, 2015 00:44What: Thief’s walking ability.Why: i wonder if we wrote here “jump off the cliff”, would they do it too?Suggestion: Thieves should constantly move in a direction of an edge of a cliff, regardless of where the camera is pointing and which keys they press. When at the edge of the cliff, the thief will proceed to jump off.Thread: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/page/9#post4866555

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@Fipmip.7219 said:jesus christ imagine if every nerf on this list was made real

Some have, like the choking gas one...https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/firsthttps://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/first#post3309034

A bigger project would be to link and see how many nerfs actually happened.

Dodges have been nerfed pre-HoT. Though that was more to sell the DD. But nonetheless, packed up the dodges in such a way that you have to own an expansion + have the elite spec active just to get back to what old Feline's Grace (RiP) was.

Makes me wonder, did they gut any of the trait lines just before the PoF release?

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Originally by: Elementalist Owner.7802What: Death's JudgementWhy: Just want to thank whoever thought of the brilliant idea of putting a one-shot kill ability into an open world PvP battleground where fights can have dozens of players on each side and where everyone has at least 10 skills on their bar. It has created such interactive gameplay, such as getting literally one-shotted through 3300 armor and 25k health. I'm having fun just thinking about it! Thanks balance team!Thread: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/19926/deadeye-is-totally-balanced-you-guys

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