Hey, wanna hear a joke? (Replenishing Despair)

[Kain Francois.4328]

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/index.php?title=Replenishing_Despair

Incoming conditions heal you for 126 hp when inflicted. 1s cd.

top tier trait #420 roflmao

Serious talk: This trait is bad. Discuss why it has existed in this state for over 3 years.

[ArthurDent.9538]

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Steadfast_Rejuvenation

About the same amount of hp/s except it is a "Major Grandmaster" trait instead of adept.

[Za Shaloc.3908]

Yeah, this trait is a waste of space. I'd consider it more if it didn't have the 1s ICD.

[Street Peddler.2638]

renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

[The Ace.9105]

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

But renegade is fine for pvp.

[Milan.9035]

@The Ace.9105 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

But renegade is fine for pvp.

Fine is relative

[The Ace.9105]

@Milan.9035 said:

@The Ace.9105 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

But renegade is fine for pvp.

Fine is relative

Or skill dependent.

[Clownmug.8357]

Its name describes what happens when you believe proper balance is coming one day, then you see traits like this still exist.

[Nightmare.1234]

all the traits in the adept tier of mallyx are pretty bad, but mainly because they have no synergy outside of mallyx. the whole trait line as suffered since the original design of the class was to keep conditions on yourself but then they remembered other classes can clean your condis without you wanting them too. if mallyx had been an elite spec it would of got something like kallas fevour as a unique buff where it gets a stack on incoming conditions allowing a power ramp up as more conditions come in. would of been great with pain absorption pulling condis off ppl.

[Kain Francois.4328]

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

[Brynioch.1873]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

Retribution could also use some changes. Like the grandmaster trait posted.

[Street Peddler.2638]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

@"Street Peddler.2638" said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

"some modes" being very specific raid instances and nowhere else. thats a really bad place for an "elite" spec.

[The Ace.9105]

@Street Peddler.2638 said:

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

"some modes" being very specific raid instances and nowhere else. thats a really bad place for an "elite" spec.

It works pretty fine in pvp too if you know how to play it.

[Kain Francois.4328]

@Street Peddler.2638 said:

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

"some modes" being very specific raid instances and nowhere else. thats a really bad place for an "elite" spec.

Open World and Fractals it does amazing.

[narcx.3570]

@Street Peddler.2638 said:

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

"some modes" being very specific raid instances and nowhere else. thats a really bad place for an "elite" spec.

Snowcrows ranks dps Renegade as Meta (meaning the best possible choice for a fight) in 3 raid encounters and "Good" in 8... Making it a strong choice for 11/19 encounters. This is currently more than any other dps build except Deadeye, Daredevil, and Holosmith--and has the most viability of any of the condi-dps builds by a solid margin (Mirage having the second most: meta on 4 bosses and good on 3.)

Now obviously, snow crows isn't the be-all-end-all of what classes work in a given situation, and anything can work anywhere... BUT, their rankings do make for a quick and easy reference for the effectiveness of a given spec through an elitist, topdps lens, and are more citable than me just going, "Nah bro, it's good in raidz!"

Some "elite" specs aren't usable at all in raids if you use this as a standard, and many are good tier in only 1-3 fights (and meta on none), which makes Renegade a worthwhile investment by comparison. I think what you should mean by "[renegade's in] a really bad place for an elite spec" is that it's terrible in sPvP, which is probably the only game mode that you care about.

[Kain Francois.4328]

@Street Peddler.2638 said:

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

@Street Peddler.2638 said:renegade has existed in its current state for over a year so :#

Renegade is good in some modes though. Really good, like really good.

Corruption is what needs a rework. At least the adept tier.

"some modes" being very specific raid instances and nowhere else. thats a really bad place for an "elite" spec.

I want to add onto the anti-circle jerk against this claim: Renegade is OP.

• Darkrazor's Daring is 600 breakbar dmg on a 12s cd

• Soulcleave Summit is one of the strong heals in the game, and doesn't require healing power investment It's also a very nice dps boost.

• Alacrity

• Easy 15 stacks of Might onto allies, using Heroic Command (more important for 5man content)

• Near pema vigor due to minor traits as long as you swap weapons off cd with invocation or attack a foe under 50% hp

Yeah, it's not the best for PvP, but everywhere else it is fantastic.

[Buran.3796]

@Kain Francois.4328 said:

Yeah, it's not the best for PvP, but everywhere else it is fantastic.

Is very bad in WvW, and in open PvE I would run any Herald variant (mele or rannged) over any Renegade build. So outside of PvE raids and maybe fractals (maybe due burst damage works better in fractals instead of damage over time), I see no use for the spec. The short bow is also the only Revenant weapon with no mobility skills and the only short bow in the game with no defensive tools. To me is the least used spec in the game.

[narcx.3570]

@"Buran.3796" said:The short bow is also the only Revenant weapon with no mobility skills and the only short bow in the game with no defensive tools.

Hammer and Shield say, "Haaaaaaaaaaaaay..."

[Buran.3796]

^ But both provide defense, which short bow lacks, and albeit the hammer doesn't truly change your placement the Phase Smash go & back teleport is consistent with the other weapons moving you through the mist (swords, axe, staff... ). Also, short bow's only link with the lore of the mist is the portals which opens to shoot the arrows (which are unnecesary due arrows already move themselves) and which ended being detrimental (because how badly the interact with the landscape and against mobile targets).

At the end the spec is severely handicaped for PvP/wVw by the fact that was designed to be used against the raid dps golem; everything in the Renegade is static and anchored in the ground.