anduriell.6280 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, phokus.8934 said: Considering the many varying studies on it, it shouldn’t. It’s really all about being sleek and that’s not an essential requirement for UX design. Who is talking about studies here, we are talking about industry standards. Right now everything has a darkmode except for the GW2 official forums. Edited June 29, 2021 by anduriell.6280 smol correction 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, anduriell.6280 said: Who is talking about studies here, we are talking about industry standards. Right everything has a darkmode except for the GW2 official forums. You missed the point. Dark mode was introduced because someone said it uses less energy and causes less eye strain. So people jumped on that bandwagon but it is not the case. Blindly following does not make good practice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, phokus.8934 said: You missed the point. Dark mode was introduced because someone said it uses less energy and causes less eye strain. So people jumped on that bandwagon but it is not the case. Blindly following does not make good practice. Ok i missed that point. Still darkmode is an industry standard nowadays. Expecting that optional feature should not be something outrighteous or unexpected. Being more comfty or not is something really subjective, it depends on the screen and the eyes of the beholder. I surely find dark mode more comfortable than this blinding white as most people working with computers do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, anduriell.6280 said: Ok i missed that point. Still darkmode is an industry standard nowadays. Expecting that optional feature should not be something outrighteous or unexpected. Being more comfty or not is something really subjective, it depends on the screen and the eyes of the beholder. I surely find dark mode more comfortable than this blinding white as most people working with computers do. Maybe so but I wouldn’t call it an industry standard. Choice is almost always good but I don’t think ANet controls the forum software as they use a provider who handles everything. Certain websites are a lot more readable with a dark mode but I also use my mobile for these forums and adjust my screen brightness accordingly (mainly during the time of day). But this is just my opinion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anduriell.6280 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, phokus.8934 said: Maybe so but I wouldn’t call it an industry standard. Choice is almost always good but I don’t think ANet controls the forum software as they use a provider who handles everything. Well i just gave them the link to a free dark theme from the provider they are using right now which they should be able to apply easily. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Thomanson.4765 said: You have stock in light mode or something? Options are good. I’m not against options. I’m against using inconclusive (or false) reasonings to justify them. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence Snow.3194 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 You've been rallying against almost every option for 5+ years using false dichotomies and false dilemmas.......lol. your posting history contradicts the above statement. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Essence Snow.3194 said: You've been rallying against almost every option for 5+ years using false dichotomies and false dilemmas.......lol. your posting history contradicts the above statement. Nope on both accounts. Please keep the discussion to the subject and not make it personal like in the previous thread. Edited June 29, 2021 by Ayrilana.1396 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggie.3184 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) I'm also a migraine sufferer who asked for dark mode ever since they made these forums and the ones before it but they didn't care. Also I'm surprised how negative the comminity is about such a reasonable request that most website forums have as well as discord and other chat programs. There are in-fact people who suffer headaches from light backgrounds and have light sensitive eyes, it's not our fault. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It would be a lot worse if I didn't have this eye care monitor or f.lux I used before it, but it's still uncomfortable. Edited June 29, 2021 by Doggie.3184 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ayrilana.1396 said: Scroll up as people are. Eyes adapt better to black text on white background too. Yea? In that case, point out specifically who and what words you are responding to rather than quoting my post and responding to something other people said. Regarding eye adaptation, don't you understand why the airline industry and the military have experimented with orange and red colors and background lighting for instruments and monitors during nighttime conditions? There is no "adapt better to black text on white background too." Light adaptation is the adjustment eyes make to provide vision during bright light conditions like daytime while dark adaptation is the adjustment they make to low light conditions like night time. It can take up to half an hour for the human eye to adjust. When the range in luminosity between ambient light and a screen is great, it can cause eye strain as the eyes struggle to adapt. Dark text on light background tends to be better for bright ambient light conditions while light text on dark background does so for low light conditions. Edited June 29, 2021 by Chaba.5410 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorudo.9054 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 13 hours ago, Ayrilana.1396 said: This has little to do with web design and more to do with science. No research conducted as shown that dark mode offers any health benefits over light mode other than for the reasons which I already mentioned. my migraines tell a different story, but i guess that's another thing you know nothing about. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Chaba.5410 said: Regarding eye adaptation, don't you understand why the airline industry and the military have experimented with orange and red colors and background lighting for instruments and monitors during nighttime conditions? There is no "adapt better to black text on white background too." Light adaptation is the adjustment eyes make to provide vision during bright light conditions like daytime while dark adaptation is the adjustment they make to low light conditions like night time. It can take up to half an hour for the human eye to adjust. When the range in luminosity between ambient light and a screen is great, it can cause eye strain as the eyes struggle to adapt. Dark text on light background tends to be better for bright ambient light conditions while light text on dark background does so for low light conditions. https://www.nngroup.com/articles/dark-mode/ https://www.healthline.com/health/is-dark-mode-better-for-your-eyes#about-blue-light https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/mobile-phones/what-is-dark-mode-and-should-you-be-using-it/ https://www.wired.co.uk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-science https://www.insider.com/is-dark-mode-better-for-your-eyes Edited June 29, 2021 by Ayrilana.1396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 55 minutes ago, Chaba.5410 said: Yea? In that case, point out specifically who and what words you are responding to rather than quoting my post and responding to something other people said. I was responding to your post. Please read the earlier discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magolith.9412 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Can't believe people are arguing over a dark mode. Don't like it? Don't use it. Don't feel there's a need for it? Glad you know all! Obviously other people disagree. If you use Stylus, try out the code in my Gist at https://gist.github.com/MesmerMag/df0e13bfb09cd20ddff7fbc75930abab. Night and day (ha) difference for me. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Yup, I'd like to see dark mode available here too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just to reiterate, I was never against dark mode as I’m generally not against options that can be toggled. Perhaps I should have led with that in my initial post (which I’ll edit to include although it’s probably too late). What I was against were some of the reasons being used that have no proven backing (yet). All of the research that I have read has been inconclusive. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Ayrilana.1396 said: I was responding to your post. Please read the earlier discussion. Yes, you responded to my post with something that had nothing to do with my post, like talking past someone. Common courtesy when quoting someone is to acknowledge what they actually wrote, not talk about something other people wrote. Edit: (Also I can't find exactly in the earlier discussion where anyone said dark mode offers health benefits over light mode. There's only the OP who said the light mode is triggering their migraines and is unpleasant to look at especially at night time.) Edited June 29, 2021 by Chaba.5410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ayrilana.1396 said: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/dark-mode/ https://www.healthline.com/health/is-dark-mode-better-for-your-eyes#about-blue-light https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/mobile-phones/what-is-dark-mode-and-should-you-be-using-it/ https://www.wired.co.uk/article/dark-mode-chrome-android-ios-science https://www.insider.com/is-dark-mode-better-for-your-eyes I don't need to read even past the first paragraph of your first linked article to tell how you just posted something that goes against your earlier claim that dark mode is just an aesthetic preference. LOL. How clever of you to delete your earlier post which can still be found quoted by Witch of Doom. "whereas some people with cataract and related disorders may perform better with dark mode. On the flip side, long-term reading in light mode may be associated with myopia." Edited June 29, 2021 by Chaba.5410 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chaba.5410 said: I don't need to read even past the first paragraph of your first linked article to tell how you just posted something that goes against your earlier claim that dark mode is just an aesthetic preference. LOL. How clever of you to delete your earlier post! "whereas some people with cataract and related disorders may perform better with dark mode. On the flip side, long-term reading in light mode may be associated with myopia." We don’t have the ability to delete our own posts. Simply try to delete your own to confirm that. Have you read the rest of my posts where I specifically stated a few exceptions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, Ayrilana.1396 said: Have you read the rest of my posts where I specifically stated a few exceptions? Yes, after the facts were pointed out to you. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chaba.5410 said: Yes, you responded to my post with something that had nothing to do with my post, like talking past someone. Common courtesy when quoting someone is to acknowledge what they actually wrote, not talk about something other people wrote. Edit: (Also I can't find exactly in the earlier discussion where anyone said dark mode offers health benefits over light mode. There's only the OP who said the light mode is triggering their migraines and is unpleasant to look at especially at night time.) “Health benefits” was my catch all for things like less eye strain and such. I’m not sure why I have to do a run through of the discussion when it’s clear as day when simply going back to the previous page but here goes… I responded to Witch of Doom’s post which was in response to my actual first post where I commented about the screen would be very bright in a dimly lit room. You then responded to my post about web design and such. So technically YOU diverted the conversation away by talking about something unrelated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chaba.5410 said: Yes, after the facts were pointed out to you. 😉 False. My initial post stated all of that. You can see it embedded in someone’s post on the first page still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chaba.5410 said: I don't need to read even past the first paragraph of your first linked article to tell how you just posted something that goes against your earlier claim that dark mode is just an aesthetic preference. LOL. How clever of you to delete your earlier post which can still be found quoted by Witch of Doom. "whereas some people with cataract and related disorders may perform better with dark mode. On the flip side, long-term reading in light mode may be associated with myopia." I didn't check the links, but did a fast google search about it a bit earlier out of curiosity and what I've noticed is a whole lot of "MAYs" all over the place. If an article keep repeating "IT MAY", "IT MIGHT", then that's a sign there's no conclusive research about it, but mainly some anecdotal ""evidence"" comming from random individual people or their stories. Started paying more attention to similar wording after seeing a flood of "THIS MIGHT BE A CURE TO X" [followed by the same article saying "but we don't really know"] at some point in the past. Just saying 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sobx.1758 said: I didn't check the links, but did a fast google search about it a bit earlier out of curiosity and what I've noticed is a whole lot of "MAYs" all over the place. If an article keep repeating "IT MAY", "IT MIGHT", then that's a sign there's no conclusive research about it, but mainly some anecdotal ""evidence"" comming from random individual people or their stories. Started paying more attention to similar wording after seeing a flood of "THIS MIGHT BE A CURE TO X" [followed by the same article saying "but we don't really know"] at some point in the past. Just saying 🙄 Not sure what exactly you googled on. Just saying that web accessibility standards didn't come out of nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Ayrilana.1396 said: False. My initial post stated all of that. You can see it embedded in someone’s post on the first page still. Your initial post stated: "Unless you have astigmatism, or prefer to have your face to the screen in a poorly lit room, dark mode doesn’t really offer any benefits. It’s more of an aesthetic preference than anything. " How can you get hung up on there being no "health benefit" and it being a preference even though you cited astigmatism as a caveat? Amazing! Also remember that I agreed with you about the screens would be very bright in a poorly lit room and explained how that can cause eye strain and it isn't just some preference. Seems like you really didn't read what I wrote and responded as such. Edited June 29, 2021 by Chaba.5410 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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