condi berserker roaming w/ defender runes?

[Stand The Wall.6987]

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vJAQRApe8cnEdAlkiVhAmdAkiglgAz4AUCDAvL3ob2VpMk9CDA-jlRSABtrEUI9DAo+D3KN6WZ2qbAQKgJ1pB-w

so im just theorycrafting around and came up with this idea. each block is 5% of 30k or 1500 heal. (site isn't updated yet)vs ranged there are 13 blocks or 19.5k heal over 30 sec.vs melee there are 11 blocks or 16.5k heal over 30 sec.

anyway possible alternative to all the power builds out there.

[DemonSeed.3528]

Interesting, I had my block build on berserker (before any changes to runes) but I switched it to sbreaker after the update for the full counter. I'm still rethinking a few things to make it work on core. Will try out your version with strength.

[Hitman.5829]

Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

[Hitman.5829]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

[Hitman.5829]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

Still don't get your point. 13 blocks over 30 sec make no sense.Elaborate your post more eloquently.

use exact times or use the greater than, less than or equal to signs.To say that you have 13 blocks over 30 seconds sounds like you are saying:

• 13 blocks in more than 30 sec which makes no sense because any number of blocks will make that statement true.

Ask yourself these questions:is it true that there are 20 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 30 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 40 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 50 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 60 blocks in more than 30 sec? yes

What do you mean by 13 blocks in over 30 sec? Why did you chose that specific time and that specific amount of blocks to make your post? And why didn't you choose 60 blocks in more than 30 sec?

[TheBravery.9615]

the rune has a second cooldown.

So your shield stance has 3 seconds, it will only heal 3 times regardless of how many hits you take during the stance.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@TheBravery.9615 said:the rune has a second cooldown.

So your shield stance has 3 seconds, it will only heal 3 times regardless of how many hits you take during the stance.

yeah I know that.

editeven if all you had was shield and you used it twice in 30sec thats still a 6k heal (assuming 20k hp). the biggest nerf to defender runes was the regen loss.

[Zhaid Zhem.6508]

Why everyone look at this rune now ? Actually it was better before patch, but now everybody think 5% is OP, it's just like 900 hp at best, it was 4000.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Why everyone look at this rune now ? Actually it was better before patch, but now everybody think 5% is OP, it's just like 900 hp at best, it was 4000.

as I just pointed out, the 6th bonus is as good as (even if just using shield) pre change or better.

[Lucentfir.7430]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Why everyone look at this rune now ? Actually it was better before patch, but now everybody think 5% is OP, it's just like 900 hp at best, it was 4000.

as I just pointed out, the 6th bonus is as good as (even if just using shield) pre change or better.I wouldn't say it's better, back then I used to run this rune on a cele Defense/Tactics warrior. The loss of Regen per block makes this much less appealing, considering warriors only access to regen is through Dogged March which is competing with Shield Master, and the other trait with regen access is the Banner trait. Regen + HS + Full AH gave you around 900-1k HPS which is almost like Permanent Troll Unguent, and even if you didn't have any stacks of AH, the regen acted as a good buffer until you did. Defender Runes are good for classes that have a lot of small frequent block. So unless you're running a build with offhand sword and/or main hand mace. It isn't worth the rune space considering the stats too unless you're running shout tactics warrior.

[Miko.4158]

its not great imo.trailblazer, with any sensible power mix (not vit).undead runesflameburst + smoldering sigils.I've dumped sb , post nerf and am enjoying it. alot of fun,and not a 1 trick pony.but dont kid yourself a long way off meta .

[Phantom.7903]

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

Still don't get your point. 13 blocks over 30 sec make no sense.Elaborate your post more eloquently.

use exact times or use the greater than, less than or equal to signs.To say that you have 13 blocks over 30 seconds sounds like you are saying:

• 13 blocks in more than 30 sec which makes no sense because any number of blocks will make that statement true.

Ask yourself these questions:is it true that there are 20 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 30 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 40 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 50 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 60 blocks in more than 30 sec? yes

What do you mean by 13 blocks in over 30 sec? Why did you chose that specific time and that specific amount of blocks to make your post? And why didn't you choose

60 blocks in more than 30 sec?

You seem extremely confused. He didn't say in over 30 seconds, he said 13 blocks over 30 seconds (which you initially correctly quoted). This means 13 blocks spread over a duration of 30 seconds, i.e. 13/30. Not 13/60, not 13/156200000.

[Hitman.5829]

@Phantom.7903 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

Still don't get your point. 13 blocks over 30 sec make no sense.Elaborate your post more eloquently.

use exact times or use the greater than, less than or equal to signs.To say that you have 13 blocks over 30 seconds sounds like you are saying:

• 13 blocks in more than 30 sec which makes no sense because any number of blocks will make that statement true.

Ask yourself these questions:is it true that there are 20 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 30 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 40 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 50 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 60 blocks in more than 30 sec? yes

What do you mean by 13 blocks in over 30 sec? Why did you chose that specific time and that specific amount of blocks to make your post? And why didn't you choose

60 blocks in more than 30 sec?

You seem extremely confused. He didn't say

in

over 30 seconds, he said 13 blocks over 30 seconds (which you initially correctly quoted). This means 13 blocks spread over a duration of 30 seconds, i.e. 13/30. Not 13/60, not 13/156200000.

That is incorrect.13 blocks IN 30 seconds means 13/3013 blocks OVER 30 seconds means 13/ (any time greater than 30 seconds)

The way he presents the information makes it so that any ratio could be possible: any blocks/any time which is meaningless information.Answer this: If I am over 20 years, how old am I?

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Phantom.7903 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

Still don't get your point. 13 blocks over 30 sec make no sense.Elaborate your post more eloquently.

use exact times or use the greater than, less than or equal to signs.To say that you have 13 blocks over 30 seconds sounds like you are saying:

• 13 blocks in more than 30 sec which makes no sense because any number of blocks will make that statement true.

Ask yourself these questions:is it true that there are 20 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 30 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 40 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 50 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 60 blocks in more than 30 sec? yes

What do you mean by 13 blocks in over 30 sec? Why did you chose that specific time and that specific amount of blocks to make your post? And why didn't you choose

60 blocks in more than 30 sec?

You seem extremely confused. He didn't say

in

over 30 seconds, he said 13 blocks over 30 seconds (which you initially correctly quoted). This means 13 blocks spread over a duration of 30 seconds, i.e. 13/30. Not 13/60, not 13/156200000.

That is incorrect.13 blocks IN 30 seconds means 13/3013 blocks OVER 30 seconds means 13/ (any time greater than 30 seconds)

The way he presents the information makes it so that any ratio could be possible:

any blocks/any time

which is meaningless information.Answer this: If I am over 20 years, how old am I?

lol in over whatever just stop freaking out. youre taking grammar Nazi to the extreme.

[Hitman.5829]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Phantom.7903 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

Still don't get your point. 13 blocks over 30 sec make no sense.Elaborate your post more eloquently.

use exact times or use the greater than, less than or equal to signs.To say that you have 13 blocks over 30 seconds sounds like you are saying:

• 13 blocks in more than 30 sec which makes no sense because any number of blocks will make that statement true.

Ask yourself these questions:is it true that there are 20 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 30 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 40 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 50 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 60 blocks in more than 30 sec? yes

What do you mean by 13 blocks in over 30 sec? Why did you chose that specific time and that specific amount of blocks to make your post? And why didn't you choose

60 blocks in more than 30 sec?

You seem extremely confused. He didn't say

in

over 30 seconds, he said 13 blocks over 30 seconds (which you initially correctly quoted). This means 13 blocks spread over a duration of 30 seconds, i.e. 13/30. Not 13/60, not 13/156200000.

That is incorrect.13 blocks IN 30 seconds means 13/3013 blocks OVER 30 seconds means 13/ (any time greater than 30 seconds)

The way he presents the information makes it so that any ratio could be possible:

any blocks/any time

which is meaningless information.Answer this: If I am over 20 years, how old am I?

lol in over whatever just stop freaking out. youre taking grammar kitten to the extreme.

Is not grammar, its math kid. Math matters.13/30 is not the same as 13/X where x > 30

To this point I still have no idea what the point of this post is.How did you get 13 blocks? and why over 30 sec?

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Lucentfir.7430 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Why everyone look at this rune now ? Actually it was better before patch, but now everybody think 5% is OP, it's just like 900 hp at best, it was 4000.

as I just pointed out, the 6th bonus is as good as (even if just using shield) pre change or better.I wouldn't say it's better, back then I used to run this rune on a cele Defense/Tactics warrior. The loss of Regen per block makes this much less appealing, considering warriors only access to regen is through Dogged March which is competing with Shield Master, and the other trait with regen access is the Banner trait. Regen + HS + Full AH gave you around 900-1k HPS which is almost like Permanent Troll Unguent, and even if you didn't have any stacks of AH, the regen acted as a good buffer until you did. Defender Runes are good for classes that have a lot of small frequent block. So unless you're running a build with offhand sword and/or main hand mace. It isn't worth the rune space considering the stats too unless you're running shout tactics warrior.

yes regen loss is a big hit to the rune, I acknowledged this. in case you didn't check the link the build IS about sw/sw mace/sh with strength instead of defense.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Phantom.7903 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Hitman.5829 said:Your build is trash.What do you mean there are 13 blocks over 30 sec? That is obvious, just like there are 15890254458854 blocks over 30 sec.that's pretty mean bro. I think 13 blocks over 30 sec = 13 blocks over 30sec. not sure why confuse.

mmm 13 blocks over 30 sec does not make sense because there can be any X over 30 sec.It is an illogical statement that makes no sense. it is like saying:I get paid $13 dollars over 30 hrs. That kind of information is incomplete and does not provide anything usefull, for example:

do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 60 hrs?Do you still get paid $13 dollars if you work 156200000 hr?

Because 60 is over 30 and so is 156200000.

Also, how do you get 13 blocks?

ill ignore the enormous straw man and say this: old defender runes had a cd of 30 sec, and coincidentally a lot of fights don't last more then 30sec. its a tidy number used to represent a possible build by dropping defense in favor of strength. you get 13 blocks by adding them up over 30 sec.

Still don't get your point. 13 blocks over 30 sec make no sense.Elaborate your post more eloquently.

use exact times or use the greater than, less than or equal to signs.To say that you have 13 blocks over 30 seconds sounds like you are saying:

• 13 blocks in more than 30 sec which makes no sense because any number of blocks will make that statement true.

Ask yourself these questions:is it true that there are 20 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 30 blocks in more than 30 sec? Yesis it true that there are 40 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 50 blocks in more than 30 sec? yesis it true that there are 60 blocks in more than 30 sec? yes

What do you mean by 13 blocks in over 30 sec? Why did you chose that specific time and that specific amount of blocks to make your post? And why didn't you choose

60 blocks in more than 30 sec?

You seem extremely confused. He didn't say

in

over 30 seconds, he said 13 blocks over 30 seconds (which you initially correctly quoted). This means 13 blocks spread over a duration of 30 seconds, i.e. 13/30. Not 13/60, not 13/156200000.

That is incorrect.13 blocks IN 30 seconds means 13/3013 blocks OVER 30 seconds means 13/ (any time greater than 30 seconds)

The way he presents the information makes it so that any ratio could be possible:

any blocks/any time

which is meaningless information.Answer this: If I am over 20 years, how old am I?

lol in over whatever just stop freaking out. youre taking grammar kitten to the extreme.

Is not grammar, its math kid. Math matters.13/30 is not the same as 13/X where x > 30

To this point I still have no idea what the point of this post is.How did you get 13 blocks? and why over 30 sec?

yeah its a big mystery.

[Spartacus.3192]

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Why everyone look at this rune now ? Actually it was better before patch, but now everybody think 5% is OP, it's just like 900 hp at best, it was 4000.

I know right??? LOL. Defender rune on warrior was infinitely better before this patch and i used it a lot since the day it came out back in 2015. Its trash on warrior now. Well its trash if you ever experienced using it before....SMH.

Oh and the heal before was closer to 5000. Plus you had 2 sec of regen on every block with no ICD.

[Spartacus.3192]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Why everyone look at this rune now ? Actually it was better before patch, but now everybody think 5% is OP, it's just like 900 hp at best, it was 4000.

as I just pointed out, the 6th bonus is as good as (even if just using shield) pre change or better.

This is just plain wrong. You are assuming you are going to get hit continuously during the entire duration of the shield block to get the 3 heals which is 3K MAX each shield block duration. and no you cant say you can use it twice in 30 sec. It has a 20s cd (traited) which means you can use it 3 times over 60 sec. Sure you get the second proc after 20 sec so theoretically you get procced twice in the first 30 sec but if the fight lasts 60 sec you get the proc 3 times not 4 times. So over 60 sec IF YOU GET hit continuously over the block duration you will get healed 3000 x 3 times for 9K heal. Whereas pre patch you only need to block ONE SINGLE attack for the 5k heal. And you can do that 3 times over 60 sec giving you 15K heal over 60 sec.

So i'm afraid simple math proves defender runes was WAAAAY better pre patch on a shield warrior. (standard GS, X/Shield warrior)

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Spartacus.3192 said:no you cant say you can use it twice in 30 sec.Sure you get the second proc after 20 sec so theoretically you get procced twice in the first 30 sec but if the fight lasts 60 sec you get the proc 3 times not 4 times. So over 60 sec IF YOU GET hit continuously over the block duration you will get healed 3000 x 3 times for 9K heal.And you can do that 3 times over 60 sec giving you 15K heal over 60 sec.yes I canyou admit its possible to get 2 procs in 30 sec but not 4 in 60... hmm. if you use the block in the first few seconds of a fight, it starts the timer. if using shield mastery, that timer is 20 sec. so 3 procs over 60 sec plus the one in the beginning. that equals 4. sure its not gonna be a perfect tidy number, its more like 65sec or so. its funny how your version can get 3 procs over 60sec but mine cant get 4 over 60... lol. plus its 1sec of regen not 2.old defender runes.(1): +25 Healing(2): When you block a foe's attack, gain 1 second of Regeneration.(3): +50 Healing(4): When you use a heal skill, gain Aegis for 5 seconds. (Cooldown: 10s)(5): +100 Healing(6): When you block a foe's attack, heal yourself. (Cooldown: 30s)

[Spartacus.3192]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@"Spartacus.3192" said:no you cant say you can use it twice in 30 sec.Sure you get the second proc after 20 sec so theoretically you get procced twice in the first 30 sec but if the fight lasts 60 sec you get the proc 3 times not 4 times. So over 60 sec IF YOU GET hit continuously over the block duration you will get healed 3000 x 3 times for 9K heal.And you can do that 3 times over 60 sec giving you 15K heal over 60 sec.yes I canyou admit its possible to get 2 procs in 30 sec but not 4 in 60... hmm. if you use the block in the first few seconds of a fight, it starts the timer. if using shield mastery, that timer is 20 sec. so 3 procs over 60 sec plus the one in the beginning. that equals 4. sure its not gonna be a perfect tidy number, its more like 65sec or so. its funny how your version can get 3 procs over 60sec but mine cant get 4 over 60... lol. plus its 1sec of regen not 2.old defender runes.(1): +25 Healing(2): When you block a foe's attack, gain 1 second of Regeneration.(3): +50 Healing(4): When you use a heal skill, gain Aegis for 5 seconds. (Cooldown: 10s)(5): +100 Healing(6): When you block a foe's attack, heal yourself. (Cooldown: 30s)

Ok so lets take it your way. 2 in the first 30 sec. Its still better pre patch because the best you can get is 6k heal on those 2 procs now whereas it was just under 5k per proc before so thats 10k for 2 procs. Also the tool tip was incorrect. It was always 2s regen per block not 1 sec. I personally tested it myself multiple times and it was even mentioned in the wiki that it was 2 sec per block not 1 sec. That was one of the biggest "secrets" of the old defender rune, the 2 sec regen per block.Lastly dont forget the free AEGIS which blocked one attack which could easily happen to be a big attack.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

@Spartacus.3192 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Spartacus.3192 said:no you cant say you can use it twice in 30 sec.Sure you get the second proc after 20 sec so theoretically you get procced twice in the first 30 sec but if the fight lasts 60 sec you get the proc 3 times not 4 times. So over 60 sec IF YOU GET hit continuously over the block duration you will get healed 3000 x 3 times for 9K heal.And you can do that 3 times over 60 sec giving you 15K heal over 60 sec.yes I canyou admit its possible to get 2 procs in 30 sec but not 4 in 60... hmm. if you use the block in the first few seconds of a fight, it starts the timer. if using shield mastery, that timer is 20 sec. so 3 procs over 60 sec plus the one in the beginning. that equals 4. sure its not gonna be a perfect tidy number, its more like 65sec or so. its funny how your version can get 3 procs over 60sec but mine cant get 4 over 60... lol. plus its 1sec of regen not 2.old defender runes.(1): +25 Healing(2): When you block a foe's attack, gain 1 second of Regeneration.(3): +50 Healing(4): When you use a heal skill, gain Aegis for 5 seconds. (Cooldown: 10s)(5): +100 Healing(6): When you block a foe's attack, heal yourself. (Cooldown: 30s)

Ok so lets take it your way. 2 in the first 30 sec. Its still better pre patch because the best you can get is 6k heal on those 2 procs now whereas it was just under 5k per proc before so thats 10k for 2 procs. Also the tool tip was incorrect. It was always 2s regen per block not 1 sec. I personally tested it myself multiple times and it was even mentioned in the wiki that it was 2 sec per block not 1 sec. That was one of the biggest "secrets" of the old defender rune, the 2 sec regen per block.Lastly dont forget the free AEGIS which blocked one attack which could easily happen to be a big attack.

meh yeah youre right. I got over zealous trying to defend, well, defender runes lol. that 10% vitality boost is nice tho, I mean cmon free stats man.

[Spartacus.3192]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Spartacus.3192 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:

@Spartacus.3192 said:no you cant say you can use it twice in 30 sec.Sure you get the second proc after 20 sec so theoretically you get procced twice in the first 30 sec but if the fight lasts 60 sec you get the proc 3 times not 4 times. So over 60 sec IF YOU GET hit continuously over the block duration you will get healed 3000 x 3 times for 9K heal.And you can do that 3 times over 60 sec giving you 15K heal over 60 sec.yes I canyou admit its possible to get 2 procs in 30 sec but not 4 in 60... hmm. if you use the block in the first few seconds of a fight, it starts the timer. if using shield mastery, that timer is 20 sec. so 3 procs over 60 sec plus the one in the beginning. that equals 4. sure its not gonna be a perfect tidy number, its more like 65sec or so. its funny how your version can get 3 procs over 60sec but mine cant get 4 over 60... lol. plus its 1sec of regen not 2.old defender runes.(1): +25 Healing(2): When you block a foe's attack, gain 1 second of Regeneration.(3): +50 Healing(4): When you use a heal skill, gain Aegis for 5 seconds. (Cooldown: 10s)(5): +100 Healing(6): When you block a foe's attack, heal yourself. (Cooldown: 30s)

Ok so lets take it your way. 2 in the first 30 sec. Its still better pre patch because the best you can get is 6k heal on those 2 procs now whereas it was just under 5k per proc before so thats 10k for 2 procs. Also the tool tip was incorrect. It was always 2s regen per block not 1 sec. I personally tested it myself multiple times and it was even mentioned in the wiki that it was 2 sec per block not 1 sec. That was one of the biggest "secrets" of the old defender rune, the 2 sec regen per block.Lastly dont forget the free AEGIS which blocked one attack which could easily happen to be a big attack.

meh yeah youre right. I got over zealous trying to defend, well, defender runes lol. that 10% vitality boost is nice tho, I mean cmon free stats man.

hah no worries man. I do agree the toughness and 10% health is definitely a nice boost. ANET took away the better healing/regen/aegis to give more defensive stats.