My story of permanent stealth deadeye

[freedomtolove.5476]

I used to play s/p daredevil and spam pistolwhip and dodges. But Arenanet nerfed that https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unhindered_Combatant so I moved on to deadeye. At 1st I played it with p/p https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unload but Arenanet nerfed that.So I moved on to try https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Deadeye_-_Malicious_Oneshot_Roamerand found that by replacing the signets with Shadow Refuge and Black Powder I could easily maintain permanent stealth with rifle dodges and d/p heartseeker spam.But this was the funny part the more I tried to maintain permanent stealth the more I realised that I only win or lose a fight if I attack. But if I chose to be a pacifist I could watch zerg fights while outnumbered and enjoy the game even when I don't stand a chance.This taught me a valuable lesson from my idol in life Homer Simpson.

Now I'm a buddhist who lives by the motto no desires no suffering. I don't compete to be the best and instead realise that I am nothing but 1 of 7 billion people on this world. My futile attempts to raise my own ego are only temporary. After all they are simply dopamine boosts that I could get from daily exercise doing something I actually enjoy like an extreme sport such as skateboarding.I think I finally realise my true purpose in life is to quit this pointless merry go round on the RNG skinner box of MMORPGs.

Every day while I've watched people fight I've seen how endless people's vengeance is over pixels. You would think that the human race wouldn't be so childish but perhaps some people never grow up.Over 10 years of my life was spent on Runescape addicted to underage gambling so I know all about wasting my time. I was born with autism and so I find it harder to socialise and fit into society so always tried to hide in video games. But the community and cooperation I remember from earlier gaming is gone and replaced with toxicity and trolling meant to encourage others to

Basically I'm done caring about Arenanet who will most likely perm ban me again and remove this post again.

[Justine.6351]

Yeah that marked debuff must be really oppressive if it is getting deadeyes to quit the game lol.

! Well done anet.

[freedomtolove.5476]

No. Arenanet is causing people to quit the game because every patch they do is more power creep yet it still has whiteknights who seem like they're paid to defend them until the end of time. You want me to be offended but in reality it's just bait to cause me to log in to rage at pixels like most gamers who spends their existence doing just that.

I'm off mate, it's over. There is no coming back to a game filled with people like you who seems to spend every waking moment in an attempt to troll people while hiding behind a keyboard. But then again that's this whole generation's problem now isn't it.

Loners in real life with no real happiness trying to fulfill themselves with endless jobs online because they're too afraid to go outside. The procrastination never ends because everyday they're sitting on their ass getting fat. There's better things to spend energy on than people who feel they need to prove so much to people they will never meet in real life.

It's like playing pvp games too long gives you a warped perception of reality where you think everyone is out to get you. While in reality people are out there enjoying themselves. And people who are addicted to vengeance are sentenced to a sadomasochistic torture bullying each other for life.The minority are psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists yet they run the world. And everybody seems to aspire for the "success" they have.

@Justine.6351 said:You are having a moment of clarity. I'm just not sure why you are attempting to justify yourself to us.

Exactly, no more.

[Justine.6351]

@getalifeturd.8139 said:No. Arenanet is causing people to quit the game because every patch they do is more power creep yet it still has whiteknights who seem like they're paid to defend them until the end of time. You want me to be offended but in reality it's just bait to cause me to log in to rage at pixels like most gamers who spends their existence doing just that.

I'm off mate, it's over. There is no coming back to a game filled with people like you who seems to spend every waking moment in an attempt to troll people while hiding behind a keyboard. But then again that's this whole generation's problem now isn't it.

Loners in real life with no real happiness trying to fulfill themselves with endless jobs online because they're too afraid to go outside. The procrastination never ends because everyday they're sitting on their kitten getting fat. There's better things to spend energy on than people who feel they need to prove so much to people they will never meet in real life.

It's like playing pvp games too long gives you a warped perception of reality where you think everyone is out to get you. While in reality people are out there enjoying themselves. And people who are addicted to vengeance are sentenced to a sadomasochistic torture bullying each other for life.

You are having a moment of clarity. I'm just not sure why you are attempting to justify yourself to us.

[Warkind.6745]

Tl;dr: PvP turns people into violent Chads and voyeurism is the only way to beat GW2.

Thank you, Tolstoy.

[freedomtolove.5476]

@"Warkind.6745" said:Tl;dr: PvP turns people into violent Chads and voyeurism is the only way to beat GW2.

Thank you, Tolstoy.

No. The only way to beat GW2 is to quit because you can't win at MMORPGs that by design never end.

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all [is] vanity and vexation of spirit. 15 [That which is] crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. (Ecclesiastes 1:14-15, null)

[freedomtolove.5476]

Exodus 20:13 You shall not murder.

[freedomtolove.5476]

I think I should thank GW2 for teaching my young idealistic mind some valuable lessons about MMORPGs and their culture. As a kid I believed these games were an escape for the isolated alone bullied outcasts of the world. But as time went on I saw the communities of these games change as they became more popular. Instead of cooperation people would compete and player-kill each other in clans such as runescape. There was backstabbing and hatred and childish insults demonstrating a clear lack of maturity. Even in these virtual worlds where people were anonymous there was still exclusion and elitism.

I once believed that imagination and the fun of a world that does not exist could create a paradise of roleplaying and love for each other. I was wrong...These games have all the same problems that the world has despite not meaning anything. People still have their competitive instincts and animal-like nature upon each other. It was then I realised that people are flawed to compete as long as we think like animals.

I then decided to go down the long, lonely path of self discovery. I withdrew from the world and developed mental disorders beyond count. I became a science experiment of my own creation gone wrong. I thought that if I made all the mistakes and became all the bad things people hated that I would learn to live without my ego and with complete humility and self love. In actual fact...I destroyed my dreams I once believed in and became a psychotic monster.

I slowly developed traits of autism, sadomasochism, bipolar, paranoid schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, narcissism, delusions of grandeur, mood swings, insomnia, social phobia, anxiety, psychosis, multiple personalities and manic depression. It was then that I was abandoned by my Dad because he could not deal with my problems and anger anymore. I stayed at a cheap boarding house with only my computer for company.

Things soon became worse and quickly my symptoms worsened. I went into a mental clinic eventually when I could not deal with my daily life. It was there I was saved from my own self hatred. They tried many drugs and soon put me onto antipsychotics. It was then I realised that I had nothing left to lose. I had hit rock bottom and come out alive. You see I live in Australia where we have a very good welfare and social security system.

It was after all this I realised that the world needs to spread love and cooperation no matter what. All that really matters is working together to solve any problem we have. As a child I was very competitive and a perfectionist. But as my Dad told me I was acting and pretending to be something I was not because I thought that was what others wanted. The people that use these manipulative techniques to influence others and boost their own egos are called sociopaths. It was then I realised how many people are stuck in this cycle and do not even know it.

Competition keeps us thinking like the animals do aka Survival of the Fittest. In reality it is now survival of the smartest and the Rich own this world by manipulating the majority of the human race into slavery to money. You would think that people would see through this quite easily but of course they do not. There are more factors than simple brainwashing through advertisements at work here. The Rich know that people are hard-wired to compete from birth as the sperm racing to the egg. This is the basic foundation of life but people do not need to let the ego control their thoughts completely.

If we as the human race can let go of the Ego, hatred and competition. Then we are then free to spread pure love, acceptance, empathy, consideration, cooperation, humility and inclusion to all people regardless of their social status, wealth, appearance or intelligence. This is what the world needs to learn to evolve into the future. I believe in a paradise and heaven right here on Earth if people could only have the love to create it for each other.

If there is no afterlife then so be it and perhaps we are reincarnated as energy into life again on this planet. Evolution and Buddhism combined into a reality that makes sense and is simple to explain. But if there is a God and a creator wouldn't he want us to become more spiritual and filled with love for one another? <3

[Skada.1362]

I love this thread, for reals.

Oh and Rifle Deadeyes can't get nerfed enough. Stealth on dodge, genius..

[freedomtolove.5476]

@Skada.1362 said:Oh and Rifle Deadeyes can't get nerfed enough.

Don't hate the player hate the game. Or if you're going to hate something then hate everything equally including yourself. Then you will be closer to being an unbiased and objective person.

[Skada.1362]

@getalifeturd.8139 said:

@Skada.1362 said:Oh and Rifle Deadeyes can't get nerfed enough.

Don't hate the player hate the game. Or if you're going to hate something then hate everything equally including yourself. Then you will be closer to being an unbiased and objective person.

I never liked that saying. In fact I think it's such a weak thing to say. Things can be awesome, with crappy parts thrown into the mix, kinda like relationships or life in general at times, it don't mean we as human beings shouldn't point out stuff that are bad for the collective (in this case gw2) and try to improve. You seem to be the one filled with hatred. Do you hate yourself and everything equally? Do you consider yourself to be unbiased and objective? Anyways you got the attention you were seeking and I no longer love this thread, in fact i HATE!! it now grrrr /crying from perma stealth.

Seriously though man, good luck on your future endeavours!

[freedomtolove.5476]

@"Skada.1362" said:In fact I think it's such a weak thing to say. Things can be awesome, with crappy parts thrown into the mix, kinda like relationships or life in general at times, it don't mean we as human beings shouldn't point out stuff that are bad for the collective (in this case gw2) and try to improve. You seem to be the one filled with hatred. Do you hate yourself and everything equally? Do you consider yourself to be unbiased and objective? Anyways you got the attention you were seeking and I no longer love this thread, in fact i HATE!! it now grrrr /crying from perma stealth.

Seriously though man, good luck on your future endeavours!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Your post is full of ad hominem insults. Instead of addressing the point that our opinions are biased and subjective you just reinforced it with your own. Instead of debating you just want to strawman my argument and leave with the moral superiority. True objectivity is impossible because the human race has made up everything we know about the world with our own perceptions of it.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1493993226750.jpg

[Sir Vincent III.1286]

@getalifeturd.8139 said:

@"Skada.1362" said:In fact I think it's such a

weak

thing to say. Things can be awesome, with crappy parts thrown into the mix, kinda like relationships or life in general at times, it don't mean we as human beings shouldn't point out stuff that are bad for the collective (in this case gw2) and try to improve.

You seem to be the one filled with hatred. Do you hate yourself and everything equally? Do you consider yourself to be unbiased and objective?

Anyways you got the attention you were seeking and I no longer love this thread, in fact i HATE!! it now grrrr

/crying from perma stealth.

Seriously though man, good luck on your future endeavours!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Your post is full of ad hominem insults. Instead of addressing the point that our opinions are biased and subjective you just reinforced it with your own. Instead of debating you just want to strawman my argument and leave with the moral superiority. True objectivity is impossible because the human race has made up everything we know about the world with our own perceptions of it.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1493993226750.jpg

lol, you started the ad hom. Just saying.

[freedomtolove.5476]

@Sir Vincent III.1286 said:lol, you started the ad hom. Just saying.

To hate everything equally including yourself is not an insult to anybody. Hatred is self destructive anyway because it leads to vengeance which wastes our lives.

[Skada.1362]

@getalifeturd.8139 said:

@"Skada.1362" said:In fact I think it's such a

weak

thing to say. Things can be awesome, with crappy parts thrown into the mix, kinda like relationships or life in general at times, it don't mean we as human beings shouldn't point out stuff that are bad for the collective (in this case gw2) and try to improve.

You seem to be the one filled with hatred. Do you hate yourself and everything equally? Do you consider yourself to be unbiased and objective?

Anyways you got the attention you were seeking and I no longer love this thread, in fact i HATE!! it now grrrr

/crying from perma stealth.

Seriously though man, good luck on your future endeavours!

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Your post is full of ad hominem insults. Instead of addressing the point that our opinions are biased and subjective you just reinforced it with your own. Instead of debating you just want to strawman my argument and leave with the moral superiority. True objectivity is impossible because the human race has made up everything we know about the world with our own perceptions of it.

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1493993226750.jpg

Regarding sarcasm.. that's like your opinion mang. Thanks for the link about logical fallacies, I never learned which was what, it was never really important to me but I'll check it out. I agree that our opinions are bias and subjective, no arguing there. I was simply asking you if you practice what you preach regarding being an unbiased and objective person.

Now about the saying "Don't hate the player hate the game", that I really hate tbh. I can't stand people who do and participate in what's to me, morally questionable behavior just because EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT SO ITS OK. I'm definitely not a masterdebater (xD) so it's whatever.

[freedomtolove.5476]

@"Skada.1362" said:Now about the saying "Don't hate the player hate the game", that I really hate tbh. I can't stand people who do and participate in what's to me, morally questionable behavior just because EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT SO ITS OK. I'm definitely not a masterdebater (xD) so it's whatever.

It's more-so that the players are not in control of the game because of Arenanet. So the players use the most effective tactics available (M.E.T.A). Meanwhile players who lose talk about crutches and exploits as explained in Sirlin's book Play To Win.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

Appeal to majority is also a logical fallacy and I am not a fan of the sheep mentality of the mainstream either.

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

Well, I think you've realised something fundamental about people but you've come to the wrong conclusion.

1) You want the world to spread peace and love and reject ego, but you've shown yourself that in an isolated environment with nothing to gain, people will still act with pride and elitism. This can only show that the problem is internal to man and that no amount of preaching love and peace will change that.

2) Wanting to become all the things you hate will not strip you of ego and self. If anything, it will reinforce and build your ego and pride by teaching you to ignore feelings of guilt and cope with what you are despite what you have done. Guilt is seen as a negative thing in today's world yet it is a natural reaction to having done wrong. Strip away and ignore your guilt without changing the behaviour, and you end up still doing the thing that is wrong but feeling nothing. This I'd argue is a worse condition than what you started in, especially if your aim is to promote peace and love to others.

3) You say there is no objectivity in this life, to which I would agree. If I base my moral compass on my own emotions, it is subjective and open to change and is thus useless when attempting to talk to others. What you need is an external moral standard, and I would submit to you that The Bible is that standard.

Think about these verses;

The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9, KJV)

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. (Matthew 15:17-20, KJV)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23, KJV)

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:28-32, KJV)

Man is depraved. We cannot attain peace, because the problem is internal (the heart) and simply put, we don't want to. We have neither the will nor the means to do what you hope we will do. And even if you yourself could put aside ego, what does it profit you if the rest of the world doesn't change, and when you die that's the end?

Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions. So, if the Bible is true, we're in a pretty hopeless situation to say the least.

So what then? How do we fix this situation? Simply put, we don't, because God already has;

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16, KJV)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9, KJV)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6, KJV)

Jesus is the cure for the rot in the heart of man, because He dealt with the true issue; our sin that separates us from God. Any substitute for this is a placebo not a cure, and leaves you still on the same path to damnation. Please, consider your end while there is still time, and don't neglect so great a salvation.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live? (Ezekiel 18:23, KJV)

[bq pd.2148]

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions.

ok

[Derenaya.3479]

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Well, I think you've realised something fundamental about people but you've come to the wrong conclusion.

1) You want the world to spread peace and love and reject ego, but you've shown yourself that in an isolated environment with nothing to gain, people will still act with pride and elitism. This can only show that the problem is internal to man and that no amount of preaching love and peace will change that.

2) Wanting to become all the things you hate will not strip you of ego and self. If anything, it will reinforce and build your ego and pride by teaching you to ignore feelings of guilt and cope with what you are despite what you have done. Guilt is seen as a negative thing in today's world yet it is a natural reaction to having done wrong. Strip away and ignore your guilt without changing the behaviour, and you end up still doing the thing that is wrong but feeling nothing. This I'd argue is a worse condition than what you started in, especially if your aim is to promote peace and love to others.

3) You say there is no objectivity in this life, to which I would agree. If I base my moral compass on my own emotions, it is subjective and open to change and is thus useless when attempting to talk to others. What you need is an external moral standard, and I would submit to you that The Bible is that standard.

Think about these verses;

The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9, KJV)

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. (Matthew 15:17-20, KJV)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23, KJV)

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:28-32, KJV)

Man is depraved. We cannot attain peace, because the problem is internal (the heart) and simply put, we don't want to. We have neither the will nor the means to do what you hope we will do. And even if you yourself could put aside ego, what does it profit you if the rest of the world doesn't change, and when you die that's the end?

Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions. So, if the Bible is true, we're in a pretty hopeless situation to say the least.

So what then? How do we fix this situation? Simply put, we don't, because God already has;

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16, KJV)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9, KJV)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6, KJV)

Jesus is the cure for the rot in the heart of man, because He dealt with the true issue; our sin that separates us from God. Any substitute for this is a placebo not a cure, and leaves you still on the same path to damnation. Please, consider your end while there is still time, and don't neglect so great a salvation.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live? (Ezekiel 18:23, KJV)

I thought this is a gaming forum debating about deadeye and not a church.

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

@Derenaya.3479 said:

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Well, I think you've realised something fundamental about people but you've come to the wrong conclusion.

1) You want the world to spread peace and love and reject ego, but you've shown yourself that in an isolated environment with nothing to gain, people will still act with pride and elitism. This can only show that the problem is internal to man and that no amount of preaching love and peace will change that.

2) Wanting to become all the things you hate will not strip you of ego and self. If anything, it will reinforce and build your ego and pride by teaching you to ignore feelings of guilt and cope with what you are despite what you have done. Guilt is seen as a negative thing in today's world yet it is a natural reaction to having done wrong. Strip away and ignore your guilt without changing the behaviour, and you end up still doing the thing that is wrong but feeling nothing. This I'd argue is a worse condition than what you started in, especially if your aim is to promote peace and love to others.

3) You say there is no objectivity in this life, to which I would agree. If I base my moral compass on my own emotions, it is subjective and open to change and is thus useless when attempting to talk to others. What you need is an external moral standard, and I would submit to you that The Bible is that standard.

Think about these verses;

The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9, KJV)

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. (Matthew 15:17-20, KJV)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23, KJV)

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:28-32, KJV)

Man is depraved. We cannot attain peace, because the problem is internal (the heart) and simply put, we don't want to. We have neither the will nor the means to do what you hope we will do. And even if you yourself could put aside ego, what does it profit you if the rest of the world doesn't change, and when you die that's the end?

Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions. So, if the Bible is true, we're in a pretty hopeless situation to say the least.

So what then? How do we fix this situation? Simply put, we don't, because God already has;

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16, KJV)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9, KJV)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6, KJV)

Jesus is the cure for the rot in the heart of man, because He dealt with the true issue; our sin that separates us from God. Any substitute for this is a placebo not a cure, and leaves you still on the same path to damnation. Please, consider your end while there is still time, and don't neglect so great a salvation.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live? (Ezekiel 18:23, KJV)

I thought this is a gaming forum debating about deadeye and not a church.

Well, given the rest of the thread has little to do with deadeye and is more the OP using his experience to justify his spiritual position, I don't feel like I'm out of place answering in kind. If you don't like it, why are you reading it?

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

@MUDse.7623 said:

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions.

ok

Glad you agree :)

[bq pd.2148]

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

@MUDse.7623 said:

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions.

ok

Glad you agree :)

î dont agree, i accept your unwillingness to question the existence of god.

[Jugglemonkey.8741]

@MUDse.7623 said:

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

@MUDse.7623 said:

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions.

ok

Glad you agree :)

î dont agree, i accept your unwillingness to question the existence of god.

That's not actually what I said, if you reread it. I said that the existence of God is an objective truth, in that He either exists or does not exist and that is unaffected by our personal opinions on the matter. Arguing otherwise is akin to saying that because I don't believe in oxygen, I can breathe underwater. It doesn't matter the strength of my conviction, if it is true that my body requires oxygen to live, I'll still drown.

I was saying that instead of debating opinions based on feeling and sentiment (since it has no actual bearing on the truth), I defer to the testimony of the Bible; if it is correct, our situation is one of sin and depravity before a Holy God. I apologise if the argumentation wasn't clear.

[Derenaya.3479]

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:

@Derenaya.3479 said:

@Jugglemonkey.8741 said:Well, I think you've realised something fundamental about people but you've come to the wrong conclusion.

1) You want the world to spread peace and love and reject ego, but you've shown yourself that in an isolated environment with nothing to gain, people will still act with pride and elitism. This can only show that the problem is internal to man and that no amount of preaching love and peace will change that.

2) Wanting to become all the things you hate will not strip you of ego and self. If anything, it will reinforce and build your ego and pride by teaching you to ignore feelings of guilt and cope with what you are despite what you have done. Guilt is seen as a negative thing in today's world yet it is a natural reaction to having done wrong. Strip away and ignore your guilt without changing the behaviour, and you end up still doing the thing that is wrong but feeling nothing. This I'd argue is a worse condition than what you started in, especially if your aim is to promote peace and love to others.

3) You say there is no objectivity in this life, to which I would agree. If I base my moral compass on my own emotions, it is subjective and open to change and is thus useless when attempting to talk to others. What you need is an external moral standard, and I would submit to you that The Bible is that standard.

Think about these verses;

The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9, KJV)

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. (Matthew 15:17-20, KJV)

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23, KJV)

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (Romans 1:28-32, KJV)

Man is depraved. We cannot attain peace, because the problem is internal (the heart) and simply put, we don't want to. We have neither the will nor the means to do what you hope we will do. And even if you yourself could put aside ego, what does it profit you if the rest of the world doesn't change, and when you die that's the end?

Whether God exists is not a matter of debate, it is objective truth regardless of our opinions. So, if the Bible is true, we're in a pretty hopeless situation to say the least.

So what then? How do we fix this situation? Simply put, we don't, because God already has;

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16, KJV)

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9, KJV)

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6, KJV)

Jesus is the cure for the rot in the heart of man, because He dealt with the true issue; our sin that separates us from God. Any substitute for this is a placebo not a cure, and leaves you still on the same path to damnation. Please, consider your end while there is still time, and don't neglect so great a salvation.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live? (Ezekiel 18:23, KJV)

I thought this is a gaming forum debating about deadeye and not a church.

Well, given the rest of the thread has little to do with deadeye and is more the OP using his experience to justify his spiritual position, I don't feel like I'm out of place answering in kind. If you don't like it, why are you reading it?

Well okay you‘re right, the part about ‚debating about deadeye’ was out of place.