praqtos.9035 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sand_Shards - 266(1) damage . Grandmaster elite spec traithttps://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Impact- 398(1.5) damage . Minor adept trait which is unblockableSo... question is: why Meme cloak is so trash being a grandmaster trait and outclassed by a minor adept trait ? :joy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I member people whining about it being OP even before patch hit the servers, LUL. its so bad its not even funny. you have to preety much hit it like 5-6 times back to back to make any use of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 May be they can make it UNBLOCKABLE and steal THREE boons at least? Its really pathetic that minor adept trait does way more damage than grandmaster and also has unblockable fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 dood. it removes STABILITY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Stand The Wall.6987 said:dood. it removes STABILITY.So what? This wont replace IH that contain all the damage from ambush because all ambushes were gutted to be somewhat decent only with 2-3 clones.Its literally does nothing most of the time, you dont want to be melee in front of someone almost never except quick burst on power mesmer. At least with IH you can save your clones from some AoEs.GRANDMASTER is worse than MINOR ADEPT trait... but but...stability rip! xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daishi.6027 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Would be nice if it actually STOLE boons instead of just cleansing theirs and giving you a crappy version.On top of being block-able, and less damaging... A-net's bias is showing.If it want's lower damage fine, but it should be unblockable along with a proper steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Stand The Wall.6987 said:dood. it removes STABILITY.too bad that mesmer has shit CC so we dont care about stability anymore ;ponly saving grace is we can copy vigor becouse ours is trash, but then becouse we dont have IH ambush is useless xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appelflap.8310 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Try this build, it steals boons for days with tons of dmg. Perfect build vs heavy boon classes like boonbeast, holo, etc...Been running his build for about a month now and i can say its op vs heavy boonclasses, even the dmg from dune claok is pretty good on this build since you stack so much might together with superiority complex. Its a good overall build vs all classes with the potential to 1vx, tho i gotta say its a build for the more experienced mesmers out there!http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAEx/lRwoYXsEmJW6OVPdA-zVZYBRNRErYo9iOCS4MyUq2tqSxHgA2DvjqXA-w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 @"appelflap.8310" said:Try this build, it steals boons for days with tons of dmg. Perfect build vs heavy boon classes like boonbeast, holo, etc...Been running his build for about a month now and i can say its op vs heavy boonclasses, even the dmg from dune claok is pretty good on this build since you stack so much might together with superiority complex. Its a good overall build vs all classes with the potential to 1vx, tho i gotta say its a build for the more experienced mesmers out there!http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PiwAEx/lRwoYXsEmJW6OVPdA-zVZYBRNRErYo9iOCS4MyUq2tqSxHgA2DvjqXA-wFirst of all thats wvw and there you can kill most of people with your legs. On top of that this stupid mount and just broken overall due to all stats,food, split balance.In pvp CI is pretty much deleted and you with your build would be deleted as well even if they wouldnt disable CI :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoci.2481 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 So what if it's WvW? Is that not important? I think WvW is way more interesting, diverse and complex than the repetitive sPvP. Too bad balance is worse, they should fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @praqtos.9035 said:snipslol the favoritism is strong with this one. yes lets ignore what a stab rip can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Stand The Wall.6987 said:@praqtos.9035 said:snipslol the favoritism is strong with this one. yes lets ignore what a stab rip can do.How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ... especially on class that dont want to be melee compared with a class who want to be melee... clueless asf... wasnt you the one who was QQing a river and screaming how OP this with new chaos trait ? :DIs every subforum is like that or its just mesmer one where mesmer haters lurk in every single thread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @praqtos.9035 said:How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ... dood. in what world should something do the same damage as something else, but with a powerful functionality on top of that? step back and think about this. comparing traits between two professions without looking at the big picture is not a persuasive argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Stand The Wall.6987 said:@"praqtos.9035" said:How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ... dood. in what world should something do the same damage as something else, but with a powerful functionality on top of that? step back and think about this. comparing traits between two professions without looking at the big picture is not a persuasive argument.Every single evade trait like daredevil one is a strong trait with powerful functionality, lets nerf it to be on par with MemeCloak?Compared to any this trait is pure garbage, not even that, mirage cant even exist now without IH as I said before ambushes were gutted and ambush alone without clones is trash.Literally every evade on daredevil is better than this, on top provide unremovable unique buff.Even if you return unnerfed EM condi builds will never drop IH as without it they wont do any damage and only power oneshot builds would pick it just to run away freely if they fail. About "the bigger picture" not even one mesmer build is viable without IH and wouldnt be unless they drastically buff personal ambush and gut clone one, until then, its trash and the only one who is not seeing the bigger picture is you.Your the only "argument" BUT IT REMOVE STABILITY !11111 is weak and laughable.Certain trait on one class shouldnt be buffed/nerfed because similar trait belong to another class? Like Second skin on soulbeast had 33% condi damage reduction and scrapper barrier had 20% and it was nerfed to be equal on 20%, but then you should have been the first who would defend this screaming BUT SOULBEAST IS NOT SCRAPPER!11 Look its two different classes!How even we would know something is OP and something is not if we dont looking for similar traits and classes. What favoritism is when you let be one thing busted on one class and be clearly trash on another, thats favoritism and its clearly not in mesmer favor with all whine and mesmer haters like you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse.7382 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 @praqtos.9035 said:@Stand The Wall.6987 said:@praqtos.9035 said:How you even dare to say about FAVORITISM when GRANDMASTER is twice worse than MINOR ADEPT ... dood. in what world should something do the same damage as something else, but with a powerful functionality on top of that? step back and think about this. comparing traits between two professions without looking at the big picture is not a persuasive argument.Every single evade trait like daredevil one is a strong trait with powerful functionality, lets nerf it to be on par with MemeCloak?Compared to any this trait is pure garbage, not even that, mirage cant even exist now without IH as I said before ambushes were gutted and ambush alone without clones is trash.Literally every evade on daredevil is better than this, on top provide unremovable unique buff.Even if you return unnerfed EM condi builds will never drop IH as without it they wont do any damage and only power oneshot builds would pick it just to run away freely if they fail. About "the bigger picture" not even one mesmer build is viable without IH and wouldnt be unless they drastically buff personal ambush and gut clone one, until then, its trash and the only one who is not seeing the bigger picture is you.Your the only "argument" BUT IT REMOVE STABILITY !11111 is weak and laughable.Certain trait on one class shouldnt be buffed/nerfed because similar trait belong to another class? Like Second skin on soulbeast had 33% condi damage reduction and scrapper barrier had 20% and it was nerfed to be equal on 20%, but then you should have been the first who would defend this screaming BUT SOULBEAST IS NOT SCRAPPER!11 Look its two different classes!How even we would know something is OP and something is not if we dont looking for similar traits and classes. What favoritism is when you let be one thing busted on one class and be clearly trash on another, thats favoritism and its clearly not in mesmer favor with all whine and mesmer haters like youHere here mate, fully and completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincolnbeard.1735 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Ripping stab op! Especially when you can do it far better with IH and sw ambush...Make it steal boons and affect clones as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viquing.8254 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 The copy boon duration is kinda meh.If you want to facepalm, clone death were removed for 30% of reckless impact output. But some professions are allowed to be cheesy.(On a side note without this trait, warrior in PvP will lose 60% of their damage.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flog.3485 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 They really need to make IH baseline to make this trait worth it then. Complaining that sand shards doesn’t do enough damage isn’t right though. It is a utility trait, it really shouldn’t do both.As for replacing IH, I would suggest that they straight up have a “ambush attacks deals x amount of more damages” so that you can take it whether you go for condi or power damages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curunen.8729 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The worst part about Dune Cloak?...The visual effect.I don't care what it does, that visual "pop" style explosion is jarring for the eyes and really uncomfortable to look at when using it for an extended period of time. It completely kills the trait for me.Audio and visual comfort is the most important balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engal.6359 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 @Engal.6359 said:It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.what matchup? explain? elaborate?as for condi clear, mesmer is not allowed to have good condiclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praqtos.9035 Posted September 19, 2019 Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 @Engal.6359 said:It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.Its just as good as papasomethingsomething claiming to be playing a really viable build (spoiler: its not)There is not even a single build that would take memecloak over IH, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delofasht.4231 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 @praqtos.9035 said:@Engal.6359 said:It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.Its just as good as papasomethingsomething claiming to be playing a really viable build (spoiler: its not)There is not even a single build that would take memecloak over IH, period.Dune Cloak needs a build with more survivability, which reduces it’s damage too much to really wear down an opponent. Unfortunately, survival power builds lose too many multipliers by giving up precision for toughness and thus lose too much in PvP. In WvW such builds can be made and are durable and do fair damage, but a lot of it ends up coming from passive might generation and vulnerability stacks coupled with the little bit of condition damage gained from vigor and might stacks to up the damage of several of the abilities connecting which when coupled with ripping boons can shutdown all sorts of highly durable but boon reliant enemy builds. Once again, that can be done in WvW but not sPvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engal.6359 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 @praqtos.9035 said:@Engal.6359 said:It's very useful for certain matchups. I would make it also transfer one condi but w/e.Its just as good as papasomethingsomething claiming to be playing a really viable build (spoiler: its not)There is not even a single build that would take memecloak over IH, period.Nope! I take dune cloak on mantra mirage for ranked so yeah, ppl use it. It helps with holo, ranger, guard, and any other classes with stab as we can steal it.There's your single build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 tried to make it work recently, even on a build that had ideal synergy with it, it was STILL much MUCH worse then IH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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