Elementalist - Master Of 2 Elements Only - (Elite Specialisation)

[Emberheart.8426]

In PvE: Weaver was already the squishiest, most support reliant spec, and this new elite will make weaver look like a solo god.

In PvP: Most cancer bunker to ever make it into the game.

No thanks. Think about the balance and design implications before suggesting an elite spec please.

[Yasai.3549]

It will take too much out of what an Ele is meant to be.

Ele is meant to be a master of 4 elements, and uses all 4 of them based on situation and need.Robbing Ele of 2 Elements is just asking for the class to be weakened compared to other Ele specs which has access to all four.And for what? A weapon swap?Not all weapon skills can be considered equal for all weapon sets, so that means yur forcing Ele to choose the two best, and then dump the "weaker" one because they can't have 4 anymore.

[Cindaria.6379]

Noone is asking a Ranger to chose one element (frost, sun, storm, stone) to specialize (I say Elementalist is related to Ranger regarding the elements). And GW2 is a dynamic game which is focused on movent therefore, staying in one attument is limiting the Elementalist's Force.I don't know why but I wish a build I can play with the heavenly amor stats :D Maybe a mechanics which makes the Elementalist to a grat supporter like the druid or the scourge.

[Kodama.6453]

@Cindaria.6379 said:Noone is asking a Ranger to chose one element (frost, sun, storm, stone) to specialize (I say Elementalist is related to Ranger regarding the elements). And GW2 is a dynamic game which is focused on movent therefore, staying in one attument is limiting the Elementalist's Force.I don't know why but I wish a build I can play with the heavenly amor stats :D Maybe a mechanics which makes the Elementalist to a grat supporter like the druid or the scourge.

Tempest is the supporter elite spec for elementalist, like scourge and druid are for their respective classes.

[steki.1478]

@Kodama.6453 said:

@Cindaria.6379 said:Noone is asking a Ranger to chose one element (frost, sun, storm, stone) to specialize (I say Elementalist is related to Ranger regarding the elements). And GW2 is a dynamic game which is focused on movent therefore, staying in one attument is limiting the Elementalist's Force.I don't know why but I wish a build I can play with the heavenly amor stats :D Maybe a mechanics which makes the Elementalist to a grat supporter like the druid or the scourge.

Tempest is the supporter elite spec for elementalist, like scourge and druid are for their respective classes.

One could argue that rev has 2 support specs, but the reality is that there are classes with versatile core design and there's elite specs with multiple purposes. Classes often always have multi purpose elite specs and thief elite spec would really need to alter the class in order to provide meaningful support. Meanwhile, druid will always be horrible for dps because the nature of F5 doesn't have anything to do with damage, just like holo has nothing to do with support (even if the core class allows it to do some).

Just because a certain class has an eSpec that fits a specific role, doesn't mean that the next one wont do that as well. It will just do it in another way. Herald offers mobile support, renegade offers static support, while both are also used as dps in various types of content.

[AliamRationem.5172]

@"Ganathar.4956" said:In PvE: Weaver was already the squishiest, most support reliant spec, and this new elite will make weaver look like a solo god.

In PvP: Most cancer bunker to ever make it into the game.

No thanks. Think about the balance and design implications before suggesting an elite spec please.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, but I do want to point out that weaver is already a "solo god"!

As to the idea itself? Looking at the current ele specs, I don't see how this wouldn't completely ruin them. So what I would need to know is what is going to be different with this design that will allow an elementalist to function with only two elements on swap at a time?

[Grimjack.8130]

revenant but ele

[Emberheart.8426]

@AliamRationem.5172 said:

@"Ganathar.4956" said:In PvE: Weaver was already the squishiest, most support reliant spec, and this new elite will make weaver look like a solo god.

In PvP: Most cancer bunker to ever make it into the game.

No thanks. Think about the balance and design implications before suggesting an elite spec please.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, but I do want to point out that weaver is already a "solo god"!

As to the idea itself? Looking at the current ele specs, I don't see how this wouldn't completely ruin them. So what I would need to know is what is going to be different with this design that will allow an elementalist to function with only two elements on swap at a time?

Every class that is viable with condi can solo amazingly well in dire and trailblazer because of how overpowered the condi damage stat type is, enabling you to stack defensive stats by losing way less damage than power builds. The real test is if you can solo well with power, when you don't have these stat sets carrying your class.

Either way, such an elite spec is either going to be useless or if they find a way to make it powerful will result in nerfs exclusively to core skills, since it has no new skills of its own. It's a great way for core ele to get a few extra nerf hammers, as if that was needed. And all of this for a lame specialization that really gives nothing new. The skills of the same elements are just way too similar in functionality for this to add anything to the class.

[AliamRationem.5172]

@Ganathar.4956 said:

@AliamRationem.5172 said:

@Ganathar.4956 said:In PvE: Weaver was already the squishiest, most support reliant spec, and this new elite will make weaver look like a solo god.

In PvP: Most cancer bunker to ever make it into the game.

No thanks. Think about the balance and design implications before suggesting an elite spec please.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, but I do want to point out that weaver is already a "solo god"!

As to the idea itself? Looking at the current ele specs, I don't see how this wouldn't completely ruin them. So what I would need to know is what is going to be different with this design that will allow an elementalist to function with only two elements on swap at a time?

Every class that is viable with condi can solo amazingly well in dire and trailblazer because of how overpowered the condi damage stat type is, enabling you to stack defensive stats by losing way less damage than power builds. The real test is if you can solo well with power, when you don't have these stat sets carrying your class.

Either way, such an elite spec is either going to be useless or if they find a way to make it powerful will result in nerfs exclusively to core skills, since it has no new skills of its own. It's a great way for core ele to get a few extra nerf hammers, as if that was needed. And all of this for a lame specialization that really gives nothing new. The skills of the same elements are just way too similar in functionality for this to add anything to the class.

The problem with power weaver is you can't deal great damage with it unless you put basically everything into damage AND have group support as well. The defensive options are there to sustain better than most power builds. You'll just do jack for damage while condi is very strong for solo damage regardless of defense stats and can still deal great damage in trailblazer like any condi build.

Otherwise I agree. I'm skeptical of this suggestion.

[moony.5780]

I know I necro that post, but I wonder how eles feel nowadays about this idea......having only 10 skills with 2 elements, but the skills beeing stronger just like other professions. I know every ele main love ele as it is....But I think elites are there to change some gameplay, noone stop anyone to play old ele specs.

[AshenOwl.2485]

I'm not a fan. This isn't providing a new way to play, it's just making Ele play like every other class, in which case why not just play another class? Stripping Ele of its unique mechanic isn't the way to move forward imo.

[Mik.3401]

4 hours ago, tesnow.4721 said:

I'm not a fan. This isn't providing a new way to play, it's just making Ele play like every other class, in which case why not just play another class? Stripping Ele of its unique mechanic isn't the way to move forward imo.

Thats sort of the point of elite specs?

 

Seeing how catalyst turned out I think it would be cute to limit attunements to 2 and make the jade sphere grant additional 5 skill for each of the two chosen elements. That would be unique and it would bring GW1 Ele back just a bit.