Chaith.8256 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Maybe it's the right time to give Photon Forge this status so traits like Backpack Regenerator and Streamlined Kits aren't left in the lurch when disabling kit use for 6 seconds upon entering Photon Forge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yeah, the synergy is all kinds of borked because it's treated only partially like a kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlater.6789 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Agreed, however I see them being a little weary about buffing it at all atm because although it's probably one of the least broken things in Pof. Compared to pre-Pof dps averages (which is probably around where Anet wants to nerf ALL of the builds to) it's actually very strong.So idk, but I would definitely be behind a bit more synergy between core engine and photon forge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 @Zlater.6789 said:Agreed, however I see them being a little weary about buffing it at all atm because although it's probably one of the least broken things in Pof. Compared to pre-Pof dps averages (which is probably around where Anet wants to nerf ALL of the builds to) it's actually very strong.So idk, but I would definitely be behind a bit more synergy between core engine and photon forge.Meh, you don't have to make kit traits like Backpack Regenerator or Streamlined Kits break Holosmith's damage... In fact I'm having trouble seeing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahkno.7593 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 this one simple change would make my holo-life in wvw so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannondorf.7628 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 @Chaith.8256 said:Maybe it's the right time to give Photon Forge this status so traits like Backpack Regenerator and Streamlined Kits aren't left in the lurch when disabling kit use for 6 seconds upon entering Photon Forge. I still don't understand why they haven't do that. I mean it's undoubtely a kit remplacing a f5 toolbelt skill (lazy design by the way) so why can't it be treated like it? This would give the elite spec more synergy too, coz right now the only synergy i see is explosive traitline shrapnel and Crystal configuration storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardid.7203 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 IMO they should just declare kits as the basic Prof Mechanic, and give every spec a proper kit: Gyros for Scrapper, PF for Holo. Maybe even link each normal kit to a specific traitline. Just, embrace the kits once and for all and work the balance from there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghos.1326 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 @Chaith.8256 said:Maybe it's the right time to give Photon Forge this status so traits like Backpack Regenerator and Streamlined Kits aren't left in the lurch when disabling kit use for 6 seconds upon entering Photon Forge. I kind of like this idea. Make the forge an elite kit, and have its toolbelt skill be the laser skill. hell, I could get behind this, hell yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 @Ardid.7203 said:IMO they should just declare kits as the basic Prof Mechanic, and give every spec a proper kit: Gyros for Scrapper, PF for Holo. Maybe even link each normal kit to a specific traitline. Just, embrace the kits once and for all and work the balance from there...Making Kits the Engineer specific utilities would be a nerf to Scrapper and Holo, eh? Kinda like if they made Meditations core Guardian only.Second re-work as you put it, link kits to traitlines, that's kind of interesting. As in, Explosives unlock Grenade, Firearms unlock Flamethrower, Inventions unlock Bomb Kit, Alchemy unlock Elixir Gun, Tools unlock Toolkit. That means that 2-3 of your F skills would become kitsThat'd be cool, and would probably balance Core Engineer with a unique class mechanic that Scrapper/Holo would give up. However, it would require a big balance overhaul, leave Engineers without as many utility choices.> @Ghos.1326 said:@Chaith.8256 said:Maybe it's the right time to give Photon Forge this status so traits like Backpack Regenerator and Streamlined Kits aren't left in the lurch when disabling kit use for 6 seconds upon entering Photon Forge. I kind of like this idea. Make the forge an elite kit, and have its toolbelt skill be the laser skill. hell, I could get behind this, hell yeah!What, no. Nothing changes except entering photon forge be considered as entering an engineering kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardid.7203 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It's just an idea that should be extensively revised and adjusted before anything can happen.Maybe every traitline gives you access to an specific (utility) kit, which you can put on your F buttons if you want, giving up on that specific tool skill in exchange for the kit. Every kit is still optional, except the last traitline: that one is linked to the elite specs, so it is your "central" kit as an Engineer, which you can't dismiss. For Holo, that central kit is the Photon Forge Kit. For Scrapper, it is a Gyros Kit, etc.Going even further, I personally would combine Grenade and Mortar kit into a lone Grenade Launcher kit, ranged, linked to Explosives traitline and speccable for power OR condi; and heavily improve Medkit linking it to Inventions. IMO bomb kit is pure foulness: boring animation, incoherent dps output, redundant, etc. I would simply erase it (Maybe add a couple of bombs into Medkit).Of course, all of this are wild dreams from a purely personal point of view. PF counting as a kit for trait proc is a far more realistic petition, which I support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghos.1326 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 @Chaith.8256I see what you mean now. That could work too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario.8964 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 This needs to happen. There's so much extra potential synergy opened up with a change like this without it being op that I'm surprised it wasn't designed that way in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 If Photon Forge counted as an Engineering kit, what effect for streamlined kits trait would you like?Flash Spark (Spectrim Shield Toolbelt) with high heat bonus baseline. (That's 4s of Light Aura.)2 seconds of Spectrum Shield (no stunbreak).Lesser Bladeburst (Laser Disk' Toolbelt) without the high heat 25% damage increase. (213 (0.8))Solar Focusing Lens proc (Next 2 attacks Inflict 10% more damage and apply 2s burn.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant.7206 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 @Chaith.8256 said:If Photon Forge counted as an Engineering kit, what effect for streamlined kits trait would you like?3s Light AuraTwo seconds of Spectrum Shield (no stunbreak).240 Radius Prismatic Singularity (Hard Light Arena Toolbelt skill).The prismatic singularity is too similar to the bomb kit's current streamlined kits trait. Spectrum shield would make sense, and would be valuable in multiple game modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardid.7203 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Prismatic Singularity , would be so OP with my playstyle. Now I need it. Awesome. (Bomb kit can just disappear, for what I care...)Seriously, I would love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 @Ardid.7203 said:Prismatic Singularity , would be so OP with my playstyle. Now I need it. Awesome. (Bomb kit can just disappear, for what I care...)Seriously, I would love it. I agreed it'd be too similar to bomb kit and I removed Prismatic Singularity & added some more ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSPINE.7845 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Too complicated, just give us 2s of quickness and that'll already be a big improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 @RedSPINE.7845 said:Too complicated, just give us 2s of quickness and that'll already be a big improvement.Streamlined kits, so you've seen this trait? Glue Trail, Magnetic Bomb, they've got multiple brand new skills on proc, bro. But I think 2s quickness would be an option too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardid.7203 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 @Chaith.8256 said:@Ardid.7203 said:Prismatic Singularity , would be so OP with my playstyle. Now I need it. Awesome. (Bomb kit can just disappear, for what I care...)Seriously, I would love it. I agreed it'd be too similar to bomb kit and I removed Prismatic Singularity & added some more ideas.Could you instead remove the cc from Bomb Kit tb? Pleeeease.... XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaith.8256 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 @Ardid.7203 said:@Chaith.8256 said:@Ardid.7203 said:Prismatic Singularity , would be so OP with my playstyle. Now I need it. Awesome. (Bomb kit can just disappear, for what I care...)Seriously, I would love it. I agreed it'd be too similar to bomb kit and I removed Prismatic Singularity & added some more ideas.Could you instead remove the cc from Bomb Kit tb? Pleeeease.... XDHeh yeah a pull right as you enter Photon Forge and the Swiftness would definitely be grabbed for WvW. Won't happen though, 2s of quickness would be extremely useful too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUST.2305 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 @Chaith.8256 said:If Photon Forge counted as an Engineering kit, what effect for streamlined kits trait would you like?I like the idea of something more defensive like...Retaliation and Resistance for X seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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