Daniel Handler.4816 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Now do people believe the truce will be us and Jormag vs Primordius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @"Daniel Handler.4816" said: Now do people believe the truce will be us and Jormag vs Primordius. Yeah seemed to be the case based on preview, especially with the wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Sadly it seems Anet have gone that route. Just bizarre it really it isHalf a season set up specifically to show why we must not trust Jormag. Why we are in conflict. Now we're supposed to believe we can enter a truce and trust them because of another Dragon? I mean that is so going to end well isn't itI don't think they even proof read their story arcs sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Alric.5078 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Uhm, i hoped Primordus would have his own saga. Instead it looks like he will be the villain for the last part of IBS. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajuuk Khar.1509 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Sir Alric.5078 said:Uhm, i hoped Primordus would have his own saga. Instead it looks like he will be the villain for the last part of IBS. :/Unless it ends in a surprise twist ending where Primordus kills Jormag, and flies off.But yeah, looks like anet is rushing the Primrodus plotline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Handler.4816 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Randulf.7614 said:Sadly it seems Anet have gone that route. Just bizarre it really it isHalf a season set up specifically to show why we must not trust Jormag. Why we are in conflict. Now we're supposed to believe we can enter a truce and trust them because of another Dragon? I mean that is so going to end well isn't itI don't think they even proof read their story arcs sometimesLesser of two evils. Primodus' minions are literally called Destroyers. His domain is fire and conflagration. This was going to happen since we sent them both to sleep. We are past the point of them mentioning Jormag is ice and persuasion. And has minions that can at least be spoken with. Now we need ice stuff to deal with the fire dragon. Which we were going to need anyway after the machine was destroyed. I don't know how clearer they could get after this trailer that Primordus was always the bigger threat and we need Jormag's help to defeat him. The reason it's coming after making Jormag seem menacing is because its supposed to be a hard choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajuuk Khar.1509 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 One thing to note. We see plenty of allies in this trailer... but no Icebrood beyond Bangar, who hates Jormag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Daniel Handler.4816 said:@"Randulf.7614" said:Sadly it seems Anet have gone that route. Just bizarre it really it isHalf a season set up specifically to show why we must not trust Jormag. Why we are in conflict. Now we're supposed to believe we can enter a truce and trust them because of another Dragon? I mean that is so going to end well isn't itI don't think they even proof read their story arcs sometimesLesser of two evils. Primodus' minions are literally called Destroyers. His domain is fire and conflagration. This was going to happen since we sent them both to sleep. We are past the point of them mentioning Jormag is ice and persuasion. And has minions that can at least be spoken with. Now we need ice stuff to deal with the fire dragon. Which we were going to need anyway after the machine was destroyed. I don't know how clearer they could get after this trailer that Primordus was always the bigger threat and we need Jormag's help to defeat him. Jormag's ultimate goal is the same, the method is just different. There is no advantage in siding with it and they've made that clearer than anything else for a long time now. It's why Glint's Legacy exists - so we have a "good" Elder Dragon on our side to go up against others. I never liked that direction, but at least it made senseTaking Jormag's aid is absolutely not a good idea at all and our Commander will be putting back on the usual "idiot hat" by doing so.Not only has Jormag proven to be completely manipulative and untrustworthy, but having access to the Mists gives it greater reach, great power and the risk of going down a route similar to Kralk.There was never any real need to bring Primordus into the story right now, but it's clear the current writing team are bored with Dragons and just want to rush them out the door and shoe horning a truce which makes no real sense is one of the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:One thing to note. We see plenty of allies in this trailer... but no Icebrood beyond Bangar, who hates Jormag.My guess is the truce is set up at the end of the chapter as consequence after the events we play through in whatever story we getAlso, people are saying they saw Ryland in there. Is that correct or are people confusing him with Bangar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLadyOfTheRings.9148 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @"Sir Alric.5078" said:Uhm, i hoped Primordus would have his own saga. Instead it looks like he will be the villain for the last part of IBS. :/ Could have his protagonism in the third expansion, with the Icebrood Saga: Champions working as a "prologue". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Handler.4816 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Randulf.7614 said:@Daniel Handler.4816 said:@Randulf.7614 said:Sadly it seems Anet have gone that route. Just bizarre it really it isHalf a season set up specifically to show why we must not trust Jormag. Why we are in conflict. Now we're supposed to believe we can enter a truce and trust them because of another Dragon? I mean that is so going to end well isn't itI don't think they even proof read their story arcs sometimesLesser of two evils. Primodus' minions are literally called Destroyers. His domain is fire and conflagration. This was going to happen since we sent them both to sleep. We are past the point of them mentioning Jormag is ice and persuasion. And has minions that can at least be spoken with. Now we need ice stuff to deal with the fire dragon. Which we were going to need anyway after the machine was destroyed. I don't know how clearer they could get after this trailer that Primordus was always the bigger threat and we need Jormag's help to defeat him. Jormag's ultimate goal is the same, the method is just different. There is no advantage in siding with it and they've made that clearer than anything else for a long time now. It's why Glint's Legacy exists - so we have a "good" Elder Dragon on our side to go up against others. I never liked that direction, but at least it made senseJormags goal is to eat magic until they fall asleep. Then wake up and do it again. If that involves the destruction of all life so be it. But that doesn't have to be the case as long as they get fed.Taking Jormag's aid is absolutely not a good idea at all and our Commander will be putting back on the usual "idiot hat" by doing so.Not only has Jormag proven to be completely manipulative and untrustworthy, but having access to the Mists gives it greater reach, great power and the risk of going down a route similar to Kralk.There was never any real need to bring Primordus into the story right now, but it's clear the current writing team are bored with Dragons and just want to rush them out the door and shoe horning a truce which makes no real sense is one of the consequences.Aurene is the dragon of Fury/Crystal and likely a bunch of Shadow and maybe a little Mind. To depict her powers is simple. Magic was already said to operate like light by Taimi. And no one bats an eye when someone in control of crystals and shadows is now a walking prism. But Jormag is the Elder Dragon of Ice and Persuasion. The ice part is easy. Persuasion is something you have to work at to show. They have literally told us in game they like to take their time. They don't force things, they slowly win people over. This isn't shoehorning, it's character development.Jormag won't force us to help them defeat their major weakness. We will come willingly because Primordus is going to destroy large parts of the world. That's how it always was going to be from the time we sent them both to sleep. Unless there is another random magical bow out there that can damage Primordus. We require their help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajuuk Khar.1509 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Daniel Handler.4816 said:Aurene is the dragon of Fury/Crystal and likely a bunch of Shadow and maybe a little Mind.Aurene is the dragon of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgaan Peaudesang.8324 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Randulf.7614 said:@Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:One thing to note. We see plenty of allies in this trailer... but no Icebrood beyond Bangar, who hates Jormag.My guess is the truce is set up at the end of the chapter as consequence after the events we play through in whatever story we getAlso, people are saying they saw Ryland in there. Is that correct or are people confusing him with Bangar?Ryland is there, you can hear him talk and see him fight with his flamesaw.I believe Councillor Zudo will be part of this release (I noticed her character model). There's a good chance her sister Ludo will be there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson.5160 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Randulf.7614 said:Sadly it seems Anet have gone that route. Just bizarre it really it isHalf a season set up specifically to show why we must not trust Jormag. Why we are in conflict. Now we're supposed to believe we can enter a truce and trust them because of another Dragon? I mean that is so going to end well isn't itI don't think they even proof read their story arcs sometimesJormag does appear to be the lesser of the two evils... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLadyOfTheRings.9148 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I had a feeling Bangar would end up being on our side and I'm happy to see hints of that in the trailer :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Handler.4816 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:@Daniel Handler.4816 said:Aurene is the dragon of Fury/Crystal and likely a bunch of Shadow and maybe a little Mind.Aurene is the dragon of light.Light is not a discrete domain like Ice, Persuasion, Fire, Conflagration, etc. When Aurene replaced Kralkatorrik she absorbed Fury and Crystal, along with what he received from the deaths of Zhaitan/Mordremoth/Balthazar (parts of Death/Shadow, Plant/Mind, and War). She also got something from eating Joko.This is why Jormag calls her the dragon of prisms. She is a crystal dragon with several domains filtering through her like light. She has way more powers than being a walking rainbow. It just happens in this case that light is also a common thread among three or more of the domains she has. Crystal, Fury (which contains Sun), and Shadow. Maybe Plant because bioluminescence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajuuk Khar.1509 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Daniel Handler.4816 said:Light is not a discrete domain like Ice, Persuasion, Fire, Conflagration, etc.Its what Anet called Aurene's domain on the Icebrood Saga magazine they put out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugrakarma.9416 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 holy...... that Jormag voice.they could employ jormag as "narrator of events". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Handler.4816 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:@Daniel Handler.4816 said:Light is not a discrete domain like Ice, Persuasion, Fire, Conflagration, etc.Its what Anet called Aurene's domain on the Icebrood Saga magazine they put out.Yes. But it's not what Jormag calls her in game. While Aurene refers to Jormag as Ice and Persuasion.Light is not a single leftover from the many many things that were inside Kralkatorrik. It is the catch-all term that Anet uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @"ugrakarma.9416" said:holy...... that Jormag voice.they could employ jormag as "narrator of events".That was well done. They've combined Jormag's voice with Bangar's well there. I hope we can replay the Bangar dialogue sequences with those voices as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajuuk Khar.1509 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @"Daniel Handler.4816" said:Yes. But it's not what Jormag calls her in game.Yes, Jormag calls her "Elder Dragon of Prisms" which are used to split light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajuuk Khar.1509 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Nice to see Tengu, Stone Dwarves, Kodan, and Exalted, as future allies. A little bit more of some of the more "side" races/faction is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Handler.4816 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:@"Daniel Handler.4816" said:Yes. But it's not what Jormag calls her in game.Yes, Jormag calls her "Elder Dragon of Prisms" which are used to split lightYes. But it's important to remember that Light is a supercategory of multiple things. Aurene can ressurect the dead, create hive minds, summon crystals, etc.If you filtered all the magic inside her. The vast majority is Fury and Crystal from Kralkatorrik. Which contain sunlight (remember zephyrite crystals) and prisms. They make up the largest part of Light. Then there is maybe Shadows, bioluminescence from Plants or illusions from Mind. All the extra stuff adds onto the theme of Light and you get this design of a prism with a bunch of colors. Both because she has probably the most influence over the substance of light of any dragon and because she is filtering magic from several different domains like a prism separates light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Alric.5078 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:@"Daniel Handler.4816" said:Yes. But it's not what Jormag calls her in game.Yes, Jormag calls her "Elder Dragon of Prisms" which are used to split lightIndeed, and if you click on her in the Eye of the North, she's called the Elder Prismatic Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackheartgary.8605 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 From the Norn's perspective, is this even remotely a good idea? Jormag pushed them out of the northern Shiverpeaks... aka their HOME. countless Norn lost their lives to that dragon. and now a truce is on the horizon because the Big One is attacking? From a lore perspective, I really do not see how any Norn, with the exception of the Sons of Svanir, would agree to a truce with Jormag. ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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