Condi Mirage flying under the radar : IT NEEDS MASSIVE NERFS

[Arheundel.6451]

A perma evasion stealth condi spammer! At least you can focus a scourge with a single person....you need several people to focus a condi mirage, I hope you all realise that scourges and spellbreakers are merely a facade, high numbers on screen and you freak out....if you'd use that energy to watch properly, you'd notice how simplistic are the scourge and spellbreakers mechanics and how easy are to avoid/outplay

On the other hand, people "willingly" decide to ignore the big elephant in the room : mirage

[Akilles.4320]

No, no, no... Scourges and Spellbreakers are the problem, you just want to divert people attentions.

[Lucentfir.7430]

@Arheundel.6451 said:A perma evasion stealth condi spammer! At least you can focus a scourge with a single person....you need several people to focus a condi mirage, I hope you all realise that scourges and spellbreakers are merely a facade, high numbers on screen and you freak out....if you'd use that energy to watch properly, you'd notice how simplistic are the scourge and spellbreakers mechanics and how easy are to avoid/outplay

On the other hand, people "willingly" decide to ignore the big elephant in the room : mirage

I can say Mirage is very lulzy right now, having 7-8 people chasing me around in their owned Blistering Undercroft and it took 5 minutes until they caught me, just because it was with a one shot Fire Hound.

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

@Akilles.4320 said:No, no, no... Scourges and Spellbreakers are the problem, you just want to divert people attentions.

This. It cant possibly be that other specs are just as overpowered and that this sudden change is challenging people's view that warriors and necros should all be bad.

Surely people arent that toxic and conspiring.

Firebrand, Deadeye, Weaver, Soulbeast, Holosmith all totally fair and balanced.

[Sarathes.3810]

A perma evasion stealth condi spammer!

Where did zou get that from?

• Stealth: Same amount of Stealth than Chrono. A whopping 6 seconds.
• Evades: Same amount of Evades than Chrono. Less if you consider Alactricity from Chrono.
• Condi Spam: One more skill applying Condis than Chrono in Jaunt. While Chrono has lower Shatter CDs. So in the End more Condi Spam on Chrono.

What Mirage offers is really high in Combat mobility. What you loose is:

• Survivability/Sustain
• Moa
• Alactricity
• Condi Cleanse

Mirage is a dueling Spec. Its really strong against anything besides Scourge and Spellbreaker and can be built to be actual good against Spellbreaker.I don't think Mirage is a problem at all. Its absolute useless in Teamfights but strong in Duels and +1s.

I still think Chrono >>> Mirage

[OriOri.8724]

@Arheundel.6451 said:A perma evasion stealth condi spammer! At least you can focus a scourge with a single person....you need several people to focus a condi mirage, I hope you all realise that scourges and spellbreakers are merely a facade, high numbers on screen and you freak out....if you'd use that energy to watch properly, you'd notice how simplistic are the scourge and spellbreakers mechanics and how easy are to avoid/outplay

On the other hand, people "willingly" decide to ignore the big elephant in the room : mirage

People "ignore" it because its harder to be effective on mirage than it is to be effective on scourge or spellbreaker, so people just see fewer mirages that are good.

[FXLEACH.9436]

I was fighting a mirage in ebg last night, on my zerk thief. The mirage was some chick who can't properly pvp to save her life but she was able to press a few buttons, and because mirage has some ridiculous gimmick, she pooped out burn ticks hitting me for 5k - whilst i was completely unable to stun or hit her at all. She was super smug about it too.

[maddoctor.2738]

Honestly I haven't seen enough Mirages to have an informed opinion. The reason everyone goes for Spellbreaker and Scourge is because you see them (1 to 4) on every single game. If condi mirage is more than those at least it's not visible. You say that if they nerf Spellbreaker and Scourge Condi Mirage will be the next OP thing? Good then condi mirage will be the next to get nerfed

[Bigpapasmurf.5623]

Mirage def isnt as strong as OP says. Ive played it, and fought it (both DPS and condi versions). Sure it has a couple more annoyances when it moves, however it is a superior duelist that only really inflicts 1 constant condi (confusion) with a small side of burn/torment. 3 condis is apparently an issue for some.

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

@OriOri.8724 said:People "ignore" it because its harder to be effective on mirage than it is to be effective on scourge or spellbreaker, so people just see fewer mirages that are good.

I need people to look at this and then remember that mesmer can burst you from stealth

-oh wait, pvpers lack object permanence. I f o r g o t

[Arheundel.6451]

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Mirage def isnt as strong as OP says. Ive played it, and fought it (both DPS and condi versions). Sure it has a couple more annoyances when it moves, however it is a superior duelist that only really inflicts 1 constant condi (confusion) with a small side of burn/torment. 3 condis is apparently an issue for some.

It only applies constantly confusion with some burn/torment......

[FXLEACH.9436]

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Mirage def isnt as strong as OP says. Ive played it, and fought it (both DPS and condi versions). Sure it has a couple more annoyances when it moves, however it is a superior duelist that only really inflicts 1 constant condi (confusion) with a small side of burn/torment. 3 condis is apparently an issue for some.

You haven't fought all of them. There's a build that I played against which pushed out 5k+ burn ticks near instantly, I'm talking within seconds. With no obvious "tell" or no serious build up. It applied other condis too but that burn was the one that hit the hardest.

[FaboBabo.3581]

Are u guys freaking kidding when sayin mirage needs a nerf?Look at the specAxe is unreliable, because of bugs. Traits dont synergize.> @Arheundel.6451 said:

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Mirage def isnt as strong as OP says. Ive played it, and fought it (both DPS and condi versions). Sure it has a couple more annoyances when it moves, however it is a superior duelist that only really inflicts 1 constant condi (confusion) with a small side of burn/torment. 3 condis is apparently an issue for some.

It only applies constantly confusion with some burn/torment

......

...like every mesmer, and even less then chrono due to no f5..

I mean c'mon. We have 1,5 sec protection every 10 seconds as a master trait... do i need to say more about this?

What are u going to nerf? Only give us 0,5 sec protection.We apply confusion on our ambushes...ONCE...after that we NEED to shatter to apply that confusion again.If our ambushes actually hit. I mean Staff ambush for example can be sidestepped by someone snoozing while holding his mouse.Oh and guess what? The Confusion on Ambush trait doesnt synergize with our clones, meaning there ambushes dont deal this confusion.If we are illusional enough to trait IH in pvp/wvw only of course. Btw, this is the mechanic which should make Mirrage more delusional, yeah we need to trait it, or otherwise we dont get the REAL theme for the class.

But guess what. We can dodge backwards once every 25 seconds and leave a mirror in the aoe we just left, so we can run into it again, to secure our own death!

Mirrors specifically state ; shatter the mirror will grant Mirage Cloak.

Did i hear SHATTER?Weired no shatter traits are activated when we SHATTER a Mirror.

@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

@OriOri.8724 said:People "ignore" it because its harder to be effective on mirage than it is to be effective on scourge or spellbreaker, so people just see fewer mirages that are good.

I need people to look at this and then remember that mesmer can burst you from stealth

-oh wait, pvpers lack object permanence. I f o r g o t

MESMERS, but if a Mirrage does the same its unbalanced ?

@FXLEACH.9436 said:I was fighting a mirage in ebg last night, on my zerk thief. The mirage was some chick who can't properly pvp to save her life but she was able to press a few buttons, and because mirage has some ridiculous gimmick, she pooped out burn ticks hitting me for 5k - whilst i was completely unable to stun or hit her at all. She was super smug about it too.

L2P - zerk thief - "whilst i was completly unable to stun or hit her at all"- THIEF

And now to get back on the facts ; Mirage is a strong duelist, which should be even stronger. Traits and skills need to be fixxed and take a look at.U should play the spec urself before saying anything about it.

[FXLEACH.9436]

I know how to play zerk thief. This is not an l2p issue, don't cry. Mirage does not need to be stronger lol. I play glass cannon mirage and it is fine. No amount of stuns was going to help me versus the mirage I was fighting, stunbreak on dodge, endless evasion + 5k burns ticks.

[Zenith.7301]

@FXLEACH.9436 said:I was fighting a mirage in ebg last night, on my zerk thief. The mirage was some chick who can't properly pvp to save her life but she was able to press a few buttons, and because mirage has some ridiculous gimmick, she pooped out burn ticks hitting me for 5k - whilst i was completely unable to stun or hit her at all. She was super smug about it too.

I can tell you're full of crap, because outside a single skill on torch and torch phantasm, mirage has no other way to apply burn consistently than 1 stack of burning on a 33% chance from the staff autoattack.

If you had 5k burn ticks, you virtually facetanked The Prestige, ate a bunch of torch phantasm projectiles, and facedtanked staff autos on top.

[Ithilwen.1529]

This is pure anti Mesmer bias. As a long time Mesmer main.. Mirage is a gimmick and less in some ways than core Mesmer, ( which is why I'm playing core Mesmer atm.)

If you died to torch burn, then you played poorly.

[ellesee.8297]

@FXLEACH.9436 said:I was fighting a mirage in ebg last night, on my zerk thief. The mirage was some chick who can't properly pvp to save her life but she was able to press a few buttons, and because mirage has some ridiculous gimmick, she pooped out burn ticks hitting me for 5k - whilst i was completely unable to stun or hit her at all. She was super smug about it too.

Someone beat me in pvp and I couldn't even land a hit, but that person doesn't know how to play at all and I'm actually good.

[Kuya.6495]

Is the OP going to continue to make threads in the vain attempt to deflect from scourge and spellbreaker? He already made a thread about firebrand and it's getting really transparent.

[OriOri.8724]

@Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

@OriOri.8724 said:People "ignore" it because its harder to be effective on mirage than it is to be effective on scourge or spellbreaker, so people just see fewer mirages that are good.

I need people to look at this and then remember that mesmer can burst you from stealth

-oh wait, pvpers lack object permanence. I f o r g o t

? This doesn't change the fact that simply by virtue of people in PvP games seeing less mirages that are good, they will complain about mirage less. I didn't comment about how strong, or weak, mirage is in PvP at all.

[FXLEACH.9436]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh the passive aggressiveness is so real.Pretending to not know that mirage is an evade bot is silly tbh.

Mirage Cloak is an effect that replaces dodging for mesmers with the Mirage elite specialization. Similarly to dodging, Mirage Cloak evades many incoming attacks, but it doesn't move your character or show an animation in order to help with the Mirage aspect of confusing your character with clones. When Mirage Cloak is applied, you and your clones can use an Ambush skill for your weapon for a short time.

Mirage cloak = 1s of evasion.Mirage mirrors grant mirage cloak.3 utils create mirage mirrors.A trait can turn all clones shattered by distortion into mirage mirrors.

Furthermore mirage's can trait for stun break on dodge.

Furthermore mirage's have "nomad's endurance" which grants vigor everytime they shatter + grants increases condition damage.

Furthermore mirage's have jaunt which is an incredible mobility skill for pvp :D.

Idk why I'm getting such a negative reaction and the people who are reacting with passive aggressiveness and smugness are being up-voted.Nothing I've said is untrue, I've spoken about my experiences and I didn't come here to lie.The person who I was fighting, the condi mirage, obviously did not trust her pvp skills, and she honestly didn't have any, as she stuck around smc (near the guards) and the portals. She didn't trust herself enough to actually roam properly. That was obvious. I wasn't beaten by her skill, I was beaten by huge amounts of evasion + massive condi damage which was all provided by a low risk, low skill build.I disengaged a few times and she just ran back inside smc.I play zerk mirage and I don't play scourge or spellbreaker.I don't understand why people are giving me a hard time here.

[feetpicenjoyer.6418]

At this point I'm just waiting for the "RENEGADE IS THE HIDDEN VILLAIN OF POF" or something as you grow more and more desperate to shift attention away from scourges and spellbreakers.

But don't worry, these threads won't work. You just waste everyone's time including yours.

[FaboBabo.3581]

@FXLEACH.9436 said:Ughhhhhhhhhhhh the passive aggressiveness is so real.Pretending to not know that mirage is an evade bot is silly tbh.

Mirage Cloak is an effect that replaces dodging for mesmers with the Mirage elite specialization. Similarly to dodging, Mirage Cloak evades many incoming attacks, but it doesn't move your character or show an animation in order to help with the Mirage aspect of confusing your character with clones. When Mirage Cloak is applied, you and your clones can use an Ambush skill for your weapon for a short time.

Mirage cloak = 1s of evasion.Mirage mirrors grant mirage cloak.3 utils create mirage mirrors.A trait can turn all clones shattered by distortion into mirage mirrors.

Furthermore mirage's can trait for stun break on dodge.

Furthermore mirage's have "nomad's endurance" which grants vigor everytime they shatter + grants increases condition damage.

Furthermore mirage's have jaunt which is an incredible mobility skill for pvp :D.

Idk why I'm getting such a negative reaction and the people who are reacting with passive aggressiveness and smugness are being up-voted.Nothing I've said is untrue, I've spoken about my experiences and I didn't come here to lie.The person who I was fighting, the condi mirage, obviously did not trust her pvp skills, and she honestly didn't have any, as she stuck around smc (near the guards) and the portals. She didn't trust herself enough to actually roam properly. That was obvious. I wasn't beaten by her skill, I was beaten by huge amounts of evasion + massive condi damage.I disengaged a few times and she just ran back inside smc.I play zerk mirage and I don't play scourge or spellbreaker.I don't understand why people are giving me a hard time here.

Unhindered Combatant + Channeled Vigor + dagger 3 + Endless Stamina + Feline Grace + Endurance Thief + Driven Fortitude + Escapist's Absolution ; Are u Trolling ?

Mirrors ; We need to actually walk into them to get a dodge, what does a Thief needs to do ? 3,v,3,v,3,v,3,v,3,v,3,v,3,v,3,v-healskill,3,v,3,v,3,v,3,v,3.....

You are a thief which complains that Mirage has too much dodges.

[UrMom.4205]

@FXLEACH.9436 said:

@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:Mirage def isnt as strong as OP says. Ive played it, and fought it (both DPS and condi versions). Sure it has a couple more annoyances when it moves, however it is a superior duelist that only really inflicts 1 constant condi (confusion) with a small side of burn/torment. 3 condis is apparently an issue for some.

You haven't fought all of them. There's a build that I played against which pushed out 5k+ burn ticks near instantly, I'm talking within seconds. With no obvious "tell" or no serious build up. It applied other condis too but that burn was the one that hit the hardest.

Did that burn burst come right after they went into stealth?

[FXLEACH.9436]

@FaboBabo.3581 said:

@FXLEACH.9436 said:Ughhhhhhhhhhhh the passive aggressiveness is so real.Pretending to not know that mirage is an evade bot is silly tbh.

Mirage Cloak is an effect that replaces dodging for mesmers with the Mirage elite specialization. Similarly to dodging, Mirage Cloak evades many incoming attacks, but it doesn't move your character or show an animation in order to help with the Mirage aspect of confusing your character with clones. When Mirage Cloak is applied, you and your clones can use an Ambush skill for your weapon for a short time.

Mirage cloak = 1s of evasion.Mirage mirrors grant mirage cloak.3 utils create mirage mirrors.A trait can turn all clones shattered by distortion into mirage mirrors.

Furthermore mirage's can trait for stun break on dodge.

Furthermore mirage's have "nomad's endurance" which grants vigor everytime they shatter + grants increases condition damage.

Furthermore mirage's have jaunt which is an incredible mobility skill for pvp :D.

Idk why I'm getting such a negative reaction and the people who are reacting with passive aggressiveness and smugness are being up-voted.Nothing I've said is untrue, I've spoken about my experiences and I didn't come here to lie.The person who I was fighting, the condi mirage, obviously did not trust her pvp skills, and she honestly didn't have any, as she stuck around smc (near the guards) and the portals. She didn't trust herself enough to actually roam properly. That was obvious. I wasn't beaten by her skill, I was beaten by huge amounts of evasion + massive condi damage.I disengaged a few times and she just ran back inside smc.I play zerk mirage and I don't play scourge or spellbreaker.I don't understand why people are giving me a hard time here.

Daredevil dodge + heal skill + dagger 3 + Endless Stamina + Feline Grace ; Are u Trolling ?

Are you suggesting I change my entire build and the way I'm playing in order to have a chance killing some random person playing and obviously overpowered cheesebuild?Because nah, I don't roll that way. Why bother doing that when you could just play the same class and build?

I don't change things up in such a massive way just to try and win against something that is low skill and overtuned. I play what I enjoy and just do my best. I was playing deadeye against her as I've been enjoying some aspects of it (mainly the lock down + synergy it has with sword).

Anyways I get that you're trying to suggest that condi mirage doesn't have any issues and that's fine, that's your prerogative and everything, I'm just not really interested in listening to that, or having to dig through "you should have done this or that or this or that" blah blah.

And apparently there is a huge conspiracy of the OP trying to distract anet from scourge and spellbreaker stuff.I find that hilarious but I should expect this kinda stuff when I come to these forums.

have a great day everyone <3

[FaboBabo.3581]

@FXLEACH.9436 said:

@FaboBabo.3581 said:

@FXLEACH.9436 said:Ughhhhhhhhhhhh the passive aggressiveness is so real.Pretending to not know that mirage is an evade bot is silly tbh.

Mirage Cloak is an effect that replaces dodging for mesmers with the Mirage elite specialization. Similarly to dodging, Mirage Cloak evades many incoming attacks, but it doesn't move your character or show an animation in order to help with the Mirage aspect of confusing your character with clones. When Mirage Cloak is applied, you and your clones can use an Ambush skill for your weapon for a short time.

Mirage cloak = 1s of evasion.Mirage mirrors grant mirage cloak.3 utils create mirage mirrors.A trait can turn all clones shattered by distortion into mirage mirrors.

Furthermore mirage's can trait for stun break on dodge.

Furthermore mirage's have "nomad's endurance" which grants vigor everytime they shatter + grants increases condition damage.

Furthermore mirage's have jaunt which is an incredible mobility skill for pvp :D.

Idk why I'm getting such a negative reaction and the people who are reacting with passive aggressiveness and smugness are being up-voted.Nothing I've said is untrue, I've spoken about my experiences and I didn't come here to lie.The person who I was fighting, the condi mirage, obviously did not trust her pvp skills, and she honestly didn't have any, as she stuck around smc (near the guards) and the portals. She didn't trust herself enough to actually roam properly. That was obvious. I wasn't beaten by her skill, I was beaten by huge amounts of evasion + massive condi damage.I disengaged a few times and she just ran back inside smc.I play zerk mirage and I don't play scourge or spellbreaker.I don't understand why people are giving me a hard time here.

Daredevil dodge + heal skill + dagger 3 + Endless Stamina + Feline Grace ; Are u Trolling ?

Are you suggesting I change my entire build and the way I'm playing in order to have a chance killing some random person playing and obviously overpowered cheesebuild?Because nah, I don't roll that way. Why bother doing that when you could just play the same class and build?

I don't change things up in such a massive way just to try and win against something that is low skill and overtuned. I play what I enjoy and just do my best. I was playing deadeye against her as I've been enjoying some aspects of it (mainly the lock down + synergy it has with sword).

Anyways I get that you're trying to suggest that condi mirage doesn't have any issues and that's fine, that's your prerogative and everything, I'm just not really interested in listening to that, or having to dig through "you should have done this or that or this or that" blah blah.

And apparently there is a huge conspiracy of the OP trying to distract anet from scourge and spellbreaker stuff.I find that hilarious but I should expect this kinda stuff when I come to these forums.

have a great day everyone <3

Oh wait oh wait. Mirage counters deadeye hard, has nothing to do with a cheese build.And i dont suggest u to change ur Build. Play whatever u want, but dont expect it to be good then. Furthermore dont expect a win against your Counter, if u couldnt predict a stealth burst.

Oh yeah this is what we all need to do in GW2; predict stealth bursts. As a Thief u will know what i'm talking about, right?80% or 90% evade uptime on daredevil?, Nevermind we can have 70% stealth uptime too, its balanced, but Prestige burn burst means mirage needs nerf. Better reduce the Burning on the Mirage traitline... oh wait...