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@Calistin.6210 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If they keep the gold , BANNED THEM, they are not helping anywayThey are dead wasteOr give it to other players to help the company

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@Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system by allowing people to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in focusing or judging how people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

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@Swagger.1459 said:All this hubbub about Anet offering nonessential convenience and cosmetic items on the gemstore...

I think the problem is not all the items in there will be considered convenience items. I have zero problems with cosmetic items but some of the stuff in there is kind of necessary if you are serious about the game and wish the be anywhere near efficient.

That's a whole other debate though needing it's own thread

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@Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

@"Swagger.1459" said:All this hubbub about Anet offering nonessential convenience and cosmetic items on the gemstore...

I think the problem is not all the items in there will be considered convenience items. I have zero problems with cosmetic items but some of the stuff in there is kind of necessary if you are serious about the game and wish the be anywhere near efficient.

That's a whole other debate though needing it's own thread

No no, this thread is about gemstore item complaints... "things got little bit more pushy with the "Macro" transactions".

You don't need anything off the gemstore to play or progress in the game period.

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@Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

Try againFallacy , Trap Card

Doesn't mean what you think it means.

Try again.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

Try againFallacy , Trap Card

Doesn't mean what you think it means.

Try again.

I cantI must farm gold to help the companySomething you arent doing now!

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@Killthehealersffs.8940 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

Try againFallacy , Trap Card

Doesn't mean what you think it means.

Try again.

I cantI must farm gold to help the companySomething you arent doing now!

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It's awesome how you just keep showing you do not understand what a strawman is and just keep on using them.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

Try againFallacy , Trap Card

Doesn't mean what you think it means.

Try again.

I cantI must farm gold to help the companySomething you arent doing now!

.....

It's awesome how you just keep showing you do not understand what a strawman is and just keep on using them.

What strawman or timan ?You told me , that by collecting gold i make the company more richer .Why you are not doing your part ?

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The bottom line is that every time spend lots of time to farm gold to then buy gems from the exchange you ARE helping Anet sell gems. You do so by allowing whales to then skip the boring in game gold farm to simply buy the gold they want to so they can then just right away do what they wish to in game.

Essentially everyone that "grinds" gold in game to use on the exchange is a gold farmer for Anet which allows Anet to indirectly sell gold to whales and that makes them lots of $$$ and they don't even have to pay their gold farmers

No this is wrongYou are not grinding gold , to help the ppl that are using real money .You are grinding gold to get an item , even if that from a NPC , or trading Posts or the Gemstore .The person that is using the cash is rewarded for some extra goldAnd you benefit from the Gemstore as a goldsink+the ability to get itesms without paying moneyThats an ecosystemYou will never know the person whos is paying , not he willIts just bussness

What next ?PPl that not bothering with with farming gold and simply login to play the game , they are Oathbreakers ?

Again another fallacious argument.

The intent of the people using the exchange is irrelevant whether the incentive is to buy something for gems in the cash shop or buy something in game with gold. This is another prime example of a strawman to peddle a point that is false. It also doesn't matter if the transactions are anonymous.

All you said here is irrelevant to the argument.

The net effect of people using the exchange means Anet makes more $$$ they other wise wouldn't have. It simple business after all.

You are doing the circular falacy here.You are telling that players grind gold to simply waste it on the Gemstore ?Why not bothering to keep it to their self to gain more wealth , if not to get something ?Are Humonoid that stupid ?

They farm something to get somethingAnd from that action of something , some1 else is benefiting in returnAnd thats ''else'' in return benefit the firstEcosystem , real money circular system in real life

Again more fallacies on your part, I am not telling people to do anything.

People sell gold on the exchange because they want gems for w/e reason, you cannot know what that reason is anymore than I can beyond speculating that they need either the gems to buy somethign or if selling gems they need gold to buy something.

The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for /we reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact thay anet makes gem sale becuase of this system.

Period.

Try again

Agin you are wrong , the company and the Gemstore is a ''middle'' man'' avoiding the goldsellers .If ppl dont like a newly Skin in the Gemstore they will be forced to farm gold and buy it , because moraly are obligated to help the ppl that pay real money and the Company ?Or they are going to keep the gold ?If yeas Ban them , they are not helping anywy

Another fallacy.

Ofc Anet is a middleman as this is how they are fighting goldsellers by being one themselves via this system byb allowing peepl to do so directly through them, this is why it works and also why it garners them gem sales.

Thanks for proving my point.

Some of you people here seem more interested in judging
how
people support anet rather than the actual discussion and facts.

Which is people using the exchange are supporting Anet by either buying gems to sell for gold or buy selling gold to acquire gems either way you are supporting Anet and helping them make gems sales.

Arenanet is the middle man to avoid the goldsellerPPl are usng real money to get a productPPl use gold to buy a productYou dont work for the paying ones, nor they does

You support the company by not having enought money , but bringning your firends in the gamePPl that use money support , helps to keep the servers till your freinds arrive

(btw whats falacy?)

You are wrong, and yet another fallacy.Try again.

Try againFallacy , Trap Card

Doesn't mean what you think it means.

Try again.

I cantI must farm gold to help the companySomething you arent doing now!

.....

It's awesome how you just keep showing you do not understand what a strawman is and just keep on using them.

What strawman or timan ?You told me , that by collecting gold i make the company more richer .Why you are not doing your part ?

Cool another strawman claiming I said things I never did.:astonished:

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@Calistin.6210 said:The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for w/e reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact that anet makes gem sale because of this system.

Period.

Try again

The more ppl collect/spent gold > they gem-gold conversion will skyrocket > more ppl will lured to buy with real money .This is based the ''study'' that so many ppl was trying to convay to me right ?I see the light now ... i must farm >skyrocket the price .Wanna do it together , or you are with the ''passifists'' that dont want to do their part ?

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@Calistin.6210 said:The net effect of this exchange is that it allows Anet to sell gems to people that wish to buy gold for w/e reason who then in turn buy gold for w/e reason. That is a fact and it's also fact that anet makes gem sale because of this system.

Period.

Try again

The more ppl collect/spent gold > they gem-gold conversion will skyrocket > more ppl will lured to buy with real money .This is based the ''study'' that so many ppl was trying to convay to me right ?I see the light now ... i must farm >skyrocket the price .Wanna do it together , or you are with the ''passifists'' that dont want to do their part ?

Again no.

Maybe you should go read up on what a strawman fallacy is?

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@Calistin.6210

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

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@Swagger.1459 said:@"Calistin.6210"

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people just farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems only to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change the fact that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

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@Swagger.1459 said:@"Vancho.8750" This game exists because of money, not the goodwill of donors or volunteers.

You do not understand business, like at all, nor how generous Anet has been to gw2 players. And you clearly don’t have any better recommendations.

“things got little bit more pushy with the "Macro" transactions”... Game doesn’t run in free pal.

Actually it does exist because of donors and good will.. Do you really think the games costs cover the games upkeep.. No its because of us donating money to get gems through our good will..

@Swagger.1459 said:Sorry, but Anet makes exactly $0 dollars when someone exchanges gold to gems.

But they do make money when people buy gems to exchange for gold. The exchange rate is reactive. Every time people buy gems with gold, it moves the exchange rate in favor of gems (that is, gems can buy more gold), which makes it cheaper to buy in-game items with fixed gold prices, like icy runestones or the griffon mount. That implicitly raises the value of gems, which entices more people to buy them.

A person that does 10x Raids get 200 goldA person that pays will real money will get 250 goldSo if some1 wants some small costs item from the Trading Posts , he better of go farming , because he dont get a trementous amount of boost , with real money .A person that wants a Costumes , wont transform their real cash > gems > gold>gems >buy item , to benefit for the ''boost'' of gold from from other playersAnd even then , the system will takes a 25% cut , going back at 200 goldThat why the company said many times that low costs items > ppl wont buy them with cash .And when they cost 400 gems , but was RNG , ppl whined about predator mechanics .malaka

Different thing is the ingame economy:The gold i got 20 min agao by coverting gold>gems , i ''bought'' them from some1 who spent real money 5 years .We the players use existing money from day 1 launch of GW2 till now that is circulated throught the system)Recycle-Circulation of PAST BITCOIN MONEY is different thing from NEEDING NOW 10/10/2019 REAL MONEY TO KEEP THE SERVERS UPTHE BITCOIN MONEY OF THE PAST have been alreaydy used to create the content like LS2 or Living Story 3 , or pay the 400 workers10/10/2019 NEW REAL MONEY (not gold>gems) is needed to create new content a.k.a LS6 or 3rd expanion or play the 288 workersYou are curently using old money .... used money....already spent....caput money...bitcoins......circulated....bought from some1 4-5 years ago whos doesnt play or breathes...

Different thing ingame economy , effecting players / different thing to keep up the servers

You do know that gems go poof when you spend them in the gemstore right?So people who bought gems to gold and gold to gems 5 years ago most likely already poofed away said gems.Without new people buying gems and adding them to the gem pool we would have alot high gold to gem conversion like for example 1k for 100 gems.And not anyone I know would spend gold to gem for that conversion instead buying gems directly from anet.

So dont worry anet is still getting cash for gems to this day the old gems and cash have been spent years ago aswell.

Without the circulation system , that is based like in real money (your dollar that you spent in the supermarket , in 1-2 year will come back on your hands -they are not printing new dollars every single year for a reason) .

What do you believe ?That a single player that pays 300 dollars per month in the game > getting 24.000 gems , can subtain 50 ''free'' players ?24.000:50 player = each player can only get 480 gems and no more for this month ?And theres a limit like a bunkrupt country , where it forces you to get only 480 for this month ?And w8 till the same player puts another 300 dollars in next month , so you can convert another 480 gems ?

Even theres a aboudance of players that using real money , that each person with 300 dollars can ''carry'' 10 players per month ?so 24.000 gems :10 player = each player can convert 2400 gems per month and a pop up message afterwards slap you with : ''the machines is out of cash , plz try next month''

Simple answer (personal answer C maths:P) : When the game launched the mathematician that did the system insterted some random numbers :The games launced with 1 billion gemsEvery 3 months 15% will be removedIf ppl buy with real cash the ''pricepool'' will be increased by those gemsIf few gems are incerted by bying with real money , then more costly it will become for gold>gemsLow the amount subtracted from 15% > 8% with each year the games get older

You dont seem to know how it work if I spend 10 dollars and buy gems they are mine it wont go into the gem pool unless I convert said gems to gold by buying gold from the exchange.If I decide to instead spend it in the gemstore my gems goes poof they are used up gone.So there is no circulation you speak of old gems get either held on accounts or vanish if used in the gemstore.Thats not taking into account the % of gems that get deducted as tax when buying gold or the gold that vanishes as tax when buying gems.

About you 300 dollar person yes it works exactly like that but the less gems that are in the pool the more the free players as you call them will have to spend gold to get said 480 gems it wont be equal for all of them.So if lets say 20 of them spend and the gem to gold raises enough for another person to buy 300 gems and convert to gold,Anet have then got 2 persons paying.And thats what it continues to do people spend their ingame time (gold) to entince the people with less ingame time to spend thier hard currency (cash) to get what they want ingame.

No , a person that uses 300 dollars > he will put ingame 24.000 gemsAs you said ...some will be forced to spend more gold >gems , because they prices will spike up .But still if all 20 players get 480 each (regadles of how many Gold they spent) ...then a pop up message will show up and say : ''I AM SORRY THE MACHINE DONT HAVE MORE GEMS, TRY NEXT MONTH'' ?The company will give them a loan of Gems?Where the extra gems (if you want 100 more) will come up ?

Again ppl that are using real money to buy the Costumes or Lion Key Boxxes (?) (not many use money to get gold , you can do 15 days of Fractals) then those Gems as you said , they incerted in the system and after 1 min theyare destroyed by bying the costumes .Why doesnt the company offer some : ''BUY GEMS AND GET 200 EXTRA GOLD , RATHER THAN BUYING OUR COSTUMES .... YOU PREFER GOLD WE SEE IN OUR DATA''Where again the gems for the gold>gem conversion comes?

If the person buying 24.000 gems dident buy gold with it from exchange zero of those gems will be added to the pool.If the pool is empty noone will be able to exchange gold and get gems untill other people fill it up with new gems by trading their gems for the gold in the exchanges gold pool.

If there is zero gems then window in exchange will show you can trade zero gold for zero gems.

Anet wont loan any gems if you want 100 more wait or buy with cash.

How do you know how many people use real money to buy gold or just spend their gems in the gemstore directly?

Yes if they dont put them into the exchange it wont enter those trading pools at all so it will get destroyed by buying things from trading post or just sitting on their account waiting to get spent.

Why the company dont offer gold when buying gems is quite simple inflation, if they created more gold from nothing it would negatively affect the game.The game already create alot of gold by us killing monsters and looting so having the gold to gem/gem to gld and taxing the transactions both ways combat inflation alot.

The gems comes from players buying the gold people have sold for gems in the past with new gems they bought with cash.

EditIf you read the reddit thread the economist that used to work for anet john smith could have told you all this but you refused to read it, I even copy pasted the answers to you.

Yes you am comming to my point of view slowly .When you say ''he gems comes from players buying the gold people have sold for gems in the past with new gems they bought with cash.''what do you mean ?I say those gems are from day 1 LanchWhat about you ? They where 3 months ago ?So 300 dollars x 3 months = 72.000 incerseted gems by a single player :20 player = each person can get 3600 gems every 3 months , till the single guy puts 1000 dollars in the next 3 months ?

The company have data that shows that ppl are buying Costumes and Lion boxes for the rare drops to sell them on the TP .But theres some ppl in the past that have used 4.000ingame farmed gold to buy the boxes , and they get personal skins and items that can be sold from the TP for 1000-1200 gold . Theres a net loss hereEven if some1 used their real money to gem>gold > he would spent 100 dollarrs >20.000 gold and stop .Or even ven do it 5 times , to buy all the Garden plots + 8 precursorNot every month x 7 yearsIf he uses real money to gems > buy costumes +boxes the gems vanishes , like never existed

New gems fill the gem pool when players buy gems with cash and then decided to exchange them for gold.

If they dont exchange them for gold no new gems get added and the gold to buy gems raises we dont see the 100 gems for 1 gold anymore that was there at launch do we?

You are completely correct that if you buy gems for cash then spend them on the gem store they vanish exchange dont change in either direction.

Some gems would have been there form launch yes but you know why?People dont want to pay 10.000 gold for the last gems that are in the pool they rather buy new gems and when gems pool get drained to low other people will see they can get alot more gold for their gems and exchange them for gold untill a equilibrium is reached.

I dont know why you think its only 1 person buying gems can assure you there are alot of people buying gems for hard earned cash.But yes if there is no gems it dont matter if you have 1 million gold you wont be able to get any gems untill someone trade gems for the gold that flow in the exchange gold pool.

a) We are styding the ratio or ppl using real money/farming goldNot all 100% of GW2 players use real money every month . So 1x pays and 20x enjoy the game , its more or less 10% of the ppl paying money .Which is a farly accurate number i think

b) From 10% the company gets money , for past and future projects .The gem incerted into the system is ''manipulated'' by the players , like a free food coupon.The company cannot use the already free ingame food coupon from the 10% player to create more money to pay the bills .

c) Spiking numbers from the gold>gem convertion is not the 90% of the community have the idea that is helping the company to allure more ppl to spent more money.Simple answer is the 90% dont want to use money (like myself) .10% pays , not 20%The rest are having fun

Until ppl understand themself that simply dont want to spent money and try to find excuses , i will bite them in the kitten

You do know that the people in the 90% that use their time in game to earn gold and exchange that gold for gems make it possible for anet to get cash from the 10% right?

If noone spent gold for gems there would be no gold for the gem buyers to get for their cash bought gems.

The company dont care if the 90% know that they help them earn cash they are just happy that they do.

Would you rather the 10% bought gold from bots and anet got nothing?

No 90% buy gems and convert it to gold.. Earning gold would take you a thousand years to do.. Especially solo.. The games economy is not real its artificially kept up by Anet imo.

Please talk abit with Killthehealersffs.8940 s/he seem to think that only very few people buy gems and convert to gold.

I am asking youWhy do you think , that because you can manipulated the gems that is inserted into the game (from 1 x player that already payed them) , what makes you a player that offer any finance support to the game ?You manipulate the gems , you have read some ''studies''that you dont understand , and you dont know how to answer based on they studies you already did

Read Calistin.6210 post just above this one, they explain it better then I have been doing during our exchange.Edit@Calistin.6210 just a side note they do give you 400 gems for each 5k ap chest you get so some gems are generated by the in game economy.

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@Swagger.1459 said:@"Vancho.8750" This game exists because of money, not the goodwill of donors or volunteers.

You do not understand business, like at all, nor how generous Anet has been to gw2 players. And you clearly don’t have any better recommendations.

“things got little bit more pushy with the "Macro" transactions”... Game doesn’t run in free pal.

Actually it does exist because of donors and good will.. Do you really think the games costs cover the games upkeep.. No its because of us donating money to get gems through our good will..

@Swagger.1459 said:Sorry, but Anet makes exactly $0 dollars when someone exchanges gold to gems.

But they do make money when people buy gems to exchange for gold. The exchange rate is reactive. Every time people buy gems with gold, it moves the exchange rate in favor of gems (that is, gems can buy more gold), which makes it cheaper to buy in-game items with fixed gold prices, like icy runestones or the griffon mount. That implicitly raises the value of gems, which entices more people to buy them.

A person that does 10x Raids get 200 goldA person that pays will real money will get 250 goldSo if some1 wants some small costs item from the Trading Posts , he better of go farming , because he dont get a trementous amount of boost , with real money .A person that wants a Costumes , wont transform their real cash > gems > gold>gems >buy item , to benefit for the ''boost'' of gold from from other playersAnd even then , the system will takes a 25% cut , going back at 200 goldThat why the company said many times that low costs items > ppl wont buy them with cash .And when they cost 400 gems , but was RNG , ppl whined about predator mechanics .malaka

Different thing is the ingame economy:The gold i got 20 min agao by coverting gold>gems , i ''bought'' them from some1 who spent real money 5 years .We the players use existing money from day 1 launch of GW2 till now that is circulated throught the system)Recycle-Circulation of PAST BITCOIN MONEY is different thing from NEEDING NOW 10/10/2019 REAL MONEY TO KEEP THE SERVERS UPTHE BITCOIN MONEY OF THE PAST have been alreaydy used to create the content like LS2 or Living Story 3 , or pay the 400 workers10/10/2019 NEW REAL MONEY (not gold>gems) is needed to create new content a.k.a LS6 or 3rd expanion or play the 288 workersYou are curently using old money .... used money....already spent....caput money...bitcoins......circulated....bought from some1 4-5 years ago whos doesnt play or breathes...

Different thing ingame economy , effecting players / different thing to keep up the servers

You do know that gems go poof when you spend them in the gemstore right?So people who bought gems to gold and gold to gems 5 years ago most likely already poofed away said gems.Without new people buying gems and adding them to the gem pool we would have alot high gold to gem conversion like for example 1k for 100 gems.And not anyone I know would spend gold to gem for that conversion instead buying gems directly from anet.

So dont worry anet is still getting cash for gems to this day the old gems and cash have been spent years ago aswell.

Without the circulation system , that is based like in real money (your dollar that you spent in the supermarket , in 1-2 year will come back on your hands -they are not printing new dollars every single year for a reason) .

What do you believe ?That a single player that pays 300 dollars per month in the game > getting 24.000 gems , can subtain 50 ''free'' players ?24.000:50 player = each player can only get 480 gems and no more for this month ?And theres a limit like a bunkrupt country , where it forces you to get only 480 for this month ?And w8 till the same player puts another 300 dollars in next month , so you can convert another 480 gems ?

Even theres a aboudance of players that using real money , that each person with 300 dollars can ''carry'' 10 players per month ?so 24.000 gems :10 player = each player can convert 2400 gems per month and a pop up message afterwards slap you with : ''the machines is out of cash , plz try next month''

Simple answer (personal answer C maths:P) : When the game launched the mathematician that did the system insterted some random numbers :The games launced with 1 billion gemsEvery 3 months 15% will be removedIf ppl buy with real cash the ''pricepool'' will be increased by those gemsIf few gems are incerted by bying with real money , then more costly it will become for gold>gemsLow the amount subtracted from 15% > 8% with each year the games get older

You dont seem to know how it work if I spend 10 dollars and buy gems they are mine it wont go into the gem pool unless I convert said gems to gold by buying gold from the exchange.If I decide to instead spend it in the gemstore my gems goes poof they are used up gone.So there is no circulation you speak of old gems get either held on accounts or vanish if used in the gemstore.Thats not taking into account the % of gems that get deducted as tax when buying gold or the gold that vanishes as tax when buying gems.

About you 300 dollar person yes it works exactly like that but the less gems that are in the pool the more the free players as you call them will have to spend gold to get said 480 gems it wont be equal for all of them.So if lets say 20 of them spend and the gem to gold raises enough for another person to buy 300 gems and convert to gold,Anet have then got 2 persons paying.And thats what it continues to do people spend their ingame time (gold) to entince the people with less ingame time to spend thier hard currency (cash) to get what they want ingame.

No , a person that uses 300 dollars > he will put ingame 24.000 gemsAs you said ...some will be forced to spend more gold >gems , because they prices will spike up .But still if all 20 players get 480 each (regadles of how many Gold they spent) ...then a pop up message will show up and say : ''I AM SORRY THE MACHINE DONT HAVE MORE GEMS, TRY NEXT MONTH'' ?The company will give them a loan of Gems?Where the extra gems (if you want 100 more) will come up ?

Again ppl that are using real money to buy the Costumes or Lion Key Boxxes (?) (not many use money to get gold , you can do 15 days of Fractals) then those Gems as you said , they incerted in the system and after 1 min theyare destroyed by bying the costumes .Why doesnt the company offer some : ''BUY GEMS AND GET 200 EXTRA GOLD , RATHER THAN BUYING OUR COSTUMES .... YOU PREFER GOLD WE SEE IN OUR DATA''Where again the gems for the gold>gem conversion comes?

If the person buying 24.000 gems dident buy gold with it from exchange zero of those gems will be added to the pool.If the pool is empty noone will be able to exchange gold and get gems untill other people fill it up with new gems by trading their gems for the gold in the exchanges gold pool.

If there is zero gems then window in exchange will show you can trade zero gold for zero gems.

Anet wont loan any gems if you want 100 more wait or buy with cash.

How do you know how many people use real money to buy gold or just spend their gems in the gemstore directly?

Yes if they dont put them into the exchange it wont enter those trading pools at all so it will get destroyed by buying things from trading post or just sitting on their account waiting to get spent.

Why the company dont offer gold when buying gems is quite simple inflation, if they created more gold from nothing it would negatively affect the game.The game already create alot of gold by us killing monsters and looting so having the gold to gem/gem to gld and taxing the transactions both ways combat inflation alot.

The gems comes from players buying the gold people have sold for gems in the past with new gems they bought with cash.

EditIf you read the reddit thread the economist that used to work for anet john smith could have told you all this but you refused to read it, I even copy pasted the answers to you.

Yes you am comming to my point of view slowly .When you say ''he gems comes from players buying the gold people have sold for gems in the past with new gems they bought with cash.''what do you mean ?I say those gems are from day 1 LanchWhat about you ? They where 3 months ago ?So 300 dollars x 3 months = 72.000 incerseted gems by a single player :20 player = each person can get 3600 gems every 3 months , till the single guy puts 1000 dollars in the next 3 months ?

The company have data that shows that ppl are buying Costumes and Lion boxes for the rare drops to sell them on the TP .But theres some ppl in the past that have used 4.000ingame farmed gold to buy the boxes , and they get personal skins and items that can be sold from the TP for 1000-1200 gold . Theres a net loss hereEven if some1 used their real money to gem>gold > he would spent 100 dollarrs >20.000 gold and stop .Or even ven do it 5 times , to buy all the Garden plots + 8 precursorNot every month x 7 yearsIf he uses real money to gems > buy costumes +boxes the gems vanishes , like never existed

New gems fill the gem pool when players buy gems with cash and then decided to exchange them for gold.

If they dont exchange them for gold no new gems get added and the gold to buy gems raises we dont see the 100 gems for 1 gold anymore that was there at launch do we?

You are completely correct that if you buy gems for cash then spend them on the gem store they vanish exchange dont change in either direction.

Some gems would have been there form launch yes but you know why?People dont want to pay 10.000 gold for the last gems that are in the pool they rather buy new gems and when gems pool get drained to low other people will see they can get alot more gold for their gems and exchange them for gold untill a equilibrium is reached.

I dont know why you think its only 1 person buying gems can assure you there are alot of people buying gems for hard earned cash.But yes if there is no gems it dont matter if you have 1 million gold you wont be able to get any gems untill someone trade gems for the gold that flow in the exchange gold pool.

a) We are styding the ratio or ppl using real money/farming goldNot all 100% of GW2 players use real money every month . So 1x pays and 20x enjoy the game , its more or less 10% of the ppl paying money .Which is a farly accurate number i think

b) From 10% the company gets money , for past and future projects .The gem incerted into the system is ''manipulated'' by the players , like a free food coupon.The company cannot use the already free ingame food coupon from the 10% player to create more money to pay the bills .

c) Spiking numbers from the gold>gem convertion is not the 90% of the community have the idea that is helping the company to allure more ppl to spent more money.Simple answer is the 90% dont want to use money (like myself) .10% pays , not 20%The rest are having fun

Until ppl understand themself that simply dont want to spent money and try to find excuses , i will bite them in the kitten

You do know that the people in the 90% that use their time in game to earn gold and exchange that gold for gems make it possible for anet to get cash from the 10% right?

If noone spent gold for gems there would be no gold for the gem buyers to get for their cash bought gems.

The company dont care if the 90% know that they help them earn cash they are just happy that they do.

Would you rather the 10% bought gold from bots and anet got nothing?

No 90% buy gems and convert it to gold.. Earning gold would take you a thousand years to do.. Especially solo.. The games economy is not real its artificially kept up by Anet imo.

Please talk abit with Killthehealersffs.8940 s/he seem to think that only very few people buy gems and convert to gold.

I am asking youWhy do you think , that because you can manipulated the gems that is inserted into the game (from 1 x player that already payed them) , what makes you a player that offer any finance support to the game ?You manipulate the gems , you have read some ''studies''that you dont understand , and you dont know how to answer based on they studies you already did

Read Calistin.6210 post just above this one, they explain it better then I have been doing during our exchange.Edit@Calistin.6210 just a side note they do give you 400 gems for each 5k ap chest you get so some gems are generated by the in game economy.

That's good to know, seems like this would generate very little gems in the grand scheme of things though. Generally what happens is that people with less time but more money will use $$ to shortcut some in game activities (like grinding for gold) as they have the spare cash but not the time really. This is what the exchange is all about and how it helps Anet turn a profit.

It allows those with more time to buy gems from players with less time, in exchange for gold, which garners more gems sales for Anet.

DDO had a system where people could continuously roll new alts level them to max to acquire free TP but the time to get enough to buy all the adv packs and stuff in the store was ridiculously long and did not dent their TP sale via $$ all that much. I would wager Anet has made sure to have a similar balance to protect their gem sales.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people
just
farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems
only
to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change
the fact
that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

Umm no kidding when someone buys gems with money Anet makes money. That was established In my post buddy...

Or did you miss this part... “ Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.“

And yet again, if you just exchanged gold for gems Anet makes $0 off your transaction... You should know this after all these posts. Or are you still under the assumption that your, personal, gold to gem transaction magically adds money to Anets account?

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@Swagger.1459 said:

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people
just
farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems
only
to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change
the fact
that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

Umm no kidding when someone buys gems with money Anet makes money. That was established In my post buddy...

Or did you miss this part... “ Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.“

And yet again, if you just exchanged gold for gems Anet makes $0 off your transaction... You should know this after all these posts. Or are you still under the assumption that your, personal, gold to gem transaction magically adds money to Anets account?

Uh buddy I never said otherwise what I said was people buying gems off the exchange support the game by helping gem sales, you are the one that keeps ignoring the rest of the sentence or argument we have been making to make it appear like peeps that buy gems via gold are freeloaders.

You are the one that keeps saying it some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo that this encourage people to buy gems for $$$.

Most of us have been saying people buying gems for gold so people that want to sell gems for gold help increase the sales of gems thus supporting Anet indirectly due to increase gem sale for real $.

You have continually been saying that's not true because people buying gems via gold are not directly given Anet money, which while true, only covers half of our argument which you keep on blithely ignoring.

That's what make your argument a strawman.

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@Calistin.6210 said:

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people
just
farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems
only
to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change
the fact
that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

Umm no kidding when someone buys gems with money Anet makes money. That was established In my post buddy...

Or did you miss this part... “ Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.“

And yet again, if you just exchanged gold for gems Anet makes $0 off your transaction... You should know this after all these posts. Or are you still under the assumption that your, personal, gold to gem transaction magically adds money to Anets account?

Uh buddy I never said otherwise what I said was people buying gems off the exchange support the game by helping gem sales, you are the one that keeps ignoring the rest of the sentence or argument we have been making to make it appear like peeps that buy gems via gold are freeloaders.

You are the one that keeps saying it some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo that this encourage people to buy gems for $$$.

Yay! I’m glad that you accept the fact that someone exchanging their gold for gems isn’t funding the game.

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@Swagger.1459 said:

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people
just
farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems
only
to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change
the fact
that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

Umm no kidding when someone buys gems with money Anet makes money. That was established In my post buddy...

Or did you miss this part... “ Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.“

And yet again, if you just exchanged gold for gems Anet makes $0 off your transaction... You should know this after all these posts. Or are you still under the assumption that your, personal, gold to gem transaction magically adds money to Anets account?

Uh buddy I never said otherwise what I said was people buying gems off the exchange support the game by helping gem sales, you are the one that keeps ignoring the rest of the sentence or argument we have been making to make it appear like peeps that buy gems via gold are freeloaders.

You are the one that keeps saying it some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo that this encourage people to buy gems for $$$.

Yay! I’m glad that you accept the fact that someone exchanging their gold for gems isn’t funding the game.

Again a strawman as you are still ignoring the other half of what I said. Don't put words in my mouth please it's crass.

I never said that people buying gems for gold didn't help fund the game. I said they did but indirectly by encouraging more gem sales.

For some odd reason you guys want to belittle the people making the extra sales possible and for some reason elevate the whales using $ to buy gems when in fact the whales could not buy gold for gem if the latter didn't buy gems for gold.

The real truth is they both are supporting the game via this system and one is equally important as the other. Which is why it exists. It wouldn't be in game if it didn't bring Anet extra revenue.

I know this is a difficult concept for you but it is what it is.

If you really think the exchange does not help support the game and that people selling gold on it bring no support and 0$ to Anet, I challenge you to go ahead and try and get them to remove the exchange from the game.

Go on make a petition and get people support you purely on your argument that it brings 0$ to Anet.

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@Swagger.1459 said:

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people
just
farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems
only
to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change
the fact
that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

Umm no kidding when someone buys gems with money Anet makes money. That was established In my post buddy...

Or did you miss this part... “ Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.“

And yet again, if you just exchanged gold for gems Anet makes $0 off your transaction... You should know this after all these posts. Or are you still under the assumption that your, personal, gold to gem transaction magically adds money to Anets account?

Uh buddy I never said otherwise what I said was people buying gems off the exchange support the game by helping gem sales, you are the one that keeps ignoring the rest of the sentence or argument we have been making to make it appear like peeps that buy gems via gold are freeloaders.

You are the one that keeps saying it some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo that this encourage people to buy gems for $$$.

Yay! I’m glad that you accept the fact that someone exchanging their gold for gems isn’t funding the game.

Player A farms gold.

Player A offers gold for gems in the exchange.

Player B doesn't want to farm gold but has cash.

Player B buys gems with cash and uses them to get gold in the exchange.

The gold Player A was offering.

Player B wouldn't have spent cash if Player A didn't have gold to offer.

Thus Player A enabled Player B's RL cash spending which could be used to fund the game.

It's not quantum mechanics...

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@AlexxxDelta.1806 said:

Since you like “ discussion and facts”, here are some facts for you...

Anet earns money off game sales.

Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.

Anet doesn’t earn money when someone exchanges their gold to gems.

Nothing on the gemstore is required to play or progress in the game.

You can get anything off the gemstore for $0 dollars by exchanging gold to gems.

Your future arguments should take those facts in mind.

Here' a fact you keep leaving out.

When someone buys gems expressly to buy gold off of the exchange Anet earns money.

Your argument should take this in mind as we have been saying from the start the exchange makes Anet money as it helps fuel gems sales. No one ever said people
just
farm gold to help anet, no one said people by gems
only
to sell on the exchange and no one said the primary reason people do these things it to be "helpful" or support anet, it still doesn't change
the fact
that this helps fuel gem sales and thus help Anet make profit.

If the people buying gold off the exchange could not do so then they would not buy the gems they do, when buying them to purchase gold obviously, and Anet would lose out on those sales and the gold buyers would have to grind their gold like everyone else in game.

Umm no kidding when someone buys gems with money Anet makes money. That was established In my post buddy...

Or did you miss this part... “ Anet earns money when someone buys gems with money.“

And yet again, if you just exchanged gold for gems Anet makes $0 off your transaction... You should know this after all these posts. Or are you still under the assumption that your, personal, gold to gem transaction magically adds money to Anets account?

Uh buddy I never said otherwise what I said was people buying gems off the exchange support the game by helping gem sales, you are the one that keeps ignoring the rest of the sentence or argument we have been making to make it appear like peeps that buy gems via gold are freeloaders.

You are the one that keeps saying it some kind of mystical mumbo jumbo that this encourage people to buy gems for $$$.

Yay! I’m glad that you accept the fact that someone exchanging their gold for gems isn’t funding the game.

Player A farms gold.

Player A offers gold for gems in the exchange.

Player B doesn't want to farm gold but has cash.

Player B buys gems with cash and uses them to get gold in the exchange.

The gold Player A was offering.

Player B wouldn't have spent cash if Player A didn't have gold to offer.

Thus Player A enabled Player B's RL cash spending which could be used to fund the game.

It's not quantum mechanics...

Player A doesn’t spend a dime supporting the game.

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