condi thief

[Styros.8931]

Omg anet , you finally kill condi thief and delete confusion trait . Ty god, now plz kill d/p power thief 🤤

Edited April 30, 2021 by Styros.8931

[kash.9213]

That trait was awesome for power and had a trade off. I'm missing the reason why they needed to change this trait at all, unless according to their notes they believe they're throwing a bone to condi thieves, but they could have done something else. The confusion helped force decisions on another player like Torment did before they killed that also.

[Master Ketsu.4569]

Condi thief is definitely a degenerate build as the initial burst is way too easy to land / very hard to avoid due to it being from a long lasting stealth, however it's not exactly hard to fight against. All you have to do is clear the initial burst condis ASAP and then attack the thief to force them to either disengage and wait or die - and the disengage will last a while as the main weakness of condi p/d is their d@mage is pretty meh outside the initial steal burst which has a hefty cooldown to it. If you see a condi thief on the other team and you don't swap your build to something with a good clear it's kind of your own fault. 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Master Ketsu.4569

[felix.2386]

yes, good change

d/p daredevil also needs nerf

currently theres 4 power d/p drd thief in top 10.

[Raiden The Beast.3016]

25 minutes ago, felix.2386 said:

yes, good change

d/p daredevil also needs nerf

currently theres 4 power d/p drd thief in top 10.

New forum, same plebs ...

[felix.2386]

6 minutes ago, Raiden The Beast.3016 said:

New forum, same plebs ...

i'm actually top25 thief, what are you again?

also ill beat your thief on my thief anytime, you the real pleb here.

Edited April 30, 2021 by felix.2386

[Styros.8931]

6 minutes ago, Raiden The Beast.3016 said:

New forum, same plebs ...

new design , not new forum . And yes d/p thief is broken , too many blinds and endless stealth because of heartseeker+blackpowder spam 

[Psycoprophet.8107]

New forum design same gw2 player mentality.

Thief Subform- 25% actual thief players post-50% players that never touched the class hating on it and wanting it deleted or giving their so knowledgeable suggestions on how to balance the class they dont know anything about and hate-25% players that say their thief players(hehe warrior main anyone?) but only post to ask for thief nerfs and buffs to other classes (hehe warrior maybe?) cuz u kno....why not.

I'm not surprised by the so called massive balance pass being actually no more than an average one compared to most mmo's, im so glad I barely play this game, its pvp player mentality is something else, so is its stale state.

Oh and I'm top 5 thief.....see how easy it is to type that, doesnt mean it's true nor does it mean my suggestions are genuine or correct.

Edited April 30, 2021 by Psycoprophet.8107

[Styros.8931]

4 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

 

Oh and I'm top 5 thief.....see how easy it is to type that, doesnt mean it's true nor does it mean my suggestions are genuine or correct.

 

so funny and i'm rank 1 thief, i know better about game 

[felix.2386]

24 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

New forum design same gw2 player mentality.

Thief Subform- 25% actual thief players post-50% players that never touched the class hating on it and wanting it deleted or giving their so knowledgeable suggestions on how to balance the class they dont know anything about and hate-25% players that say their thief players(hehe warrior main anyone?) but only post to ask for thief nerfs and buffs to other classes (hehe warrior maybe?) cuz u kno....why not.

I'm not surprised by the so called massive balance pass being actually no more than an average one compared to most mmo's, im so glad I barely play this game, its pvp player mentality is something else, so is its stale state.

Oh and I'm top 5 thief.....see how easy it is to type that, doesnt mean it's true nor does it mean my suggestions are genuine or correct.

 

like.

i bring actual statistic.

every top team played thief last mAT

and

i bring more statistic

4 out of top 10 play thief.

and also adding personally im fairly high ranked with thief to solidify my view to show that i actually have experience on thief and not just pulling things out of my butt.

 

yet you "blahblahblah thief bad blahblah, cuz i said so, blahblah, i never talk about my rank tho but i'm super good thief and i dont care any statstic, thief is bad because i said so and it is bad in high end pvp because i think so."

 

funny how you laugh at the person for bringing actual argument and statistic and actually has played the class in a fair level.

 

funny how in your eyes, saying my rank is a show off that don't mean anything, what else determine if you are actually a good thief play or just some no brain low gold thief? by typing non sense statement without statistic to back it up?

 

don't you feel the embarasment at all or you want me to embarrasse you in game with thief duels?

Edited April 30, 2021 by felix.2386

[Psycoprophet.8107]

I'm rank .5 thief player and I know better than u so..... and my bud hrbzuhdbdh is .25 rank so he knows better than both of us so..

[Psycoprophet.8107]

20 minutes ago, felix.2386 said:

 

like.

i bring actual statistic.

every top team played thief last mAT

and

i bring more statistic

4 out of top 10 play thief.

and also adding personally im fairly high ranked with thief to solidify my view to show that i actually have experience on thief and not just pulling things out of my butt.

 

yet you "blahblahblah thief bad blahblah, cuz i said so, blahblah, i never talk about my rank tho but i'm super good thief and i dont care any statstic, thief is bad because i said so and it is bad in high end pvp because i think so."

 

funny how you laugh at the person for bringing actual argument and statistic and actually has played the class in a fair level.

 

funny how in your eyes, saying my rank is a show off that don't mean anything, what else determine if you are actually a good thief play or just some no brain low gold thief? by typing non sense statement without statistic to back it up?

 

don't you feel the embarasment at all or you want me to embarrasse you in game with thief duels?

go back to the warrior subform and argue for buffs and leave the thief sub forum for actually thief players and genuine players that wanna learn about it. Thank.

Edited April 30, 2021 by Psycoprophet.8107

[felix.2386]

14 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

I'm rank .5 thief player and I know better than u so..... and my bud hrbzuhdbdh is .25 rank so he knows better than both of us so..

so your friend whos rank 25 thief knows more then you rank 5 thief? you are not making any sense whats so ever

 

or you are really trying to be funny saying you are 0.5 rank thief player, seriously?

if that's the case i'm actually trying to have a constructive argument with actual statstic right here.

 

why should i go "back" to warrior subforum when literally i was the one who complained full counter being overpowered in warrior subform 1 month before healbreaker was even a thing, i will complain about anything that is overpowered no matter the class unless you can prove other wise with actual argument.

 

either you bring actual argument with statistic or don't ever try to expect thoughtful response.

Edited April 30, 2021 by felix.2386

[Quadox.7834]

Sounds like a decent change; less burst, more damage over time

Edited April 30, 2021 by Quadox.7834

[Master Ketsu.4569]

48 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said:

New forum design same gw2 player mentality.

 

 

Not like they really changed much. Only big difference I can tell is new look and now "helpful" and "like" are consolidated into a heart button with reaction emojis. Meh.

[Metzie.3012]

2 hours ago, Styros.8931 said:

new design , not new forum . And yes d/p thief is broken , too many blinds and endless stealth because of heartseeker+blackpowder spam 

 

Black Powder spam - lmao, nice joke! 🙂  Initiative Cost = 6. Max Initiative 15 (with trait). Now start counting. And how much of the initiative is then left or remains. You don't seem to have much of a clue about thieves (or about the initiative system, no offence). Or you misuse the word "spamming" to express annoyance about the class. Change my mind! In any case, it is not (any longer) that simple as you illustrate it (as "spamming"). Several factors play a role!

 

Nevertheless, the problem you refer to as "spamming" is also reflected in the (outdated) initiative cost system and its function (concerning the individual specialisations). I don't go into this in detail at the moment, see why in the following text below.

 

I had actually written a lot more text, also describing what ANet could or should change in order to simplify or improve the "balancing" (according to ANet manner), but the new forum (design), also because I had to interrupt the comment, did not save my original and more detailed text. I may or probably will go into the whole thing in more detail in a special "Thief and Initiative Costs" post.

Edited April 30, 2021 by Metzie.3012

[Styros.8931]

17 minutes ago, Metzie.3012 said:

 

Black Powder spam - lmao, nice joke! 🙂  Initiative Cost = 6. Max Initiative 15 (with trait). Now start counting.  

You can't count at all I see pepeg , specially when klepto give 2 initiative and roll give 6 initiative , oh wait and don't forget lead attacks that reduce cd for steal ( because steal give 2 as i said before  )  . Oh wow you are good , don't forget that black powder has 4 sec duration and count how many times you can use for how long 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Styros.8931

[Metzie.3012]

12 minutes ago, Styros.8931 said:

You can't count at all I see pepeg , specially when klepto give 2 initiative and roll give 6 initiative , oh wait and don't forget lead attacks that reduce cd for steal ( because steal give 2 as i said before  )  . Oh wow you are good 

 

You are a funny fresh fruit indeed. But okay, let's add the two "initiative points" you get when you successfully (I repeat, successfully) steal. And now? How often can you still use "black powder" then? Consider your content or statements factually, and do not overreact ... just because someone has written something about it or criticised it (not in a bad way)! It was only about your comment or word usage "spamming" and that's what I was referring to! 😉  

[Styros.8931]

2 minutes ago, Metzie.3012 said:

 

You are a funny fresh fruit indeed. But okay, let's add the two "initiative points" you get when you successfully (I repeat, successfully) steal. And now?

wow you actually can't read . Ok we can end here, I understand who playing on d/p thief now 😂

[Metzie.3012]

12 hours ago, Styros.8931 said:

wow you actually can't read . Ok we can end here, I understand who playing on d/p thief now 😂

 

Not at all. Perhaps reconsider your bias when the opportunity arises. The world is more colourful than you think. 🙂

I personally don't like SA in combination with d/p (because it doesn't require much "skill"). The same applies to "Deadeye", by the way. I mainly - meanwhile - play s/d, when i play thief (even if it has the disadvantage compared to sa d/p).

 

Once again, I will repeat myself. I was referring to your post where you misused the word spamming (without continuing information, i.e. a build that uses any resource to get initiative). If you had named a "build" that was designed to do just that, I probably wouldn't have written anything about it.

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Metzie.3012
Because i can

[Raiden The Beast.3016]

11 hours ago, felix.2386 said:

i'm actually top25 thief, what are you again?

also ill beat your thief on my thief anytime, you the real pleb here.

I cant see u in LB in EU / NA top 25 and if I wouldnt care, I also cannot remember ever faced u. Howeber top 10 EU is Rip on Mirage 3 times, the teefs u talking about are on DE and not dp DD ... as example dest on his DE two times in the ladder top10. We all know teef is good in real competitive play this why we see it in MAT, in rank we all know it is a diffrent story. 

But when we talking about competitive presents than there r other top spots too next to teef, correct? ... holobolo, renebene, guard, ....

 

Buff teef it is noodle dmg 🤙

[Miss Pepper.5793]

23 hours ago, kash.9213 said:

That trait was awesome for power and had a trade off. I'm missing the reason why they needed to change this trait at all, unless according to their notes they believe they're throwing a bone to condi thieves, but they could have done something else. The confusion helped force decisions on another player like Torment did before they killed that also.

Agreed, now condi thieves are virtually limited to bleeding poison and blind, welcome to burn guard world without the damage!