On Gods and Dragons (PoF Spoilers)

[Justine.6351]

Humans beg and pray to the gods to help them, to intervene.Balthazar himself comes to help us kill dragons, to absorb their power, while the other gods run away and hide.We then decide to kill Balthazar and in doing so directly help Kralkatorrik absorb his glowy powers.

Dafuq did we just do?

Why not allow each of the 6 gods absorb dragon magic and become the "new dragons" ?

[VictoriaCross.3205]

we learnt that killing dragons is not option anymore until we replace their balance of magic.

[Ayakaru.6583]

@Justine.6351 said:Humans beg and pray to the gods to help them, to intervene.Balthazar himself comes to help us kill dragons, to absorb their power, while the other gods run away and hide.We then decide to kill Balthazar and in doing so directly help Kralkatorrik absorb his glowy powers.

kitten did we just do?

Why not allow each of the 6 gods absorb dragon magic and become the "new dragons" ?

Because if the gods absorb the dragon domains, they have to stay in tyria and we all know the gods' aint pacifist enough to do so. Just their presence causes cataclysmic effects. And they cant fight with the dragons either, because every continent would turn into Elona's desolation on steroids.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

@Justine.6351 said:Why not allow each of the 6 gods absorb dragon magic and become the "new dragons" ?

Because nothing says that is actually possible. In fact, it most likely isn't possible because otherwise the Forgotten would have likely gone with that plan rather than raising new dragons and hoping they'd be better than the Elder Dragons.

And the death of three dragons will destroy Tyria without replacements of the first two.

[Justine.6351]

@Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

@Justine.6351 said:Why not allow each of the 6 gods absorb dragon magic and become the "new dragons" ?

Because nothing says that is actually possible. In fact, it most likely isn't possible because otherwise the Forgotten would have likely gone with that plan rather than raising new dragons and hoping they'd be better than the Elder Dragons.

And the death of three dragons will destroy Tyria without replacements of the first two.

?The forgotten did that because the gods were not on tyria when they converted glint nor when they started raising vlast.Balthazar's whole plot the LS 3 and PoF was to absorb the dragons magic.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

I'm not so sure we can trust Warden Ilyra's words in Arah about the gods not yet being around, as she later confirmed via book in Season 2 that the Forgotten had come from the Mists, and both said book and PoF promotions as well as Glint's own memories all confirmed the Forgotten to be highly tied to the gods - even those that served Glint.

They very much could have planned for the gods to replace the Elder Dragons in the nearly 2,000 years that the gods were on Tyria. Even though the Elder Dragons slept - if not because the Elder Dragons slept - they could have replaced them in that timeframe.

The fact that the five gods did not kill Abaddon and split his power among the group (or let one - like Dwayna, the leader - take the power in addition to their own) heavily hints that the gods have a "limit" to how much magic they can house. The Elder Dragons don't seem to have this limit, given Kralkatorrik's actions. If so, then Balthazar's actions during Season 3 and Path of Fire is only possible because he was no longer a god but a former god like Dhuum has become.

Besides all that, however, just absorbing magic doesn't do diddly squat for balancing The All - if that were so, then Kralkatorrik absorbing all that magic would be beneficial, but in Small Victory Taimi says that will likely further the imbalance. Magical quantities is not the only issue, as people tend to easily forget. The All is more than just Tyria and the six Elder Dragons - the Elder Dragons are tied to those spheres, but they are not those spheres (both as stated by Durmand Priory norn during Hidden Arcana, and the book Rising Stars by the jotun in the Priory's normal library - and also shown in Taimi's simulation cinematic, where we see Zhaitan's and Mordremoth's spheres still moving, but incredibly slowly).

Even if the gods absorbed the magic, that is no guarantee that they would become connected to those spheres. And if they cannot connect to those spheres, then Tyria would die when the third Elder Dragon falls.

[ugrakarma.9416]

Most people did not even understand Elder Dragons have their place in the "balancing magic of Tyria", Gods do not.

Topics such as "who will replace balthazar", reverse roles, as if they were obligatorily, 6 places of Gods to be filled in some kind of "balance of magic".

Anyway, these theories has as its common root the tempting idea of equating the Gods with Elder Dragons.

must remeber that idea of Elder Dragons is some kind of raw elemental forces, "raw power" as Kormir said.

[draxynnic.3719]

@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:The fact that the five gods did not kill Abaddon and split his power among the group (or let one - like Dwayna, the leader - take the power in addition to their own) heavily hints that the gods have a "limit" to how much magic they can house. The Elder Dragons don't seem to have this limit, given Kralkatorrik's actions. If so, then Balthazar's actions during Season 3 and Path of Fire is only possible because he was no longer a god but a former god like Dhuum has become.

It's an explanation for Abaddon, but in Facing the Truth Balthaddon claims that he's going to add the powers of the Elder Dragons to his own. That was before he got stripped of his godly power, so presumably that is something that was possible.

What might be the case is that the gods can only hold so much divine power, but can have as much other power as they like. So they had to wait for a successor to Abaddon rather than divvying up his power, but Balthaddon could have added the power of the Elder Dragons to his own before his fall, since the magic of Tyria is different to the divine power of the gods.

Alternatively, it's possible that the gods could absorb an arbitrarily large amount of power, but they choose not to. Possibly they know (from hard experience, perhaps) that too much power causes even a god to go crazy, so they try to avoid crossing that threshold. Or possibly they have their own balance to maintain, and concentrating too much power in one god can tip that balance. Either way, it seems Balthaddon didn't care - perhaps he accidentally crossed the threshold?

[Dark Red Killian.3946]

When speaking of the balance of magic, I think the key thing here is that the balance means to keep the magic domains separate from each other. If you have the wrong magic domains interacting with each other, it could have devastating consequences. Fire and Ice could cancel each other out and kill 2 dragons in one blow, but releasing and mixing the two magic domains cannot happen, which would have caused the destruction of tyria. Would it be possible that we somehow have to figure out how to separate the domains to restore balance? Just a thought.