Raid Meta Test - Sole cPS Warrior

[Mikeskies.1536]

Has anyone tested having only a single cPS Warrior with both banners in the "power" group, and relying on a combination of Scourge/Renegade/Weaver to might stack for the "condi" group? If the "condi" group can produce 25 might, this would free up 5th DPS slot and add 8k additional DPS.

[Xcorpdog.2840]

First thing to note is no one is going to have pin point since engi is not worth bringing right now so lop 1-2k dps off condi builds as a start. Secondly a boss either favors power or condition builds. So splitting the group doesn't make much sense.Scourge can maintain bursts of might but it will either overstack or just be down a fair amount. Renegade loses a portion of damage to maintain might so again it's not just add damage. Weaver doesn't make might it just doesn't.Don't forget you lose both damage and break options on the 1 warrior you have along with making break heavy fights more annoying to deal with, lowering damage even more.

[Valik Shin.9027]

Single warrior comps would relay on a mix of sources for the might. While have a single class might stack in place of a cps may be a dps loss, having 3 or 4 people work together to provide the might may not be a dps loss

[Zenith.7301]

Renegade alone can maintain 12 might stacks from mace 2>3. If you have more classes who can blast the fire field, even better. Might stacking is not hard.

But you do miss empower allies.

[CptAurellian.9537]

EA should be negligible if the non-warrior group is made of condition dps.

[Koyomi.1378]

CPS's unique boons and personal dps aren't really a burden that has to be freed.

[FJSAMA.2867]

@Xcorpdog.2840 said:First thing to note is no one is going to have pin point since engi is not worth bringing right now so lop 1-2k dps off condi builds as a start.

You reach a conclusion and you argue with the oposite explanation...Engie is very much worth using, even power holo. Engie 34/36k personal dps + "1-2k dps" of every condi build (usually x3 - cps cdruid and cdps) its far superior than another 38k dps build. And when you consider that those numbers from dps classes were benchmarked including pointpoint...And then if you consider the amount of utility it brings, the amount of vuln (specially without tempests) and prettymuch every soft cc in the game.... I think the conclusion is that engie is pretty much in a solid place rather than not worthing...

[Xcorpdog.2840]

@FJSAMA.2867 said:You reach a conclusion and you argue with the opposite explanation...Engie is very much worth using, even power holo. Engie 34/36k personal dps + "1-2k dps" of every condi build (usually x3 - cps cdruid and cdps) its far superior than another 38k dps build. And when you consider that those numbers from dps classes were benchmarked including pointpoint...And then if you consider the amount of utility it brings, the amount of vuln (specially without tempests) and pretty much every soft cc in the game.... I think the conclusion is that engie is pretty much in a solid place rather than not worthing...

Both Engineer benchmarks reach 34k and 34.5k (https://qtfy.eu/guildwars/benchmarks-path-of-fire/)In a real raid where you want power dps, Weaver & Dragon Hunter either match or beat Holosmith burst on small hit boxes with close to the same sustained dps. On large hitboxes power holosmith just lags behind both.In fights that favor condition builds, Scourge, Condition Weaver, Renegade, & Firebrand will do significantly more dps than a Condition Engineer, while having infinitely more realistic rotations than a condition engineer. Trying to compare an optimized rotation for Condition Engineer & other professions in raids is not so simple as to as all builds will hit peak performance. A complex rotation like Engineer's is much harder to pull off than any other at the moment. On top of that compare to Scourge or Firebrand, Engineer is overly punished anytime a boss moves since most of it's high dps skills are stationary AoE's.Even qt opening says that engineer is not really worth using right now due to the tuning of the current generation of elites specs.See condition favorable fight Sabetha where Scourge trashes any numbers an engineer could get.

Which ironically when you stack 3 scourges the might does become adequate.

[Nephalem.8921]

Can you please stop defending holo or we will never see buffs. It is playable and fun but far from optimal in fracs or raids.Problem is that warr brings also lots of cc and most of the new high dmg pof specs lack that.

But in Terms of might double renegade, one with invocation, or renegade scourge should reach high might. Add chrono and druid and it shouldn't be hard to keep 25.

[TexZero.7910]

@Nephalem.8921 said:Can you please stop defending holo or we will never see buffs. It is playable and fun but far from optimal in fracs or raids.

Don't have to worry about that, it's an engineer. It like necro's can never have nice things (without being kneecapped and shoved off a cliff)

[Zenith.7301]

The better idea is to nerf the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/soulbeast down to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs, with condi specs at a ceiling of 35-36k to justify their lack of burst.

The deltas are way too high across specs, especially between power and condi builds.

More importantly, specs with less cleave/aoe such as mesmers and thief should be doing more DPS than specs with cleave/aoe.

There is something unacceptable when power greatsword soulbeast can barely break 24k DPS, power greatsword reaper can't hit beyond 27k, and then there are builds hitting 36k+. It's just absurd.

Not WoW, not FFXIV, not Wildstar, not ESO have deltas in performance across specs anywhere near as large as GW2, and that's because GW2 balance lives and dies by PvP seasons.

PvP will never be balanced. There's always a disparity in skill between opponents. PvE on the other hand can be successfully balanced, since the opponent doesn't change. They either need to actually do consistent split balancing and work on buffing PvE underperformers instead of designing for PvP and any change that happens to PvE is collateral for PvP/WvW balance design concerns.

[TexZero.7910]

@Zenith.7301 said:PvP will never be balanced. There's always a disparity in skill between opponents. PvE on the other hand can be successfully balanced, since the opponent doesn't change. They either need to actually do consistent split balancing and work on buffing PvE underperformers instead of designing for PvP and any change that happens to PvE is collateral for PvP/WvW balance design concerns.

Keep on preachin'

[Coconut.7082]

@Zenith.7301 said:The better idea is to nerf the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/soulbeast down to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs

Agreed, pls nerf Power Soulbeast to a baseline of 34k!

[GhostApi.8902]

It is not optimal but to be fair optimal is overkill on most raids. This is an interesting alternative for static groups tired of the meta comp.

[Zenith.7301]

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:The better idea is to nerf the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/soulbeast down to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs

Agreed, pls nerf Power Soulbeast to a baseline of 34k!

Reading is hard ;p. Baseline for power specs should be 34k. Obviously that's not the current case for reaper or either ranger power spec or power warrior/spellbreaker.

Buff power spec underperformers to 34k baseline, and the condi specs should be at around 35-36k.

[Coconut.7082]

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:The better idea is to nerf the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/soulbeast down to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs

Agreed, pls nerf Power Soulbeast to a baseline of 34k!

Reading is hard ;p. Baseline for power specs should be 34k. Obviously that's not the current case for reaper or either ranger power spec or power warrior/spellbreaker.

Buff power spec underperformers to 34k baseline, and the condi specs should be at around 35-36k.

Reading is not hard actually:

The better idea is to nerf the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/soulbeast down to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs

:p

[Zenith.7301]

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Coconut.7082 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:The better idea is to nerf the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/soulbeast down to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs

Agreed, pls nerf Power Soulbeast to a baseline of 34k!

Reading is hard ;p. Baseline for power specs should be 34k. Obviously that's not the current case for reaper or either ranger power spec or power warrior/spellbreaker.

Buff power spec underperformers to 34k baseline, and the condi specs should be at around 35-36k.

Reading is not hard actually:

The better idea is to

nerf

the pof specs like scourge/firebrand/

soulbeast

down

to a baseline of 34k DPS for power specs

:p

Only soulbeast build that exists is condi, and it is overtuned. Any understanding of context or even sincere reading resolves that, since it was obvious when coupled to the other mentioned specs which were all condi specs.

And yes, condi soulbeast is overtuned as is renegade, firebrand, and then (RIP) scourge.

We don't need more 37k+ DPS specs in the game. The power creep needs to stop. Bring it back down.