NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Considering how dagger is not as much a burst weapon as it is damage-over-time, why doesn't dagger 3 contain an evade? It already has a telegraphed pre- and after-cast, and a fairly short travel distance.Damage aside, this is a change I'd like to see, both in PvP and PvE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 can they make it actually capable of catching people who hold the w key too?been playing almost exclusively d/d in pvp for the last 2 weeks cause i'm bored, and my goodness it's just SUCH a mediocre skill in general.no evade, bad tracking, for a pve-only weapon the quickness is pretty useless, pretty eh damage, long cast time, bleh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Is ranger dagger main hand the worst weapon in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 This question had baffled many sages before you my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 @Shagie.7612 said:can they make it actually capable of catching people who hold the w key too?been playing almost exclusively d/d in pvp for the last 2 weeks cause i'm bored, and my goodness it's just SUCH a mediocre skill in general.no evade, bad tracking, for a pve-only weapon the quickness is pretty useless, pretty eh damage, long cast time, blehMy point exactly. For such a hard-to-hit skill, it sure feels mediocre. 3 seconds of quickness during which your opponent can kite away to waste the duration because dagger has no other sticking tools and a crappy reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 @NorthernRedStar.3054 said:@Shagie.7612 said:can they make it actually capable of catching people who hold the w key too?been playing almost exclusively d/d in pvp for the last 2 weeks cause i'm bored, and my goodness it's just SUCH a mediocre skill in general.no evade, bad tracking, for a pve-only weapon the quickness is pretty useless, pretty eh damage, long cast time, blehMy point exactly. For such a hard-to-hit skill, it sure feels mediocre. 3 seconds of quickness during which your opponent can kite away to waste the duration because dagger has no other sticking tools and a crappy reach.1.5s* :)But yeah as much as I would love an evade on this skill, I would be happy if they extended the range a bit and also cleaned up the animation so it becomes better at tracking and pursuing. Feels like I'm playing leapfrog when I use it. Giving it cripple would be really nice too, but at that point perhaps it'd be too similar to Monarch's Leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 @"Pterikdactyl.7630" said:@NorthernRedStar.3054 said:@Shagie.7612 said:can they make it actually capable of catching people who hold the w key too?been playing almost exclusively d/d in pvp for the last 2 weeks cause i'm bored, and my goodness it's just SUCH a mediocre skill in general.no evade, bad tracking, for a pve-only weapon the quickness is pretty useless, pretty eh damage, long cast time, blehMy point exactly. For such a hard-to-hit skill, it sure feels mediocre. 3 seconds of quickness during which your opponent can kite away to waste the duration because dagger has no other sticking tools and a crappy reach.1.5s* :)But yeah as much as I would love an evade on this skill, I would be happy if they extended the range a bit and also cleaned up the animation so it becomes better at tracking and pursuing. Feels like I'm playing leapfrog when I use it. Giving it cripple would be really nice too, but at that point perhaps it'd be too similar to Monarch's Leap. I didn't even know it had been split.Holy bad, bad, bad skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krispera.5087 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If you compare it to https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Radiant_Arc, Instinctive Engage is pretty bad. They are more or less the same, but one is much much weaker.Yes, Instinctive Engage has an ammo of 2, but it really doesn't make it better. It hits ONE target. Instinctive Engage could get 1 sec more of Quickness if it hits and hits harder if 2 times.Radiant Arc doesn't need a target to get Quickness and has 50 more range. Also, it CRIPPLES and hits 5 TARGETS with a radius of 240. What's up with giving Ranger one target skills ? I've come across so many of them ! Instinctive Engage, Sword AA #2, Bite (Bear Beastmode), Frenzied Attack (Moa Beastmode), Maul (Pig Beastmode), Bite (Cat Beastmode), etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @Eurantien.4632 said:Is ranger dagger main hand the worst weapon in the game?I would give Warrior Offhand sword that reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @"Krispera.5087" said:If you compare it to https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Radiant_Arc, Instinctive Engage is pretty bad. They are more or less the same, but one is much much weaker.Yes, Instinctive Engage has an ammo of 2, but it really doesn't make it better. It hits ONE target. Instinctive Engage could get 1 sec more of Quickness if it hits and hits harder if 2 times.Radiant Arc doesn't need a target to get Quickness and has 50 more range. Also, it CRIPPLES and hits 5 TARGETS with a radius of 240. What's up with giving Ranger one target skills ? I've come across so many of them ! Instinctive Engage, Sword AA #2, Bite (Bear Beastmode), Frenzied Attack (Moa Beastmode), Maul (Pig Beastmode), Bite (Cat Beastmode), etc.Don’t forget about the higher damage and coefficient of radiant arc over instinctive engage (according to wiki anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @DanAlcedo.3281 said:@Eurantien.4632 said:Is ranger dagger main hand the worst weapon in the game?I would give Warrior Offhand sword that reward.Idk that sticking torment and shitty block (which then has a ton of bleeds) are both decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @DanAlcedo.3281 said:@Eurantien.4632 said:Is ranger dagger main hand the worst weapon in the game?I would give Warrior Offhand sword that reward.I still think engineer MH pistol deserves this title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @Abyssisis.3971 said:@"Krispera.5087" said:If you compare it to https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Radiant_Arc, Instinctive Engage is pretty bad. They are more or less the same, but one is much much weaker.Yes, Instinctive Engage has an ammo of 2, but it really doesn't make it better. It hits ONE target. Instinctive Engage could get 1 sec more of Quickness if it hits and hits harder if 2 times.Radiant Arc doesn't need a target to get Quickness and has 50 more range. Also, it CRIPPLES and hits 5 TARGETS with a radius of 240. What's up with giving Ranger one target skills ? I've come across so many of them ! Instinctive Engage, Sword AA #2, Bite (Bear Beastmode), Frenzied Attack (Moa Beastmode), Maul (Pig Beastmode), Bite (Cat Beastmode), etc.Don’t forget about the higher damage and coefficient of radiant arc over instinctive engage (according to wiki anyway)Isn't MH dagger for soulbeast designed to be a condition based weapon?Then of course it should have a lower damage coefficient, considering that holosmith MH sword is supposed to be a power dps weapon.And btw, if you use both charges then the damage of soulbeasts dagger is actually higher...That being said, comparing 2 skills from different weapons with different playstyles doesn't really makes sense. It is comparing apples with oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @Kodama.6453 said:@DanAlcedo.3281 said:@Eurantien.4632 said:Is ranger dagger main hand the worst weapon in the game?I would give Warrior Offhand sword that reward.I still think engineer MH pistol deserves this title.The 2 and the 3 are pretty solid though. 5 stacks of poison dart volley for 10s each. Then you get confusion and blind on the 3 that bounces! And they're ranged. I'd take that over dagger 2 and 3 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krispera.5087 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 @Kodama.6453 said:@Abyssisis.3971 said:@"Krispera.5087" said:If you compare it to https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Radiant_Arc, Instinctive Engage is pretty bad. They are more or less the same, but one is much much weaker.Yes, Instinctive Engage has an ammo of 2, but it really doesn't make it better. It hits ONE target. Instinctive Engage could get 1 sec more of Quickness if it hits and hits harder if 2 times.Radiant Arc doesn't need a target to get Quickness and has 50 more range. Also, it CRIPPLES and hits 5 TARGETS with a radius of 240. What's up with giving Ranger one target skills ? I've come across so many of them ! Instinctive Engage, Sword AA #2, Bite (Bear Beastmode), Frenzied Attack (Moa Beastmode), Maul (Pig Beastmode), Bite (Cat Beastmode), etc.Don’t forget about the higher damage and coefficient of radiant arc over instinctive engage (according to wiki anyway)Isn't MH dagger for soulbeast designed to be a condition based weapon?Then of course it should have a lower damage coefficient, considering that holosmith MH sword is supposed to be a power dps weapon.And btw, if you use both charges then the damage of soulbeasts dagger is actually higher...That being said, comparing 2 skills from different weapons with different playstyles doesn't really makes sense. It is comparing apples with oranges.They buffed MH Dagger coefficient to make it just passable and on par with Sword. I can't really say if Dagger MH is 100% a condi weapon, because both builds in PvE use them.Sure, they are different weapons, but they are similar skills. If it's a Condi weapon, then why Instinctive Engage has no conditions tied to it ? But Radiant Arc, the 100% power skill, has cripple on it. MH Dagger is just a bad weapon. It has two traits synergy with Soulbeast traits and they are eeeeh : Essence of Speed and Predator's Cunning. It doesn't even have Fury to trigger Furious Strength or a CC to trigger Twice as Vicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistsim.2748 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 this thing needs i-frames (on 3) and some cripple (on 2 lets say) to be viable in pvp. love in in pve though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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