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Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

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@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

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@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

As I said (Evasion up the wazzoo). Whirling defense against a ranger, they wont be able to hit.

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Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

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@Solori.6025 said:Ahh so for thief your advice is.

Blow your elite and survive or die. andDodge..

Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

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@iKeostuKen.2738 said:

@Solori.6025 said:Ahh so for thief your advice is.

Blow your elite and survive or die. andDodge..

Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

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@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Solori.6025 said:Ahh so for thief your advice is.

Blow your elite and survive or die. andDodge..

Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

A thief has evades. When you see them use sic em, steal for the daze because you already know they are blowing there lb2. Youl know when they go soulbeast so get ready to use DS. Still have 2 evades leff and already have been doing damage at this point. They have blown their 2 big burst rotations. You have the advantage.

Thing about soulbeast is that its predictable.

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@"Multicolorhipster.9751" said:Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

I'll show you a quality meme.

Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

g7KAaWj.gif

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@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Wait, then why did they nerf good old confusion Mirage into the ground if you can just dodge the shatter, cleanse the confusion or become invulnerable?!

Oh, right, because if it's Mirage that performs above average everybody instantly loses their minds.

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@yusayu.3629 said:

@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Wait, then why did they nerf good old confusion Mirage into the ground if you can just dodge the shatter, cleanse the confusion or become invulnerable?!

Oh, right, because if it's Mirage that performs above average everybody instantly loses their minds.

Probably because the class was over performing while also being tough to kill while pushing out an excess amount of condition pressure that many classes couldn't cleanse through. Not many people like fighting condition builds.

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@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@"Multicolorhipster.9751" said:Potentially unblockable, unreflectable, unasorbable damage at that. Important caveat I think, because when the only real counterplay is to just dodge we get C-Tier quality memes.

I'll show you a quality meme.

Pay attention, it contains the secret knowledge of how to counter-play a Ranger with a longbow.

g7KAaWj.gif

Pffft. Alright, you win. B-tier.

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@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

Condition can be removed by Escapist's Fortitude + Superior Rune of Lyssa , while you cast Bay Blade...i mean Dagger Storm.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@Solori.6025 said:Ahh so for thief your advice is.

Blow your elite and survive or die. andDodge..

Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

Thief has build in evades attacks , with the weapons

Could you either :a) to try to defend your class (create more powercreep) or

b) choose to make threads asking the Devs to fix their game (less powercreep)https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/76805/fix-balance-disparity-between-classes-please

Its the same disparity of view we had in 7 years ago from the thief population

(Now that Gaile is gone , canwe attack each other ?They will defend => whine for powercreep -> move to other games in 2 years period ...7 years its the same ''movie''in 2 years , they frustate 200 players , and they simply ''move on '' like they didnt do anything wrong...)

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@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

Condition can be removed by Escapist's Fortitude + Superior Rune of Lyssa , while you cast Bay Blade...i mean Dagger Storm.

@Solori.6025 said:Ahh so for thief your advice is.

Blow your elite and survive or die. andDodge..

Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

Thief has build in evades attacks , with the weapons

Could you either :a) to try to defend your class (create more powercreep) or

b) choose to make threads asking the Devs to fix their game (less powercreep)

Its the same disparity of view we had in 7 years ago from the thief population

(Now that Gaile is gone , canwe attack each other ?They will defend => whine for powercreep -> move to other games in 2 years period ...7 years its the same ''movie''in 2 years , they frustate 200 players , and they simply ''move on '' like they didnt do anything wrong...)

Lmao so because a noody makes a build and names the vid new meta build u uptake it as a new meta build? Seriously u xant be serious. Vallun has some builds up to where he does the usual +1 ing,nothing's changed. Even the streamer u use as a example comments in vallun stream how last patch killed d/p lmao. If u think thief is a viable brawler spec especially these days against the powercrept classes that are out now u are a very bad player losing to thief in 1v1 lol sry dont mean any disrespect but is true. Thief hasn't been close to OP or even viable as a brawler or 1v1 for a lot of years now. Theres a reason it's used to decap and +1 right? U can delude urself into thinking otherwise to make u feel better about playing ur powercrept class and yet still losing to a weak class like thief :)

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@Psycoprophet.8107 said:

@iKeostuKen.2738 said:Some classes also have invulns they can use =]

Warriors do. (Way to much actually)Guardians do.Rangers do.Mesmers do.Necromancers dont.Engineers do.Thief's do. (Evasion up the wazzoo)Rev's do.Elementalist do.

Poor necros, just gotta hope to soak it up, but everyone else can atleast build against it. And please dont give me that.

Thief has no invulnerability so.... evade isn't the same in the slightest as everyone has evade through dodge ontop of a few skills with built 8n evades. DS can be shut down by condi.

Condition can be removed by Escapist's Fortitude + Superior Rune of Lyssa , while you cast Bay Blade...i mean Dagger Storm.

@Solori.6025 said:Ahh so for thief your advice is.

Blow your elite and survive or die. andDodge..

Good one. Wish everyone that played it woulda thought of that.

Your elite can be used for any way you wanna use it. A smart way to use it. Since its a defensive skill...not sure why you wouldnt use it for defense.

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Whirling defence? U mean DS? Any ranger will survive and or step back and delete u once ur spins over or use any skill that apply condi. Only a ranger with less than 25% hp and bad awareness dies to DS. This is akin to the community thief is invincible with its infinite dodge and ini people seem to quote it having.

its not used to kill the ranger, its used to survive their burst. As the point of this topic.

And after u servive the burst? Slb can do multiple burst that will instantly down a thief so. But ur right thief can avoid a standard attack using DS and other evades as every other class can. Cool story lol

Thief has build in evades attacks , with the weapons

Could you either :a) to try to defend your class (create more powercreep) or

b) choose to make threads asking the Devs to fix their game (less powercreep)

Its the same disparity of view we had in 7 years ago from the thief population

(Now that Gaile is gone , canwe attack each other ?They will defend => whine for powercreep -> move to other games in 2 years period ...7 years its the same ''movie''in 2 years , they frustate 200 players , and they simply ''move on '' like they didnt do anything wrong...)

Lmao so because a noody makes a build and names the vid new meta build u uptake it as a new meta build? Seriously u xant be serious. Vallun has some builds up to where he does the usual +1 ing,nothing's changed. Even the streamer u use as a example comments in vallun stream how last patch killed d/p lmao. If u think thief is a viable brawler spec especially these days against the powercrept classes that are out now u are a very bad player losing to thief in 1v1 lol sry dont mean any disrespect but is true. Thief hasn't been close to OP or even viable as a brawler or 1v1 for a lot of years now. Theres a reason it's used to decap and +1 right? U can delude urself into thinking otherwise to make u feel better about playing ur powercrept class and yet still losing to a weak class like thief :)

This is the mentality , that defend , whines and they bails out.And then i am the bad guy that gets reports .

Because of videos like these , new playstyles are created , while the rest of the thief commity w8s like a sheep(you) .True... casual ppl (like you) cant do that tricks , so avoid using termonology , that thiefs is underpower whike you cry .The only thief different from the video is that his steal get reduced from 1200 range to half , but NOW he gets 450 hp ON EACH EVADE20 evade x 450 hp = 9.000 healing

1400 posts , and thinking that Thief , have 2 dodges like the rest of the class . You make me laugh :)

Edit: Either defend or whine about creep ...dont be Cynz

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@Woof.8246 said:Because of videos like these , new playstyles are created , while the rest of the thief commity w8s like a sheep(you) .True... casual ppl (like you) cant do that tricks , so avoid using termonology , that thiefs is underpower whike you cry .The only thief different from the video is that his steal get reduced from 1200 range to half , but NOW he gets 450 hp ON EACH EVADE20 evade x 450 hp = 9.000 healing

the trait still has 1s cooldown for the heal and it was previously a minor trait, so not a heal he didnt have before. he just now has the option not to have that heal.

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