Hammer and holosmith wvw

[Anthony.7630]

This has been my experience and opinion so bare with me.

I feel like hammer scrapper does more damage than holosmith.

In wvw scrapper can explode people in maurader / zerker gear and do like 13k damage in 2 or 3 seconds.

I tried holosmith and i must be doing something wrong. I use 4 and 5 and spam 2 off coldown to burst people but the damage doesn't feel good. Not to mention that i explode too fast which does good damage to the enemy but it has nothing on hammer

I feel like hammer is a better weapon skill set than sword shield and holosmith kit.

Keep in mind this is wvw. Spvp might be different.

Any can give me a build to use holosmith to 100-0 someone in 2 seconds ?

Even with wvw guards i kill them way faster with hammer than holosmith.

Holosmith utilities are very defensive in nature. Not only do they do terrible damage but they also crit for low damage.

But the defensives buffs cc and ultility is nice.

Can someone tell me how to explode someone in 2 seconds as holosmith in pvp ?

I explode wvw camp guards and players with hammer but not with holosmith.

[Chaith.8256]

Corona burst and Quickness auto attacks as the corona burst pops. Holographic Shockwave is for CC not DPS

[Kamahl.3621]

4 is for ranged engagement in WvW (and strictly worse DPS than the range-traited auto attack), 5 is for knockdowns, 2 is identical damage to auto as long as you don't actually interrupt your auto (so don't use it unless you're closing the gap).

[Hock.6740]

woot?? 4 worse in dps than autos?

[Silinsar.6298]

Try SD Holo.

[Afearthenrut.9154]

@Silinsar.6298 said:Try SD Holo.

Sad that it is the only thing working.... so sad.

[Amadeus.5687]

@Hock.6740 said:woot?? 4 worse in dps than autos?

Photon Blitz appear to be bugged in WvW, it deals roughly half the dmg it would deal in PvE and a little less then it does in sPvP. in full acsended Marauder armor, zerker weapons and jewels, my Photon blitz barely hits the 4k in WvW, but often i do like 8k in PvE. in sPvP it hits between 4-5k.Tested it both on players and NPCs in WvW, hits lower on both

[Jerus.4350]

@Amadeus.5687 said:

@Hock.6740 said:woot?? 4 worse in dps than autos?

Photon Blitz appear to be bugged in WvW, it deals roughly half the dmg it would deal in PvE and a little less then it does in sPvP. in full acsended Marauder armor, zerker weapons and jewels, my Photon blitz barely hits the 4k in WvW, but often i do like 8k in PvE. in sPvP it hits between 4-5k.Tested it both on players and NPCs in WvW, hits lower on both

Standardized Toughness for the comparison?

[Amadeus.5687]

@Jerus.4350 said:

@Amadeus.5687 said:

@Hock.6740 said:woot?? 4 worse in dps than autos?

Photon Blitz appear to be bugged in WvW, it deals roughly half the dmg it would deal in PvE and a little less then it does in sPvP. in full acsended Marauder armor, zerker weapons and jewels, my Photon blitz barely hits the 4k in WvW, but often i do like 8k in PvE. in sPvP it hits between 4-5k.Tested it both on players and NPCs in WvW, hits lower on both

Standardized Toughness for the comparison?

I tested it on Rock Gazzles found in desert borderlands and in the new oasis. I asume they have the same toughness. I would depending on crits hit for between 3500-4300 in WvW and in PvE it runs from about 7400-8300. In PvP I have just been doing a lot of attack on the medium dummy, where the dmg is roughly the same or a bit higher then in WvW (But there is a large stat difference)

[Amadeus.5687]

So I just went in to do some more numbers, this time on Shadhavars. This time without food buffs, no 25 power stacks ect. Swapped some stuff around so got 2.2k power, roughly the same I get in sPvP with a zerker amulet. 57% crit chance and 199% crit dmg. in WvW I can barely get to 3000 dmg on a full photon blitz and in PvE I get it to 6000 dmg on the Photon blitz (give plus a few hundred depending on my crits).

In sPvP with the same trait ect and a zerker amulet I have 2236 power, 55% crit chance (used a rune to get more pre) and 936 212% crit dmg.

On a heavy golems it hits from 3000 to 4000 depeding on crits.So it would seem like it deals less dmg both in sPvP and WvW. the other skills seems to do the same dmg. I'm not sure why it have to deal less dmg in these modes... It pretty much make it a useless skill to use. You deal about the same dmg with holo leap in there, which crits for about 3.5k on a heavy golem.

would like to see someone thats better at testing numbers then me looking into it.

Gonna make this it's own post

[cat.8975]

Photon Blitz has a 5.12 coefficient in PvE and a 2.4 coefficient in WvW/PvP.

The damage differences you're seeing between WvW and PvP are likely due to the armor on the enemies you're hitting. Most level 80 mobs have 2597 armor, same as the heavy PvP golem. An easy way to test an enemy's armor is to detonate a turret next to it. Turret det against a 2597 armor target should do 1270 damage (make sure you're not traited in explosives, as that causes the det to apply vuln).

[Anthony.7630]

Sorry my grammar sucks.

Been using hammer for wvw. The burst crits of hammer skills feels better than holosmith dps skills.

But don't kid your self ....holosmith is far from useless. With middle line traits and holosmith ultilies ....holosmith works great in havoc groups and roam squads. Boons stab shields block healing sustain damage and quickness make holosmith quite strong.

I think hammer does better burst but holosmith ultilies make holosmith super tanky.

Sword skills feel super sustain dps. Spam 1 to quicken 2 and 3 coldowns and press 3 as a dps button and 2 for 1quickness uptime. It is actually a tiny 3 button rotation on sword.

Hammer deals damage in sets. Holosmith does good damage but its not bursty enough.

The biggest burst is the overheating explosion trait and exploding in peoples face.

Hammer is faceroll i think. Drop electic field spin and rocket charge to daze bolts and burst damage and win. Holosmith requires thought and muscle memory / battle reflexes.

[Ten.2617]

Main source of damage is Auto + Corona Burst.Photon Blitz looks more a waste of Photon Forge uptime.

[choovanski.5462]

engineer hamner is probably the best weapon in the entire game. it’s like 50% of the reason scrapper is so strong in pvp.

giving that hammer to holo with forge would just be too strong.

[Chaith.8256]

@choovanski.5462 said:engineer hamner is probably the best weapon in the entire game. it’s like 50% of the reason scrapper is so strong in pvp.

giving that hammer to holo with forge would just be too strong.

dont think anyne suggested doing that