Last Balance Patch shifted/didn‘t shift the Meta

[GuriGashi.5617]

I feel like the last balance patch had literally no effect on the overall meta, but as that is very subjective I am asking you if you think anything has changed at all for sPvP. For me it didn‘t even really feel like a balancing happened

[Avatar.3568]

Way more power Rev that crev atm.

[Shao.7236]

You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

[Bazsi.2734]

Condirev is actually way less opressive now. But apart from that, not much has changed.

[Poledra Val.1490]

The meta is pretty much the same as it was before with a couple of minor differences, this balance patch in my opinion is by far in a way one of the poorest patches i have seen in years.

However if some people are satisfied with it it shows how so many pvp players have settled for mediocrity.

We will be witnessing a mass exodus of pvp players in my opinion which is sad, its a shame but the reality is Anet in its upper echelon's do not care at all about the pvp community bar Ben and CmC.

[MementoMortis.4258]

I feel like anyone who voted yes on this, had THEIR build changed. Holosmiths with Nade Kits are still decimating anyone they see and NOT dying.

[Dahkeus.8243]

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

The meta has shifted, its just a small change or not fully realized yet. Scourge and core guard seem very strong right now and crev isnt the best side noder anymore. This alone should change the meta since it is largely influenced by the side noders and who can +1 them.

[jsp.6912]

still same shit, warrior and mesmer still trash and rev/holo still godmode

[Dantheman.3589]

Condi rev ate it and so did holo. It’s a total myth that those specs are so untouchable that they won’t fall out of meta- they already had some specs they straight up lost the 1v1 too, but ppl are to lazy to care

[Shao.7236]

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

[Virdo.1540]

well it had quite an impact on condi-rev.but every other real meta class didnt get any nerf.

And in an condi meta, classes with reflect (crev, necro) will always be part of the current meta. Doesnt matter how bad they are.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

It changed, just not a whole lot.

[UNOwen.7132]

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see any warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

[Garret.1965]

The patch didn't do much aside from reviving ol'power chrono memes.

[Shao.7236]

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

[UNOwen.7132]

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

[Starbreaker.6507]

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

There was one defense spellbreaker (lol) in the qualifiers and that used everything at their disposal and still easily got pushed off node by soulbeasts who were probably playing one handed.

Maybe they should have taken Shao's advice and just l2p ?

[Shao.7236]

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.

Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.

[Tycura.1982]

In the sense that it's still garbage

[UNOwen.7132]

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.

Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more now, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides nothing.

Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.

Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.

[Shao.7236]

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.

Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more

now

, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides

nothing

.

Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.

Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.

All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?

Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.

It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.

[UNOwen.7132]

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.

Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more

now

, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides

nothing

.

Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.

Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.

All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?

Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A lot. So, your logic fails.

Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.

Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.

It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.

The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.

[Shao.7236]

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.

Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more

now

, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides

nothing

.

Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.

Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.

All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?

Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A

lot

. So, your logic fails.

Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.

Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.

It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.

The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.

The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.

Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.

[UNOwen.7132]

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:

@Shao.7236 said:

@Dahkeus.8243 said:

@Shao.7236 said:You can actually play what you want given you care enough to play it right. There's a lot of clear counters to many builds and I have yet to see one that can do it all.

I think many warriors would disagree with this sentiment...

Because all warriors were actually spellbreakers playing the same tether might spam endurance regen build when PoF came out. They all got the same cheesy slice and it's gone, have to get gud now.

Ah yes, because the reason we dont see

any

warriors in top tier or any tournaments anymore is just because they have to "get gud" and not the fact that warrior is currently unplayable. And its only coencidence that Anet buffed them up (even if it was far from enough).

I've seen and played warrior builds that are pretty viable, obviously they aren't going to dance around a node for the entire duration of the game because that's what the issue was in the first place. Again, having such high expectations.

You havent. There arent viable warrior builds right now. Thats a simple statement of fact. Warrior is on the same level (if not possibly below) mirage right now, who is equally unplayable. Thats why there were 0 warriors in MOTA, 0 in high ranks, and probably 0 in MATs (I admit I stopped counting after a while). If by "high expectations" you mean "thinking that a class shouldnt be so bad every good player drops it like a hot potato", then you have a weird definition of "high expectations". Also, you are aware that dancing around a node for the entire duration of the game is the default right now, right? Sidenoders dont die in a 1v1, ever. They get +1d, and until then they just try to knock the other off the point using knockbacks. Thats actually warriors biggest issue, a lack of a good knockback.

Most warriors (Even myself) that I see play deal damage and actually don't waste all their CC at once because that was something back then, spamming everything you got because damage. Setup bursts rather, Stomp exists as a knock back that grants Stability too, be it anything with more than 1 target, that's more stacks.

Again, you dont. Damage in general right now is too low to ever kill someone on your own, and Warrior is lower than even the average. Also, if anything, you spam more

now

, because you cant afford to delay even a single point of damage, because well, there is too little of it anyway. Right now warrior is a sidenoder who simply lacks the knockback and damage to be effective, and provides

nothing

.

Also to imply that "good" players use anything that has a skill ceiling is false, they don't. People would actually have an identity with their so called "favorite" class if they did.

Ah yes, thats why we see so many Power revs played in top tier. After all, it famously has no skill ceiling, and totally isnt a really difficult class that even Anet confirmed is difficult. You dont actually believe your rubbish yourself, do you? No, they didnt use Warrior not because its got a "skill ceiling", but simply because warrior is currently not viable at all.

All Revs that play top tier don't even duel, your point?

Whats that got to do with anything? Your claim was that "good players wouldnt use anything with a skill ceiling". My easy counterpoint to that is power rev, something that has a high skill ceiling, and that good players play. A

lot

. So, your logic fails.

Gonna add to the fact they are all herald, power or condi and never reach to challenge players because they clearly can't play it to that much potential, there has been less players than I can count on my fingers that actually play Herald Power without being just a pseudo theif wanna be delete everything picking the fights.

Elitism from below. Now thats new. But equally ridiculous.

It's clear that even if they wanted, the meta builds are terrible at it anyway, but this is conquest. Obviously we wouldn't care, but that still doesn't change the truth of it.

The truth that spellbreaker is not viable? Yeah sure, that doenst change.

The current meta power herald has a "medium" skill ceiling, it barely interacts with what it makes revenant the class it is and the high skill ceiling aspect is never used in practice, core on the other hand has way more going for it. Condi Herald has a low skill ceiling to medium in my opinion given that nobody ever manages conditions at all on their teams, they call it a duelist/side nodder instead which is a /joke/, because it's the most telegraphed and easier to control given that it can actually turn mid fights around with proper managing instead of wasting it's time never dying against people don't know how to deal with them.

If your "logic" were to hold, it would hold on all iterations. We had a high skill ceiling Rev be extremely popular, to the point where Anet even talked about it. Ask Leonidrex about it, he got the memes for it. But long story short, high skill ceiling, still extremely popular. Good players play anything if its good. Even high skill ceiling classes.

Spellbreaker is no longer the evade spam class that it was, it's not hard to see why it fell out of the meta.

... of all the things to mention. You mention the one that ... wasnt hit? Warrios evades werent touched. It has nothing to do why its not meta. Instead, its not meta because sidenoding has been reduced to knockbacks and waiting for +1s, and Warrior doesnt have a good knockback and its not great at setting up +1s either. Its woefully lacking in damage.