Do you think Vigor is healthy for PvP?

[DonArkanio.6419]

Hey there,

I am curious what you guys think.

Vigor increases endurance regeneration by 50%.

Do you think Vigor overall is healthy for the PvP as it is?

[Tayga.3192]

It is fine if it was a rare boon, at the very least as rare as stability.

[ArthurDent.9538]

New forum meta is to complains about literally everything. But then I guess that isn't really new just being brought to higher levels everyday.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

Do u think skills that force a players skills into CD healthy or chaining that with imobilizes and dazes lol. This games list goes so far beyond vigor lol

[otto.5684]

Is it okay idea as boon? Yes. Having close to 100% on some builds is a no. PvP should not be evade spam wars.

[Stand The Wall.6987]

as otto said 100% uptime to this isn't okay.

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

Boons were not originally designed to be 100% uptime buffs which is the main issue. High uptime on might, protection, stability, retal etc is bad for pvp, but low uptime allows for interesting gameplay. The only boon that i think doesnt belong in pvp at all is quickness.

[Swagg.9236]

Vigor is the biggest functional dead-end in GW2, because of how utterly worthless basic dodge is in the PvP landscape, and in how it serves no other purpose other than Endurance regeneration. Considering how it's possible to just gain raw units of Endurance, the existence of Vigor is entirely questionable. You'd be better off just deleting Vigor from the game, culling evades and blocks from all of the offensive abilities on weapon bars, and then giving everyone 200 Endurance along with certain utility or trait options which allow players to actively gain Endurance or grant Endurance to allies.

[NecroSummonsMors.7816]

Yes but only if was given to classes with no traits of endurance regeneration and low access to dodge. The point i'm trying to make is: that you should not power creep classes with a lot of active defences with vigor because it just leads to spam

[apharma.3741]

In the core game vigor was twice as strong as it is now and many classes had minor traits that granted close to 50% uptime on crit.

It was reduced to 50% endurance regeneration in 2015 in the same patch that prepared us all for the shape of things to come. The signs were there people [waves arms around like a lunatic] WE DIDN'T LISTEN!! AAAAAAGGHHHH!

[Math.5123]

Holos having100% uptime on vigor with 1 trait isn't okay. Even with all the vigor nerfs to mesmer, they still have permanent vigor with chaos and staff.

It should be rare, not spamable

[Exedore.6320]

The boon is fine. Problem builds have too much access to it.

[Leonidrex.5649]

@"AngelLovesFredrik.6741" said:Holos having100% uptime on vigor with 1 trait isn't okay. Even with all the vigor nerfs to mesmer, they still have permanent vigor with chaos and staff.

It should be rare, not spamable

the difference is that to get close to perma vigor as mesmer you get 3-4 traits and a healing skill for it. its fine if you invest this much to get it.its not fine when holo gets it for free permanently.same thing with thief, 1 trait in acro gives permavigor ( 5s on evade ) meanwhile other classes get several traits and cant even get it to last that long.

[Nath Forge Tempete.1645]

It's fine when it's the only way to get more endurance and not abusing it... Mirage was an outlier here ! not because of the boon itself but its access to it and the synergy with the runes.