kash.9213 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@kash.9213 said:@babazhook.6805 said:I tried the Severance/celerity Combo in my s/p build. This build is DE/acro/tr. Scorpion wire traited.Try it out it a blast. You can easily trait up M7 now instead of BqoBk. SW is two added interrupts with a pull and cleanse in under 20 seconds. With SOH and the PW there a whole lot of interrupts going on and you get the sweet kickin of INI on Mali 7. Great combo for s/p.I've been using Scorpion Wire for awhile now anyway since I have a lot of fun with it on my underwater build, it's nice when a patch throws you a bone once in awhile. I like that combo also, Severance had been nice already but the synergy now with with new slot items and gear/traits/stats frees up a few builds, some of the sustain options are crazy though.I've ended up using celerity on rifle to set up a quickness spike with binding shadows tbh, seems to work well in longer fights once you've used bqobk spikes to waste a few cd's with S/P and starting the fight with 10s+ of quickness just from mark is excellent. I like the extra precision from bqobk and severance sigil tho, pretty sure the extra 20% crit chance from that outdamages M7 over time with more frequent 12-15k pistol whips. I'm likely to take Celerity sigil and BQoBK together because that sounds like not as much work as other choices maybe, along with Severance that's a tight combo of stats and effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babazhook.6805 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@kash.9213 said:@babazhook.6805 said:I tried the Severance/celerity Combo in my s/p build. This build is DE/acro/tr. Scorpion wire traited.Try it out it a blast. You can easily trait up M7 now instead of BqoBk. SW is two added interrupts with a pull and cleanse in under 20 seconds. With SOH and the PW there a whole lot of interrupts going on and you get the sweet kickin of INI on Mali 7. Great combo for s/p.I've been using Scorpion Wire for awhile now anyway since I have a lot of fun with it on my underwater build, it's nice when a patch throws you a bone once in awhile. I like that combo also, Severance had been nice already but the synergy now with with new slot items and gear/traits/stats frees up a few builds, some of the sustain options are crazy though.I've ended up using celerity on rifle to set up a quickness spike with binding shadows tbh, seems to work well in longer fights once you've used bqobk spikes to waste a few cd's with S/P and starting the fight with 10s+ of quickness just from mark is excellent. I like the extra precision from bqobk and severance sigil tho, pretty sure the extra 20% crit chance from that outdamages M7 over time with more frequent 12-15k pistol whips. Given I have a High Boon duration build I am not so concerned about the quickness oof Bqobk. The boon load from Mali 7 includes fury/swiftness along with 10 migh stacks which last long onto the next mali 7 load. While I do use rifle as the second weapon I am not using stealth on dodge trait prefering premed as I sually have 6+ boons. The power of the Might from mali 7 is better than the power add off the Bqobk and my precision already pushes 90 percent. (with always on fury pluse severance kick in)I do dump Malice and that +7 INI from a mali 7 kick in puts it over the top.My quickness sources are celerity , Burst of agility and Haste which doubles as condition cleanse and stunbreak giving me 9secs plus 11secs plus 11 secs every 24 seconds so BqoBk becomes redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugglemonkey.8741 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 @babazhook.6805 said:@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@kash.9213 said:@babazhook.6805 said:I tried the Severance/celerity Combo in my s/p build. This build is DE/acro/tr. Scorpion wire traited.Try it out it a blast. You can easily trait up M7 now instead of BqoBk. SW is two added interrupts with a pull and cleanse in under 20 seconds. With SOH and the PW there a whole lot of interrupts going on and you get the sweet kickin of INI on Mali 7. Great combo for s/p.I've been using Scorpion Wire for awhile now anyway since I have a lot of fun with it on my underwater build, it's nice when a patch throws you a bone once in awhile. I like that combo also, Severance had been nice already but the synergy now with with new slot items and gear/traits/stats frees up a few builds, some of the sustain options are crazy though.I've ended up using celerity on rifle to set up a quickness spike with binding shadows tbh, seems to work well in longer fights once you've used bqobk spikes to waste a few cd's with S/P and starting the fight with 10s+ of quickness just from mark is excellent. I like the extra precision from bqobk and severance sigil tho, pretty sure the extra 20% crit chance from that outdamages M7 over time with more frequent 12-15k pistol whips. Given I have a High Boon duration build I am not so concerned about the quickness oof Bqobk. The boon load from Mali 7 includes fury/swiftness along with 10 migh stacks which last long onto the next mali 7 load. While I do use rifle as the second weapon I am not using stealth on dodge trait prefering premed as I sually have 6+ boons. The power of the Might from mali 7 is better than the power add off the Bqobk and my precision already pushes 90 percent. (with always on fury pluse severance kick in)I do dump Malice and that +7 INI from a mali 7 kick in puts it over the top.My quickness sources are celerity , Burst of agility and Haste which doubles as condition cleanse and stunbreak giving me 9secs plus 11secs plus 11 secs every 24 seconds so BqoBk becomes redundant.That's a pretty good point actually, I was using thrill of the crime still as I prefer how the boons from that and bqobk are more deliberate than burst of agility so it's easier to time with when I try to burst something. I'll try it your way later today. I'm using mercy over haste, gives me up to 10 ini back which I find great for following up a knockdown and DJ with multiple three round burst uses at range and a second quickness spike which is pretty strong combined with swindler's equilibrium. I like that with the new scholar runes and absorption sigil which really pack a punch for this build, the amount of boonsteal between absorption sigil with S/P, bountiful theft (reset by swindlers equilibrium and mercy) and binding shadow is pretty absurd at the moment and really messes up a few builds I would otherwise struggle with. I guess we get similar things from our builds just in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babazhook.6805 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@babazhook.6805 said:@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@kash.9213 said:@babazhook.6805 said:I tried the Severance/celerity Combo in my s/p build. This build is DE/acro/tr. Scorpion wire traited.Try it out it a blast. You can easily trait up M7 now instead of BqoBk. SW is two added interrupts with a pull and cleanse in under 20 seconds. With SOH and the PW there a whole lot of interrupts going on and you get the sweet kickin of INI on Mali 7. Great combo for s/p.I've been using Scorpion Wire for awhile now anyway since I have a lot of fun with it on my underwater build, it's nice when a patch throws you a bone once in awhile. I like that combo also, Severance had been nice already but the synergy now with with new slot items and gear/traits/stats frees up a few builds, some of the sustain options are crazy though.I've ended up using celerity on rifle to set up a quickness spike with binding shadows tbh, seems to work well in longer fights once you've used bqobk spikes to waste a few cd's with S/P and starting the fight with 10s+ of quickness just from mark is excellent. I like the extra precision from bqobk and severance sigil tho, pretty sure the extra 20% crit chance from that outdamages M7 over time with more frequent 12-15k pistol whips. Given I have a High Boon duration build I am not so concerned about the quickness oof Bqobk. The boon load from Mali 7 includes fury/swiftness along with 10 migh stacks which last long onto the next mali 7 load. While I do use rifle as the second weapon I am not using stealth on dodge trait prefering premed as I sually have 6+ boons. The power of the Might from mali 7 is better than the power add off the Bqobk and my precision already pushes 90 percent. (with always on fury pluse severance kick in)I do dump Malice and that +7 INI from a mali 7 kick in puts it over the top.My quickness sources are celerity , Burst of agility and Haste which doubles as condition cleanse and stunbreak giving me 9secs plus 11secs plus 11 secs every 24 seconds so BqoBk becomes redundant.That's a pretty good point actually, I was using thrill of the crime still as I prefer how the boons from that and bqobk are more deliberate than burst of agility so it's easier to time with when I try to burst something. I'll try it your way later today. I'm using mercy over haste, gives me up to 10 ini back which I find great for following up a knockdown and DJ with multiple three round burst uses at range and a second quickness spike which is pretty strong combined with swindler's equilibrium. I like that with the new scholar runes and absorption sigil which really pack a punch for this build, the amount of boonsteal between absorption sigil with S/P, bountiful theft (reset by swindlers equilibrium and mercy) and binding shadow is pretty absurd at the moment and really messes up a few builds I would otherwise struggle with. I guess we get similar things from our builds just in different ways. A lot depends on how long you spend in each weapon. Rifle in my build is purely support and I am in it rarely. I find a port to woth quickness on and a followup PW while the guy stunned and still immobbed just more effective then a DJ which so many can dodge. When I want a mali dump I want it on the S#1 attack rather then the DJ as while the DJ mali dump only allows extra damage (all of which can be dodged with a single key) the sword Mali dump gives blind/daze vuln add and ENdurance all at once and is much harder to dodge. It true that the enemy can block or dodge that attack from stealth but I find they do not do that as much as they dodge a DJ and given I am running quickness near full time their timing has to be very good to avoid such an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugglemonkey.8741 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 @babazhook.6805 said:@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@babazhook.6805 said:@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@kash.9213 said:@babazhook.6805 said:I tried the Severance/celerity Combo in my s/p build. This build is DE/acro/tr. Scorpion wire traited.Try it out it a blast. You can easily trait up M7 now instead of BqoBk. SW is two added interrupts with a pull and cleanse in under 20 seconds. With SOH and the PW there a whole lot of interrupts going on and you get the sweet kickin of INI on Mali 7. Great combo for s/p.I've been using Scorpion Wire for awhile now anyway since I have a lot of fun with it on my underwater build, it's nice when a patch throws you a bone once in awhile. I like that combo also, Severance had been nice already but the synergy now with with new slot items and gear/traits/stats frees up a few builds, some of the sustain options are crazy though.I've ended up using celerity on rifle to set up a quickness spike with binding shadows tbh, seems to work well in longer fights once you've used bqobk spikes to waste a few cd's with S/P and starting the fight with 10s+ of quickness just from mark is excellent. I like the extra precision from bqobk and severance sigil tho, pretty sure the extra 20% crit chance from that outdamages M7 over time with more frequent 12-15k pistol whips. Given I have a High Boon duration build I am not so concerned about the quickness oof Bqobk. The boon load from Mali 7 includes fury/swiftness along with 10 migh stacks which last long onto the next mali 7 load. While I do use rifle as the second weapon I am not using stealth on dodge trait prefering premed as I sually have 6+ boons. The power of the Might from mali 7 is better than the power add off the Bqobk and my precision already pushes 90 percent. (with always on fury pluse severance kick in)I do dump Malice and that +7 INI from a mali 7 kick in puts it over the top.My quickness sources are celerity , Burst of agility and Haste which doubles as condition cleanse and stunbreak giving me 9secs plus 11secs plus 11 secs every 24 seconds so BqoBk becomes redundant.That's a pretty good point actually, I was using thrill of the crime still as I prefer how the boons from that and bqobk are more deliberate than burst of agility so it's easier to time with when I try to burst something. I'll try it your way later today. I'm using mercy over haste, gives me up to 10 ini back which I find great for following up a knockdown and DJ with multiple three round burst uses at range and a second quickness spike which is pretty strong combined with swindler's equilibrium. I like that with the new scholar runes and absorption sigil which really pack a punch for this build, the amount of boonsteal between absorption sigil with S/P, bountiful theft (reset by swindlers equilibrium and mercy) and binding shadow is pretty absurd at the moment and really messes up a few builds I would otherwise struggle with. I guess we get similar things from our builds just in different ways. A lot depends on how long you spend in each weapon. Rifle in my build is purely support and I am in it rarely. I find a port to woth quickness on and a followup PW while the guy stunned and still immobbed just more effective then a DJ which so many can dodge. When I want a mali dump I want it on the S#1 attack rather then the DJ as while the DJ mali dump only allows extra damage (all of which can be dodged with a single key) the sword Mali dump gives blind/daze vuln add and ENdurance all at once and is much harder to dodge. It true that the enemy can block or dodge that attack from stealth but I find they do not do that as much as they dodge a DJ and given I am running quickness near full time their timing has to be very good to avoid such an attack.I tend to use rifle and S/P pretty evenly, depends how much malice I have and what I'm facing tho. I usually start with rifle and only go to S/P once on max malice, and keep it there for the stealth from stolen skills with one in the chamber. Between mark, swindler's equilibrium, mercy, binding shadows and shadow meld I get a lot of stolen items, which on max malice translates to a lot of stealth procs on S/P which is extremely useful for repositioning esp vs things like mirage. I use rifle to build malice, juke with stealth, outrange things I really shouldn't be standing next to and spike when I know celerity is off cooldown; binding shadows > DJ > three round burst spam with max malice and guaranteed quickness is devastating if timed right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babazhook.6805 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 @Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@babazhook.6805 said:@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@babazhook.6805 said:@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:@kash.9213 said:@babazhook.6805 said:I tried the Severance/celerity Combo in my s/p build. This build is DE/acro/tr. Scorpion wire traited.Try it out it a blast. You can easily trait up M7 now instead of BqoBk. SW is two added interrupts with a pull and cleanse in under 20 seconds. With SOH and the PW there a whole lot of interrupts going on and you get the sweet kickin of INI on Mali 7. Great combo for s/p.I've been using Scorpion Wire for awhile now anyway since I have a lot of fun with it on my underwater build, it's nice when a patch throws you a bone once in awhile. I like that combo also, Severance had been nice already but the synergy now with with new slot items and gear/traits/stats frees up a few builds, some of the sustain options are crazy though.I've ended up using celerity on rifle to set up a quickness spike with binding shadows tbh, seems to work well in longer fights once you've used bqobk spikes to waste a few cd's with S/P and starting the fight with 10s+ of quickness just from mark is excellent. I like the extra precision from bqobk and severance sigil tho, pretty sure the extra 20% crit chance from that outdamages M7 over time with more frequent 12-15k pistol whips. Given I have a High Boon duration build I am not so concerned about the quickness oof Bqobk. The boon load from Mali 7 includes fury/swiftness along with 10 migh stacks which last long onto the next mali 7 load. While I do use rifle as the second weapon I am not using stealth on dodge trait prefering premed as I sually have 6+ boons. The power of the Might from mali 7 is better than the power add off the Bqobk and my precision already pushes 90 percent. (with always on fury pluse severance kick in)I do dump Malice and that +7 INI from a mali 7 kick in puts it over the top.My quickness sources are celerity , Burst of agility and Haste which doubles as condition cleanse and stunbreak giving me 9secs plus 11secs plus 11 secs every 24 seconds so BqoBk becomes redundant.That's a pretty good point actually, I was using thrill of the crime still as I prefer how the boons from that and bqobk are more deliberate than burst of agility so it's easier to time with when I try to burst something. I'll try it your way later today. I'm using mercy over haste, gives me up to 10 ini back which I find great for following up a knockdown and DJ with multiple three round burst uses at range and a second quickness spike which is pretty strong combined with swindler's equilibrium. I like that with the new scholar runes and absorption sigil which really pack a punch for this build, the amount of boonsteal between absorption sigil with S/P, bountiful theft (reset by swindlers equilibrium and mercy) and binding shadow is pretty absurd at the moment and really messes up a few builds I would otherwise struggle with. I guess we get similar things from our builds just in different ways. A lot depends on how long you spend in each weapon. Rifle in my build is purely support and I am in it rarely. I find a port to woth quickness on and a followup PW while the guy stunned and still immobbed just more effective then a DJ which so many can dodge. When I want a mali dump I want it on the S#1 attack rather then the DJ as while the DJ mali dump only allows extra damage (all of which can be dodged with a single key) the sword Mali dump gives blind/daze vuln add and ENdurance all at once and is much harder to dodge. It true that the enemy can block or dodge that attack from stealth but I find they do not do that as much as they dodge a DJ and given I am running quickness near full time their timing has to be very good to avoid such an attack.I tend to use rifle and S/P pretty evenly, depends how much malice I have and what I'm facing tho. I usually start with rifle and only go to S/P once on max malice, and keep it there for the stealth from stolen skills with one in the chamber. Between mark, swindler's equilibrium, mercy, binding shadows and shadow meld I get a lot of stolen items, which on max malice translates to a lot of stealth procs on S/P which is extremely useful for repositioning esp vs things like mirage. I use rifle to build malice, juke with stealth, outrange things I really shouldn't be standing next to and spike when I know celerity is off cooldown; binding shadows > DJ > three round burst spam with max malice and guaranteed quickness is devastating if timed right. Both sound strategies. I do have a second DE that rifle focused and this s/p build used to use p/p off hand until the recent changes. I would like to see some changes to p/p so I can go back so the builds play differently as possible. I like how s/p plays against a LB ranger as compared to rifle finding it has more success due to the port to and pull I get off the SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash.9213 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I like M7 but with the little time I get after work I crash right into the big fights like an idiot and packing stuff like BQoBK(power/precision),Malicious Intent,Rending Shade, and Sleight of Hand into a quick Death's Judgement puts more upfront with some reset. I try to reduce the chance of my Mark peeling away around their blob, although I do appreciate that you can still use Stolen item stealth at 5 malice with M7. Any of that's going to change often though depending on how I'm adjusting my health and other resource pools in response to how proficiently I get my ass kicked. I could use Celerity with M7 but I found that slightly longer quickness duration gave me a better window to pull, stop, and down someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk.5460 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Celerity on Rifle with M7 is performing wonderfully as expected. It was well worth giving up Force Sigil for the near immediate M7 proc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babazhook.6805 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I pulled an old Condition build out of the Closet to try i with anti-toxin runes. Those Runes are very effective on thief .two cleanses on an EA , two on the use of a SW , two +1 on a sword port via infiltrators. Used in combination you can shut down a pile of condition builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamzero.9486 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 @babazhook.6805 said:I pulled an old Condition build out of the Closet to try i with anti-toxin runes. Those Runes are very effective on thief .two cleanses on an EA , two on the use of a SW , two +1 on a sword port via infiltrators. Used in combination you can shut down a pile of condition builds.This rune set single-handedly makes P/D good to run again (u can take DA + Trickery + DD and still get decent condi removal with a lot of pressure on your end). Shame if it'll get hit with the nerf bat. I shudder to think what a Mirage can do with these things tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemist.6851 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 @Mavec.7469 said:Speed for the 66% swiftness and ogre for the rock dog could be very interesting. Wonder if it'll port with us with shadowsteps/steal etc. I use Ogre on my power dps weaver with new vision sigil.. basically it’s nice to have extra dog to distract while doing the dps chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safandula.8723 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 On d/p daredevil on wvw, try celerity + absorbtion( or draining, not sure of the name(sigil from wvw that steal 3 boons on interrupt with 3 s cd)). Good steal and u steal 6 boons + gain quickness, and 3 boons stolen on every interrupt from pistol 4,every 3 s. Kinda bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Tried runes of speed on s/d, it's really nice actually, still have durability runes on my 2nd armour set.Also trying out sigil of force and night on the melee set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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