Twice as Vicious: The Return of Longbow #4

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

[Mic.1897]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

[Mic.1897]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

Not for that build I posted it wouldn't, the Quick Draw in that instance would allow you to do a RF every 4.5s which is amazing burst for OW, not for a boss fight, because the sigils of frenzy won't proc. In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described. We're not talking about plugging away at a stationary golem for 4 million hit points, then averaging out the data, it's killing PvE mobs with 20k health. If you have more than 1 target, the A/Wh is likely to be easier to tag different mobs with, sure, but if you can hit two targets with the piercing arrows, LB is still better. And, even more so since you can proc TaV with PBS before you RF for even more damage (which was the point of the thread), you can't do that with A/Wh unless you use a pet skill while melded, putting you in melee range which kinda defeats the purpose of having ranged in the 1st place.

[Mic.1897]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

[dusanyu.4057]

yes Longbow 4 should be a KD instead of a knock back it would stop bad rangers from knocking enemies out of melee range (that or add a change that if enemy is assent to an ally it knocks down instead of back)

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

[Mic.1897]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

Read the thread.

With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

Read the thread.

With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

But you can self stack 25 might almost as easily without them too, particularly on high health mobs.

Look at this template; http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJAXDA-jBBXgA9q/8oEEY/R5XouASBExYA-eAdd 25 might to it, then look at the AA values of Ricochet, then drop the might to 5 and look at the damage values for LRS.

[Spartyr.6795]

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

You just AA, use WH5 off CD, have Nature Magic traited for Fortifying Bond and use We Heal As One off CD to generate boons.

[Spartyr.6795]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

You just AA, use WH5 off CD, have Nature Magic traited for Fortifying Bond and use We Heal As One off CD to generate boons.

Thanks. Is there any way you can think of to do this without using our heal (WHaO) on cooldown?

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

You just AA, use WH5 off CD, have Nature Magic traited for Fortifying Bond and use We Heal As One off CD to generate boons.

Thanks. Is there any way you can think of to do this without using our heal (WHaO) on cooldown?

You can be Soulbeast, meld, SotP, Barrage, Rapid Fire and a few AAs will stack you to 25 might. When the duration is getting low you can use WHaO to duplicate. Other than that, there is no real way of maintaining 25 might indefinitely, unless you are using boon duration and a might stack setup. Strength runes/sigil, Companion's Might, Nature Magic, Hunter's Gaze, SotP will get you a lot of might, but still requires the use of WHaO to copy from the pet to you.

[Aomine.5012]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

Lead the Wind is a severe dps lost compare to Predator Onslaught.

The lost damage is just too great. The att speed increase has alot less impact than you think.The damage difference goes as high as 1.5k compare to Predator Onslaught, yet if you grab Predator Onslaught, your LB will lose the ability to cleave.This is the exact reason why I say LB and Marksmanship is terrible in open world.

Also , yes Nature Magic beats Marksmanship completely in open world if you use axe -warhorn.PERMANENT 25 stack of might is 750 more power, and it has damage modifier too base on how many boons you have.It also increases your pet's damage significantly by keeping it at permanent 25 might , fury, and very high quickness uptime. (Quickening zephyr lasts almost 20 secs on pet if you grab nature magic. The duration would be even longer if you grab Mao Stance )Before you say anything, YES, quickness does affect Jacaranda dps greatly, tested on Golem.

[Aomine.5012]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

You just AA, use WH5 off CD, have Nature Magic traited for Fortifying Bond and use We Heal As One off CD to generate boons.

Thanks. Is there any way you can think of to do this without using our heal (WHaO) on cooldown?

You can be Soulbeast, meld, SotP, Barrage, Rapid Fire and a few AAs will stack you to 25 might. When the duration is getting low you can use WHaO to duplicate. Other than that, there is no real way of maintaining 25 might indefinitely, unless you are using boon duration and a might stack setup. Strength runes/sigil, Companion's Might, Nature Magic, Hunter's Gaze, SotP will get you a lot of might, but still requires the use of WHaO to copy from the pet to you.

It's easy to keep 25 stacks self might permanently with Axe - wh + rune of strength, grabbing nature magic and use we heal as one.Try it yourself.

You don't need anything else. (Doesn't need all those redundant traits you mentioned)

If you grab Soulbeast, you can self stack 25 mights out of combat with Fresh Reinforcement.But you don't need it if you're in combat btw. (Use warhorn 5, auto attack 3~4 times to get to 8 might yourself -> we heal as one = 25 might)

[Aomine.5012]

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

You just AA, use WH5 off CD, have Nature Magic traited for Fortifying Bond and use We Heal As One off CD to generate boons.

Thanks. Is there any way you can think of to do this without using our heal (WHaO) on cooldown?

WHaO has relatively short cd, so it doesn't matter that much to spam it on CD.Your pet even tank the damage for you.

[Aomine.5012]

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

Read the thread.

With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

But you can self stack 25 might almost as easily without them too, particularly on high health mobs.

Look at this template;

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJAXDA-jBBXgA9q/8oEEY/R5XouASBExYA-e

Add 25 might to it, then look at the AA values of Ricochet, then drop the might to 5 and look at the damage values for LRS.

So you're dropping Sword Axe and use two range weapon?

I hate to tell you this, but both range weapons dps is like 35% damage lower than sword axe.You gutted your own dps completely by doing so.

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

Lead the Wind is a severe dps lost compare to Predator Onslaught.

The lost damage is just too great. The att speed increase has alot less impact than you think.The damage difference goes as high as 1.5k compare to Predator Onslaught, yet if you grab Predator Onslaught, your LB will lose the ability to cleave.This is the exact reason why I say LB and Marksmanship is terrible in open world.

Also , yes Nature Magic beats Marksmanship completely in open world if you use axe -warhorn.PERMANENT 25 stack of might is 750 more power, and it has damage modifier too base on how many boons you have.It also increases your pet's damage significantly by keeping it at permanent 25 might , fury, and very high quickness uptime. (Quickening zephyr lasts almost 20 secs on pet if you grab nature magic. The duration would be even longer if you grab Mao Stance )Before you say anything, YES, quickness does affect Jacaranda dps greatly, tested on Golem.

Did you not read what you quoted?"...I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better..."It was only to show that at the same attack speed LRS will do the same or better damage than Ricochet.Even with PERMANENT 25 might, Ricochet is still outclassed my LRS with only 5 might. Look at this template, put 25 might on the Axe and look at the damage, then drop the might to 5 and check LRS. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJAXDA-jBBXgAh6CeUC2r+Dw+jyPA-e

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Spartyr.6795 said:

@Lome.8239 said:With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

Sorry to interject here, but since it’s been mentioned a few times in this thread, could you share the build/rotation for the perma fury and 25 might stacks?

You just AA, use WH5 off CD, have Nature Magic traited for Fortifying Bond and use We Heal As One off CD to generate boons.

Thanks. Is there any way you can think of to do this without using our heal (WHaO) on cooldown?

You can be Soulbeast, meld, SotP, Barrage, Rapid Fire and a few AAs will stack you to 25 might. When the duration is getting low you can use WHaO to duplicate. Other than that, there is no real way of maintaining 25 might indefinitely, unless you are using boon duration and a might stack setup. Strength runes/sigil, Companion's Might, Nature Magic, Hunter's Gaze, SotP will get you a lot of might, but still requires the use of WHaO to copy from the pet to you.

It's easy to keep 25 stacks self might permanently with Axe - wh + rune of strength, grabbing nature magic and use we heal as one.Try it yourself.

You don't need anything else. (Doesn't need all those redundant traits you mentioned)

If you grab Soulbeast, you can self stack 25 mights out of combat with Fresh Reinforcement.But you don't need it if you're in combat btw. (Use warhorn 5, auto attack 3~4 times to get to 8 might yourself -> we heal as one = 25 might)

Obviously you don't need all of that, I just listed everything. I know you can do it with an Axe and a Warhorn and your runes and taking Nature Magic AND using your heal skill off CD.

With Soulbeast taking LB-S/WH with Hunters Gaze, Fresh Reinforcement, WHaO and SotP will be enough to stack to 25 consistently as well, AND you get to do better damage with the LB, which only needs 5 might to out damage the Axe, that's without even taking PO into account, just with LtW which is better for me because I like the piercing and CD reduction.

[Anuviel.9216]

Following this topic with interest. Would love to have access to a build template for the builds discussed here so I can more easily get my head around the concepts.

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Lome.8239 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Kanto.1659 said:Out of curiosity what would we be using to kill with the axe? Warhorn isn't offensive, axe 2 is condition, axe 3 is utility. Would it be a matter of autoattacking and sprinkling SB pet attacks?

I believe they mean to mostly AA.> @Lome.8239 said:

@Dojo.1867 said:

@Aomine.5012 said:

@Zenith.7301 said:

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

No way does mainhand axe outperform longbow.

LB only has a slightly higher dps than axe+wh AT MAX RANGE (1000+) , with no might/ fury application on itself.It also has lower synergy with Nature Magic because it can not self stack to 25 might by spamming axe 1 and use we heal as one.

When you consider these factors, where axe wh ALWAYS have permanent fury, 25 stacks might , swiftness, tag 2 enemies without any trait, yes, Axe does out-perform LB in open world by a large margin. LB is more for WvW really, not really such a great weapon in Open world or PVE group contents.

Imo the reason LB easily beats AXE is the piercing if you somewhat know how to position.

This implies use of Marksmanship, which is a terrible trait line for open world IMO.

Skirmishing and Nature Magic seem like the best 2 lines. After that you can do Soulbeast for the OW utility it provides or you can go Wilderness Survival to solo the big stuff by pulsing infinite Protection + Rugged Growth onto your Gazelle.

IDK why you think Marks is a bad line for OW, Hunter's Gaze easily keeps up with Axe 1, Steady Focus and any of the GMs make it great. Most things are dead from a single Rapid Fire at 1500 range, even the 2s cripple from OS is enough to make PO good because 2s is enough to kill most things. All this talk about DPS is pointless anyway because of this fact; DPS is meaningless in OW because burst is far superior.

Until you have a boss battle, a HoT hero challenge or bounty that youre trying to solo. With Longbow it just takes forever.

People can play whatever they want, especially in open world PvE, but if youre building for good dps, dont take Longbow IMO.

With equal might which you get from Hunter's Gaze, LRS does more damage than Ricochet from 500+ range. This is when you take into account a single target and the attack speeds without traits. When you put Lead the Wind on, LB is 10% faster, giving it a 0.9s attack speed and Ricochet is still at 0.88s. Steady Focus adds another 10% and RF is superior burst also. If you are building for good (power) DPS, you don't take A/Wh either, you take S/A.

@Lome.8239 said:Just as a heads up, Vicious Quarry outdamages Quick Draw in power builds, and Axe/Warhorn outdamages Longbow as a ranged option with Vicious Quarry.

Try it out!

You can still feel Sword/Axe dominate ranged options even in open world, though.

In any case, if you take Vicious Quarry with LB and Marks it's going to be better than Vicious Quarry, A/Wh and Nature Magic for the fights you described.

No. :-/

Between this statement and your suggestion of Lead the Wind over PO, Im gonna have to stop here.

Play whatever you want.

I used LtW to bring the attack speed of LRS to very close to the attack speed of Ricochet, using PO is only going to make it even better. For OW, LtW is often better because of the CD reduction on RF and also the piercing... I'd really like to know how how 250 ferocity is better on axe than LB, since the base damage on LRS is higher than Ricochet and the power coefficient is equal for 0-500 and better for longer ranges. Or, how Nature Magic can compare to Steady Focus and LtW or PO as far as damage goes.

It's just not possible.

Read the thread.

With Axe/WH and Nature Magic you and your pet can have permanent Fury and 25 Might when solo. With Longbow you can not, and you do less damage.

But you can self stack 25 might almost as easily without them too, particularly on high health mobs.

Look at this template;

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJAXDA-jBBXgA9q/8oEEY/R5XouASBExYA-e

Add 25 might to it, then look at the AA values of Ricochet, then drop the might to 5 and look at the damage values for LRS.

So you're dropping Sword Axe and use two range weapon?

I hate to tell you this, but both range weapons dps is like 35% damage lower than sword axe.You gutted your own dps completely by doing so.

O.M.GThe template is just to illustrate the difference in damage between Ricochet and LRS with might. It doesn't even have any skills, sigils or food or even an OH for the Axe, are you serious?

[Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582]

@Anuviel.9216 said:Following this topic with interest. Would love to have access to a build template for the builds discussed here so I can more easily get my head around the concepts.

Here ya go; http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJBHhJSpiAAAwBA-jRQOAAw+DAA-eThat will stack 25 might consistently, add in whatever gear/traits etc you want.

Personally, I prefer LB-S/Wh because, burst.http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kSFoVQskFwiFgrFskHYMHsCWwLv9Wf7vLBgCwarkp9G-jBSBQBA4CAcl9HlfT8gAgHdDUS9HzoE8BPAAKcEACAgAczbmNbzgbezbezbezuuNv5Nv5Nv5Nv5NvZZA0HDA-e

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@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Anuviel.9216 said:Following this topic with interest. Would love to have access to a build template for the builds discussed here so I can more easily get my head around the concepts.

Here ya go;

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJBHhJSpiAAAwBA-jRQOAAw+DAA-e

That will stack 25 might consistently, add in whatever gear/traits etc you want.

Personally, I prefer LB-S/Wh because, burst.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kSFoVQskFwiFgrFskHYMHsCWwLv9Wf7vLBgCwarkp9G-jBSBQBA4CAcl9HlfT8gAgHdDUS9HzoE8BPAAKcEACAgAczbmNbzgbezbezbezuuNv5Nv5Nv5Nv5NvZZA0HDA-e

Thanks! Much appreciated. I take it while using the longbow build, your only way to stack might reliably before enemy is 75% health or less is with the elite shout? Might it not be less effective on high HP bosses? You're not always in range with longbow to receive might from others. How do you utilize soulbeast merge with this build? Is swapping soulbeast for skirmishing a dps loss?

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@Anuviel.9216 said:

@Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582 said:

@Anuviel.9216 said:Following this topic with interest. Would love to have access to a build template for the builds discussed here so I can more easily get my head around the concepts.

Here ya go;

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJBHhJSpiAAAwBA-jRQOAAw+DAA-e

That will stack 25 might consistently, add in whatever gear/traits etc you want.

Personally, I prefer LB-S/Wh because, burst.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kSFoVQskFwiFgrFskHYMHsCWwLv9Wf7vLBgCwarkp9G-jBSBQBA4CAcl9HlfT8gAgHdDUS9HzoE8BPAAKcEACAgAczbmNbzgbezbezbezuuNv5Nv5Nv5Nv5NvZZA0HDA-e

Thanks! Much appreciated. I take it while using the longbow build, your only way to stack might reliably before enemy is 75% health or less is with the elite shout? Might it not be less effective on high HP bosses? You're not always in range with longbow to receive might from others. How do you utilize soulbeast merge with this build? Is swapping soulbeast for skirmishing a dps loss?

Yeah, the should it a good opener on something with high health, use WH5 with your pet close, SoTP, Hunter's Call, swap to LB, Rapid Fire then WHaO, you'll have 25 might. When the duration is getting low, merge with the pet to gain 25 stacks again, then when the duration is getting down again, use WHaO to refresh the duration on yourself. When WHaO is almost recharged, unmeld and then use it to buff the pet once more, repeat. That's like 30s or so of 25 might? Then Hunter's Gaze after that will keep you pretty high as well and you can then use WHaO to transfer that to the pet, meld and gain it yourself. For the LB, I'd recommend MM/Sk/SB for the most damage modifiers. Mostly I don't play my Ranger in groups so I'm not worried whether I get might from others, if I'm in a group, I'll just play S/A-S/Wh.

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After playing around with both for the past hour I prefer the feel of the axe/warhorn. How does soulbeast compare to beastmastery for dps? (Assuming other 2 are skirmishing and nature magic)