So i guess necro is the bot class

[Sindrela.1846]

been doing some living story 4 and omg the amount of necros, sat in thier little spots as pets aoto kill. it was actualy quite funny as i stood on a hill and all i could see were bots.

just started a necro, so it kinda made me laugh.. was plesantly surprised at the geat an 80 boost, necro gets as i wanted to plat condition while i collect hero points for reaper and the sets actualy usefull, unlike what it gave my engi or mesmer

[Dadnir.5038]

Any profession can be used as bot. For PvE it used to be mainly ranger, now it's the necromancer.I'd personally be glad if ANet changed minions in such a way that they aren't good for boting, but, well, there is not much hope on balance these days.

[killfil.3472]

To my knowledge and experience, Necro is mainly the AFK farming class.Just park, summon minions and you're good.

[Sindrela.1846]

yeh i just found it funny, as i was in an area for story 4, part 3 and what ever direction i looked there were necro bots farming. same as the area for skyclad mushrooms.

as it stands though ive now found my class. loved engineer, but its master classes dont feel like an engineer anymore. mesmer was fun, but my little asura necro is having great time in PoF. was laughing yesterday as tried to do the hero challenge ontop of pillar, but i got knocked off and couldnt get back up due to minions, so i just stood at bottom while they did it for me.

[Anchoku.8142]

Botting is normally very low reward so that actually playing increases the rewards quite a lot. If you see bots, report them because they may be using illegal methods to bypass the lame rewards and risks of simply AFK-ing, which Arenanet allows.

[Aeolus.3615]

@Anchoku.8142 said:Botting is normally very low reward so that actually playing increases the rewards quite a lot. If you see bots, report them because they may be using illegal methods to bypass the lame rewards and risks of simply AFK-ing, which Arenanet allows.

500 gold per week on non agressive mode for what ive been told.

[Tuna Bandit.3786]

It's the whole AFK system to be honest.Go stand in a s4 map, have an auto attack spam...you can stand there for hours.

Go stand in mistlock... do nothing... kicked after 15 minutes (where afk doesn't harm anyone)Go stand in Queensdale... do nothing... not kicked after 1 hour.

Change the afk system to movement and your problem is solved. Actual movement as in a change of xyz coördinates of the player. Walking into a wall won't help

Other method: Spawn elites or champs on the camp spots every now and then... high enough enemies that an inactive botter won't survive the fight.Block rezz of allies in those known locations.

Reality is, I can go RIGHT NOW to a number of maps and take pictures of AFK farmers... They are ALWAYS there... I can report them, return an hour later... they are still there... every... single... one... of... them!!

ArenaNet needs to realize that for the real players, it is extremely discouraging to play maps where people doing absolutely nothing get such high rewards.Untill they ignore that disruptive part of afk farming, nothing will change.Untill then... I will - against better judgement - keep reporting these crooks

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

@Aeolus.3615 said:

@"Anchoku.8142" said:Botting is normally very low reward so that actually playing increases the rewards quite a lot. If you see bots, report them because they may be using illegal methods to bypass the lame rewards and risks of simply AFK-ing, which Arenanet allows.

500 gold per week on non agressive mode for what ive been told.

That's a very low gold income. Many map metas approach 30g/hr with Spirit Shard promotion. If you play eight hours a day, six days a week allowing for one day off, that brings you to about 1440g income, or around 1k at the worst.

"But that requires heavy farming". Nope, this is reachable just doing AB meta every 2 hrs for 15mins.

Furthermore bot will hit DR from being in one place for too long so without manual intervention, 500g/wk is impossible.

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Players really need to stop spreading panic that bots affect the econemy. They're a nuisance at best, the econemy is ruined by players who have 1,000,000g constantly flipping items on the TP worth anywhere from silvers to thousands of gold.

I wouldn't even report bots in PvE, its using up valuable dev resources they could spend on real hackers and cheaters. There's a big difference between a Necro bot farming some basic junk with Minions, and a bot on siege in WvW, or a bot on the enemy team in PvP. Those are what we need to be doing something about, before they ruin competitive modes for good.

[Sobx.1758]

@Aeolus.3615 said:

@Anchoku.8142 said:Botting is normally very low reward so that actually playing increases the rewards quite a lot. If you see bots, report them because they may be using illegal methods to bypass the lame rewards and risks of simply AFK-ing, which Arenanet allows.

500 gold per week on non agressive mode for what ive been told.

Told by whom? How many hours ingame per week? What's the actual gph?

[Xanadrine.4352]

well by now i would have thought you all know the solution to this. do what wow does if your pet or minion kill a mob without any input or damage from you, there is no loot the mob despawns.

[Xanadrine.4352]

@Hannelore.8153 said:

@Aeolus.3615 said:

@"Anchoku.8142" said:Botting is normally very low reward so that actually playing increases the rewards quite a lot. If you see bots, report them because they may be using illegal methods to bypass the lame rewards and risks of simply AFK-ing, which Arenanet allows.

500 gold per week on non agressive mode for what ive been told.

That's a very low gold income. Many map metas approach 30g/hr with Spirit Shard promotion. If you play eight hours a day, six days a week allowing for one day off, that brings you to about 1440g income, or around 1k at the worst.

"But that requires heavy farming". Nope, this is reachable just doing AB meta every 2 hrs for 15mins.

Furthermore bot will hit DR from being in one place for too long so without manual intervention, 500g/wk is impossible.

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Players really need to stop spreading panic that bots affect the econemy. They're a nuisance at best, the econemy is ruined by players who have 1,000,000g constantly flipping items on the TP worth anywhere from silvers to thousands of gold.

I wouldn't even report bots in PvE, its using up valuable dev resources they could spend on real hackers and cheaters. There's a big difference between a Necro bot farming some basic junk with Minions, and a bot on siege in WvW, or a bot on the enemy team in PvP. Those are what we need to be doing something about, before they ruin competitive modes for good.

I agree.. I think most of these farm bots prob arent even bots just lazy players.

[Anchoku.8142]

Players who get 500g from AFK-ing could be running multiple accounts on virtual machines. That seems like too much effort while risking a mass-banning. Multiple paid accounts is the wrong way to AFK-farm (Is there even a right way?) so it seems like something that violates ToS would be used.

[vee.5609]

The problem is it is a cat-and-mouse-game of detection and enforcing rules. people can sit for 20hrs a day with 10 alts running on low-end-systems and be at their systems while not moving their not-afk-necro around. Then there's those going through extreme measures who are actually afk - good luck detecting the bad actors. Also the last time gw2 scanned folks systems for malicious tools, the community had an uproar. The only real defense would be to implement a rule (that is actually enforceable) that would state if you look like you're afk in an area that can be capitalized upon by farming ads/events , you get the boot for some time. If it does not appear you're afk, you'd be fine. Fall asleep at the computer? sure - get the boot. enough and maybe you wont fall asleep at the computer in the same map in the same coordinates again. But this leads to another discussion: the idle-kick is set to different times in different maps - anybody can find that time and then abuse that by checking on their system even at half that interval, so really would need a lot of babysitters to even enforce 'looks like afk and/or not'. Investing time into implementing more anti-farm rules would also prove difficult, or turning ads into friendlies to said account - but at which 'algorithm', after coordinates do not change within a certain delta-distance after a certain time threshold? It could still be abused, it will always be abused. In all reality, afk farming should be allowed since there are minimal incentives not to afk-farm and more cost to prevent it.

 

But yes the idle-kick system is a joke. Especially with all classes and ability to auto-cast at feet, even aoe triggers; the idle-kick system and the auto-cast system set us up for failure; and well, there has been 0 implementation towards fixing these, so it is subject to interpretation. My guess is: the more not-afk-farmers there are, the more income is per funded account. It feeds well into the professional-streamer too; get a hoard of not-afk-necros, farm up some gold, offer a legendary once a week on a stream, get people to fund me via patreon in my stream, add more not-afk-necros, epzp right?

Edited May 6, 2021 by vee.5609