Balance Update

LetoII.3782 · October 16, 2019

@Justine.6351 said:
@LetoII.3782 said:
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@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
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@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:
@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:
@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:Rofl yeah pretty much going to be the same old complaints a few months after this patch comes out,
"Nerf cor it hit too hard and invisible!".
They might as well replace the skill as its trash anyhow with the only thing propping it up is the low recharge and energy cost.

Bruh, my CoR's hit 15k's on the regular and I've seen them go as high as 20k. Couple that with Phase Smash, which hits equally as hard, and you can

easily

insta-down a small cluster of players by yourself. With two attacks. Each on less than a 10 second cooldown.

Hammer is difficult to use in 1v1's, outside of that, it's backline damage potential is off the freaking charts. The only reason more people don't die to it is because most people just spam it off cooldown and don't know where to properly align it so that it hits the most players. Basically any time I play Rev in a zerg I'm insta-downing multiple at a time.

CoR has always been absurd. Although I don't think the visual marker will do a whole lot for helping people to avoid it - because most people are blind anyway - the damage reduction is good. It is 100% needed.

Guy, show a vid please. I really do wanna see someone landing back to back 15k cor damage repeatedly. I've checked because I wanted to see how people were supposedly doing so much work with their hammer that I couldn't figure out, you know, to improve.

I am not even going to debate the necessity for damage reduction, all I gonna say is don't expect people to suddenly call CoR balanced because its getting yet another damage nerf. It wont stop, nor will complaints about its visibility.

What I would like is for the cascade to finally not suck so bad since the skill is getting nerfs but is still trash.

Hammer is a slow hard hitting weapon. People don't like getting hit hard with it so when they finally nerf its damage down to like 5k strikes all it will be is a slow weapon.

I'll work on a video this weekend for you. I can either share it here or I can message you directly. I'll probably message you though because I don't think anyone will want to see backline Rev gameplay as it's about as boring to watch as it gets.

I understand and I agree. These forums have always been filled with unreasonable complaints, a sorry sum of which ANet actually listens to. I don't doubt people will continue to complain but I

do

think the nerfs they have listed are necessary. For now that's all I care. If ANet announces that they'll be nerfing it again in the future, then I'll speak up.

I also know that hammer Rev is your main and I understand your passion for the class/weapon. Although I did mean to sound a little sarcastic, I didn't mean to offend. I'm just not worried about what ANet might do to Rev hammer because thus far, CoR has had a damage reduction + cooldown increase shortly after HoT release, and a few skills have gained AOE markers like Drop The Hammer and Phase Smash. Otherwise, they've hardly been touched despite how long people have been saying the damage is too much.

So did you finish the vid for me?

I did not for unforeseen reasons, as convenient as that may sound. My laptop is on it's last legs and it has been struggling to handle recording at the same time as playing GW2 lately. I get severe frame lag to the point that my screen will freeze for 2 - 3 seconds every so often while recording is active. If you'd like to see an example of what that frame lag looks like

you can follow this link here.

At around 1:17 everything comes to a complete halt and this happens multiple times during the video.Also for context; this was kind of a "test" video. I wanted to see how much my laptop could handle and how it looked after being uploaded to Youtube. I never had these issues a few months ago but, hopefully I can replace this thing before it goes ka-put.

And CoR sucks now because it never hits anything and when it does it doesn't do much. I didn't think it deserved to be kneecapped and I believe I said that, I just thought it was deserving of a damage reduction. But then, ANet being ANet, I shouldn't be surprised with how it ended up.

Anyway, I'm confident in the kind of damage it used to be able to achieve and I stand by my opinion that it was deserving of a damage reduction. Unfortunately, it got a lot more than what I thought it should and now it's just depressing to use.

Blah blah blah,"I can't prove it after years of gameplay, but it was too powerful, need nerf"

I have yet to vids of anyone doing consistent 15k CoRs back to back on players that weren't already in downed state.

I stand by my statement,enjoy the scourge/fb blob plays, much fun tehehe.

I don't blob often enough to care and I never have. Maybe because I'm one of the minority that just enjoys playing the game and doesn't lose their minds over balance all the time.

If it's such an issue for you, play another class. Personally, I enjoy what's most fun, not what's best. Maybe you enjoyed hammer because it was best.

Right...

I been playing burn dh.

Only recently though.Nobody that reads these forums routinely could question which class you've championed for the last four years.

I've played power Chrono, spellbreaker, burn guard and reaper over the past 3 years. I chose to defend hammer Rev because literally nobody else will. There are like 3 people that do hammer Rev vids and we don't even post that much because nobody cares. It's underrepresented because hammer is played in only one specific place, not WvW as a whole, but only WvW zerging specifically.

That's not remotely true. Rev isn't the most common roamer, but there's both power and condi revs on every server. What there isn't is hammer rev roamers, same as there isn't staff guard roamers.. Wrong tool for the work.

Everyone who has ever played Chrono should be defending that instead but there are already plenty of mesmers doing that and, failing....

There's also Chronos making it work, I just spent a week dodging Expandas gravity wells.. He's still plenty hard to kill. What I'd complain about is the veilbots losing their place to scrapper, that was rude.

I didn't "choose" hammer Rev because it's "the best", I chose it because at the time nobody was playing it, it feel off meta for whatever reason.

See response #1 but change roamer to also very popular for zerging, since it was introduced.

I was waiting for anet to gut hammer Rev but instead they hit my backup, power Chrono. Now they garbage canned Cor which ultimately won't mean much until the zerglings find another skill to complain about which is most likely going to be phase smash. Depending on how they nerf it, if nerfed hard enough, phase smash will be the death of hammer Rev. And/or riposting shadow.

Remember a few months ago when it was rangers turn? We all get one eventually. That's why it's best to go soft on the nerf campaign.

People are so determined to lock WvW zerging into fb/scourge and then whatever fotm builds exist still. Nerf hammer Rev hard enough and another glass cannon won't magically suddenly become viable, it will just be a slot filled by a scourge. Burn dh isn't going to replace hammer Rev permanently, just long enough for zergs to start hard countering it.

Yeah, I don't get scourge either :/But it both benefits and suffers from bad design, the game didn't need more aoe spam. Same with deadeye, thief should have never got a 1500 range weapon. But should rev have gotten a ranged hammer? Hammer isn't a ranged weapon <,< it's been a problem for rev same as scourge and DE. Heavy armor should be for melee, clothies cast.. They did some weird stuff, and toning down the power creep after the sale is kinda needed. So yeah, the long range mighty blow is a obvious next.

DeadlySynz.3471 · October 16, 2019

@DeceiverX.8361 said:
@Justine.6351 said:Nerfing hammer Rev again and people still saying pirate ship. Well I guess we all can agree it wasn't hammer Rev.

Pirate Ship meta existed before Scourge did. CoR is and was OP because it's basically impossible to deny with it having next to no tell (especially DUE to Scourge) on a cleaving ranged AoE with an overtuned ratio and cooldown thanks to only two skills on hammer being actually good.

Scourge just keeps it that way regardless of what they do to rev, because fundamentally the Scourge is busted in WvW by its design.

Ultimately, the changes here just miss the mark. The AoE coverage, boon spam/corruption, and free sustain need to go, and need to go pretty much in their entirety. That's the bottom line. Anything else is dancing around the issue and won't actually resolve anything.

The reason Scourge is busted in WvW by it's design is because of the main culprit the Guardian/Firebrand in keeping them alive. The scourge on it's own is next to useless. Their slow and have no blocks or invulnerables, and their damage on their own is pathetic. The problem lies with how many scourges are hitting at once, and again, that problem squarely falls on the shoulders of the firebrand. One firebrand can babysit 4 scourges quite easily.

What happens to a scourge on it's own or away from a Guardian? Gets mowed down easily by rangers, thieves, rev's, and mesmers. But still people keep stating Scourge is the issue when it clearly isn't. I think a lot of people play firebrands here which is why there isn't more people speaking up about them.

Corruption isn't a problem, because boon and boon conversion outweigh it by a longs hot thanks in part to the Guardian. The sustain, also the guardian behind it. The support coverage, you can thank the guardian. The retaliation spam eliminating some classes from WvW entirely, again the guardian. Why do so many people have block/aegis uptime on them? Again, the guardian. Why are people being picked up so quickly and prevented from performing any ranged attacks on downs, again the guardian. Why in general have all ranged projectile classes been eliminated from zergs? Of course, the guardian yet again. So why on earth is this class allowed to run around doing what it's doing completely unabated? Forget the Rev, Forget the Scourge, Anet needs to lock onto the guardian and gut them down to only doing 1 or 2 things effectively instead of 10-12.

Shroud.2307 · October 16, 2019

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
If you are someone from HUNT that DOESNT blob, Id like to duel ya sometime. If you are a rev I could use the practice. Rev's are a hit or miss for my build and came across 2 not too long ago that was wrecking everything (seemed to have similar builds, buffed each other thanks to Glint). Sword/x + staff...I need to git gud vs rev's.

Of course I blob, I just don't have a long attention span so I float between blobbing and roaming minute to minute depending on what's going on. The majority of my time in WvW is spent metaphorically chasing cars. If someone says X needs help, I go help, if I see a red dot, I chase it, if I see friends fighting here or there, I join, if I feel like pestering pugs, I roam.

I'm not the best Rev, it's just one of my more favored things to play. I have a few friends that are substantially better than myself, and know a couple people that are also extremely good.If you'd like, I can probably arrange you a duel with who I'd consider to be one of the top 3 Rev's ( and players in general ) that I've fought. I don't personally know him, but I've heard he's extremely nice and I'm confident in his skill. If you'd still prefer to duel me then we can do that too, but I'd prefer to play something other than Rev since it's not one of my better suits.

Bigpapasmurf.5623 · October 16, 2019

@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
If you are someone from HUNT that DOESNT blob, Id like to duel ya sometime. If you are a rev I could use the practice. Rev's are a hit or miss for my build and came across 2 not too long ago that was wrecking everything (seemed to have similar builds, buffed each other thanks to Glint). Sword/x + staff...I need to git gud vs rev's.

Of course I blob, I just don't have a long attention span so I float between blobbing and roaming minute to minute depending on what's going on. The majority of my time in WvW is spent metaphorically chasing cars. If someone says X needs help, I go help, if I see a red dot, I chase it, if I see friends fighting here or there, I join, if I feel like pestering pugs, I roam.

I'm not the best Rev, it's just one of my more favored things to play. I have a few friends that are substantially better than myself, and know a couple people that are also extremely good.If you'd like, I can probably arrange you a duel with who I'd consider to be one of the top 3 Rev's ( and players in general ) that I've fought. I don't personally know him, but I've heard he's extremely nice and I'm confident in his skill. If you'd still prefer to duel

me

then we can do that too, but I'd prefer to play something other than Rev since it's not one of my better suits.

tbh if you are down, I'll duel ya on any class. Ive been away from the game most of the year (PC went down after I upgraded it....go figure) and still feel pretty rusty (I let a core symbol guardian beat me the other night...typically they are not that difficult).

I've dueled some of ya's from HUNT when I manage to find any of you guys not in the zerg (you guys chased me a lot the other day as a group in EB lol) and some o fyou guys/gals have some skill iirc. If it wasn't that I have lots of close friends in SF, i'd ask to join HUNT as long as I could still mainly be a roamer/small scale runner (I dont usually blob unless theres a big fight about to go down)...Im also not typically a fan of the Mag cloud (as I understand thats the server you guys run in) but always up for dueling/gitting gud

Justine.6351 · October 16, 2019

@LetoII.3782 said:
@Justine.6351 said:
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@Justine.6351 said:
@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:
@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:
@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:
@"SpellOfIniquity.1780" said:
@Justine.6351 said:Rofl yeah pretty much going to be the same old complaints a few months after this patch comes out,
"Nerf cor it hit too hard and invisible!".
They might as well replace the skill as its trash anyhow with the only thing propping it up is the low recharge and energy cost.