Official Feedback Thread about Build and Equipment Templates

[vyncius.6105]

Fix legendary gear, talking about bugs, tedious stat swaping (i prefer- 1 click you can choose any stat for all legendary gear).

Make templates account wide, 435 euros to unlock 9 classes fully is beyond greedy and ridiculous. BuT YoU HaVe MOrE iNveNTorY space---- i dont care, i have full legendary gear, and i had over 120 free inv slots before templates, now having 8 more doesnt make sense to me.

Make templates, not loadouts. Add 'save', 'discard' buttons.

Add more of these, 6 for my main is not enough, i have 5 raid builds and 3 wvw builds, i also had like 3 more yolo builds for open world and fractals, atleast 2 for pvp. Swaping legendary gear runes, sigils, infusions, stats manualy is tedious af

[SatyricL.2784]

@Obtena.7952 said:

Seems lots of people think like that. But the kicker is that there isn't any 'artificial inconvenience' here ... there has always been a desire for templates. The opportunity for Anet to offer templates has always been very real in this game.

By artificial inconvenience I mean that they gave us 3 build templates and 2 equipment templates knowing full well that 9/10 times a new build requires different gear.

[Leablo.2651]

Something I have not seen discussed much or at all is also one of the biggest gameplay issues that should have been addressed by templates: the contextual change that occurs when entering water. This is (consciously or not) one of the reasons people tend to avoid underwater content. The change in weapon skills and unavailability of many utility skills alters what is or isn't optimal. The templates don't adequately address this because the underwater selections only modify skills, with no option to change stats or traits to match. It's also unreasonable to expect players to use up an entire template only for underwater use.

At minimum, the build template should be expanded to include an underwater swap for specialization/trait selection. While it might not be feasible to allow an additional equipment loadout for underwater, there could be a compromise such as allowing the underwater slots to equip only gear that is already present in a template; thus it does not add any item storage but still allows for the possibility of a gear swap.

[Astralporing.1957]

@Ashantara.8731 said:

@"XatraZaytrax.2601" said:I won't be buying more to experiment with this annoying sounding mechanic.

It sounds like a constant grind, yes. And like a remake of the Sirens Landing mechanic. I hope you won't have to constantly reskill your build depending on your "attunement", but we'll see very soon.Seeing how short the durations are for those, they seem do be designed purely for mass mob grinding and nothing else. Which potentially may be great for people farming metaevents, but would probably be quite useless for any more laid-back experience.

[Asum.4960]

@Leablo.2651 said:Something I have not seen discussed much or at all is also one of the biggest gameplay issues that should have been addressed by templates: the contextual change that occurs when entering water. This is (consciously or not) one of the reasons people tend to avoid underwater content. The change in weapon skills and unavailability of many utility skills alters what is or isn't optimal. The templates don't adequately address this because the underwater selections only modify skills, with no option to change stats or traits to match. It's also unreasonable to expect players to use up an entire template only for underwater use.

At minimum, the build template should be expanded to include an underwater swap for specialization/trait selection. While it might not be feasible to allow an additional equipment loadout for underwater, there could be a compromise such as allowing the underwater slots to equip only gear that is already present in a template; thus it does not add any item storage but still allows for the possibility of a gear swap.

Which is just yet another symptom of it being a too limited and too expensive system.

While with Arc you could just press two buttons and swap too your UW build, because why not, you got all the slots you could ever need, now you have to consider a) if having an UW build is worth paying 10€/$, and b) you probably don't have space for it depending on how much different type of content you play with only 6 Slots available.

Fractals like Aquatic Ruins, which I actually somewhat enjoyed the rework of, making it a bit more challenging more in line with other Fractals, became an auto skip, since barely anyone has the time or patience to swap their entire build by hand just for that (and then back, restoring that Loadout slot to what they normally need).

While ArcTemplates encouraged people to pursue endgame goals like acquiring Legendary Gear and encouraged to play a vast array of content, really opening up the game and drastically increasing enjoyment and QoL, Anet's Loadout's achieved the complete opposite.The more engaged with the game someone is, the more the system fall's apart. Prestige items become a QoL detriment and builds for different content/gamemodes unmanageable with too few slots.

At minimum this system needs a save/load functionality, 12-20 slots, unlocks by account instead of character, at a reduced price.If they then added checkboxes to swap automatically to certain builds (including gear) for PvP, WvW, PvE, UW etc., that would be great. But the system needs to be fixed and expanded on first to make that viable.

[BlackyWarsX.5384]

@"Leablo.2651" said:Something I have not seen discussed much or at all is also one of the biggest gameplay issues that should have been addressed by templates: the contextual change that occurs when entering water. This is (consciously or not) one of the reasons people tend to avoid underwater content. The change in weapon skills and unavailability of many utility skills alters what is or isn't optimal. The templates don't adequately address this because the underwater selections only modify skills, with no option to change stats or traits to match. It's also unreasonable to expect players to use up an entire template only for underwater use.

At minimum, the build template should be expanded to include an underwater swap for specialization/trait selection. While it might not be feasible to allow an additional equipment loadout for underwater, there could be a compromise such as allowing the underwater slots to equip only gear that is already present in a template; thus it does not add any item storage but still allows for the possibility of a gear swap.

This is another great point that always bothered me somehow. There were traits for underwater combat, yet there is no dedicated "underwater-build" like the former dedicated PvP and WvW builds. I guess now you can "waste" a slot for an underwater build and gear loadout, well...

Another example of so much potential wasted.

[Random Wax Orc.7695]

I got nearly max tabs for my main when templates were released... just missing one build template. I had already made a second set of gear for my main to be able to play both condi and power when templates got released. Today, I am giving that second gear set to an alt, and just using those six equipment templates for weapon loadouts. I am still annoyed that Engineer and Elementalist don't at least have an OOC weapon swap... and without that ooc weapon swap, equipment templates are too restrictive for Engineer. So basically I am not using templates to any effect.

1. give Engineer/Elementalist OOC weapon swap to make equipment templates fair across all classes..
2. make each equip template be elite sensitive wrt weapons... meaning a single equipment template could dish out different weapons depending on core, elite 1 or elite 2.
3. make linking build templates with equipment templates possible... so there is no struggle to get the right equipment template for your build.

[JustTrogdor.7892]

@Ashantara.8731 said:

@"Xion.5694" said:Hi Stephanie,

:s Epic fail. Stepha

ne

is a male name. ;)

Or maybe it was simply a typo by that person instead of an "epic fail" :s . I can see where that could be an easy mistake. It also has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. ;) ;) ;)

[deadlyjoker.4907]

@"Mikuchan.7261" said:Don't be EA, Blizzard or Bethesda please. Those are the kinds of companies we love to hate.Be like CD Project Red.Be transparent, be non-scummy.Then people won't love to hate you, but will love to love you instead.

exactly this! and it is not difficult to do! You just give out an infinite amount of template spots for everyone, give everyone their gems back and also gift every player around 500 extra gems. Then you improve the template system, remove the "armor" templates, done.Everyone loves you

[Obtena.7952]

@Harrada.8041 said:

@"Obtena.7952" said:

Seems lots of people think like that. But the kicker is that there isn't any 'artificial inconvenience' here ... there has always been a desire for templates. The opportunity for Anet to offer templates has always been very real in this game.

By artificial inconvenience I mean that they gave us 3 build templates and 2 equipment templates knowing full well that 9/10 times a new build requires different gear.

So that's your massive beef? You think you are short an equipment template? That's funny because IIRC, those slots you were given didn't cost anyone anything. So you are right, maybe Anet shouldn't have given you anything for free if you were going to use it to complain that they are imposing an artificial economy on you to force you to buy things.

:BIGROLLEYESHERE:

Here is some reality: That really scummy "got'em" moment you are feeling isn't Anet being greedy; they aren't forcing you to purchase something that's optional. They aren't making things 'inconvenient' for you by giving you access to templates. That thing you are feeling is all about you not wanting to pay for things things you have to pay for ... it's the tinge people get when they realize they aren't entitled to things because they are customers patronizing a service provider.

[The Ace.9105]

Build templates just ruined the normal build stuff completely for me.

Also, the templates keep resetting my skills to their original order on revenant.

[Josiah.2967]

How this is resolved, will determine my future monetary support for this game.

[Aaralyna.3104]

I may hope this fiasco of templates is fixed on the day the 1st episode of icebrood saga is out (I don't even dare touching my revenant atm and its kinda my main character). This should be a priority as it affects basic game play! Who cares about new content if its not playable.

[Acheron.4731]

@Josiah.2967 said:How this is resolved, will determine my future monetary support for this game.

If people held their money as tightly as ANET held their information....lights would start flickering at HQToo many people are willing to pay for a poor service.

[StrYdeR.2459]

@Wielder Of Magic.3950 said:So...What is your official stance Anet?You said you were reading our feedback and internalising it, but that was some time ago.An official response to said feedback would be appreciated before the next episode goes life.Else you might create the impression that you created this thread solely to keep all feedback into a single place while simply staying silent and waiting for the community's anger to blow over.A 'we are listening, but not really' sort of situation.I think thats not in the best interest of Anet, the players, or the game.So any ETA on when we can expect an official response?

Awaiting a response...patiently...though patience is wearing thin...

[eyrywaen.6908]

1. Make Build Storage infinite - and free. Those are the actual templates. if you'd do this, it would solve a lot of the problems people complained about (e.g. having to "play around" with the actual build without being able to save it beforehand), and make the additional template slots what they should be: Quality of life. (Because, you know, keybound swapping instead of opening the hero window...)
2. Either make buying additional build and gear tabs accountwide or reduce the price, because it is ridiculous. I get it, that "additional gear storage space" costs something, but as many other have already pointed out: if you need hundreds of euros to max it out, there are a lot of people who will decide against it.
3. COMMUNICATE with us! And maybe reflect HOW you communcate things. You told us the templates would bring us so much more than we already had, but to be honest, this one additional gear tab was all we got (besides posting builds - which is pretty much useless without infite build storage). Yeah, 3 builds is nice and all, but with WvW/PvP/PvE Builds before we got nothing new out of it.

I like the idea someone in this thread had before: monetize optical effects, that happen while swapping builds! That's something nobody would complain about.

[amnessa.6154]

yo ANET I suddenly forget my wallet somewhere when templates released. pls help me remember by fixing templates pls I may forget my account password aswell in the meantime

[Cuddy.6247]

@"amnessa.6154" said:Imagine anet lifting a finger to type a letter in this topic. Wow don't give me hope. Now I expect to see more updates like this to forcefully milk players instead of adding content. I hope I am wrong about this.

Legit. Before there were some practices and prices and I just went "eh, that's the MMO genre for you."

The way templates were rolled in are straight up a play by play in mobile freemiums where they make a system incredibly obtuse because they want you to buy your way to happiness. And I expect they think they're clever, and they'll probably thrive like mobile games by milking just enough whales that they won't be able to tell the difference in operations and will assume it's a success.

I fear the trend continuing, especially after the lootbox fiasco. And by the end of LWS5 it might be unbearable.

[Obtena.7952]

@Acheron.4731 said:

@Josiah.2967 said:How this is resolved, will determine my future monetary support for this game.

If people held their money as tightly as ANET held their information....lights would start flickering at HQToo many people are willing to pay for a poor service.

If we gave money for information, that might actually make sense.

[Balthzar.3807]

I give up Anet you have removed my ability to care, time to Uninstall

[Linken.6345]

@Balthzar.3807 said:I give up Anet you have removed my ability to care, time to Uninstall

Can you send me your stuff I will take good care of it and send some of it back if you ever return.

[Balthzar.3807]

@Linken.6345 said:

@Balthzar.3807 said:I give up Anet you have removed my ability to care, time to Uninstall

Can you send me your stuff I will take good care of it and send some of it back if you ever return.

I have lots of friends for that

but will keep you in mind

[LucianTheAngelic.7054]

Another week gone and no response from Anet. There’s been over a month and a half of feedback (two and a half weeks of feedback since actual release as well). Definitely not buying gems again until we get a proper response.

[primatos.5413]

Think they do as always...wait it out.... they sure will do the following maths: the players which do not bother giving feedback are fine with templates... the ones who buy this kitten either.. so in their eyes it is “only a small amount of players“ complaining so they keep going as always... should stop believing the consultant bullshit ;)

[Acheron.4731]

@primatos.5413 said:Think they do as always...wait it out.... they sure will do the following maths: the players which do not bother giving feedback are fine with templates... the ones who buy this kitten either.. so in their eyes it is “only a small amount of players“ complaining so they keep going as always... should stop believing the consultant kitten ;)

You can only ride-out the goodwill of the playerbase for so long.Things have a cumulative effect over time.