What the hell happened to Magdaer?!

[Lithril Ashwalker.6230]

This lore is a cliffhanger for years and last we heard it was being repaired. I want a dev to touch base on this! 

[anninke.7469]

2 minutes ago, Lithril Ashwalker.6230 said:

This lore is a cliffhanger for years and last we heard it was being repaired. I want a dev to touch base on this! 

Malyck and Laranthir play with it in the realm of the Discarded with Zojja watching them while sipping her tea.

[Kossage.9072]

I imagine that Magdaer may return alongside King Adelbern's crown and the Krytan royal locket once/if we continue the idea of ending the Foefire curse with Rytlock's Sohothin, Magdaer (preferably wielded by Logan as he's long overdue the sword), and the Heir of Ascalon wearing the crown.

 

Time will tell whether the Heir ends up being someone from Krytan royalty such as Jennah as Logan speculated in "Return to Camp Resolve"  or even from King Jadon's lost legitimate family (as devs stated that the fate of Jadon and his family, apart from his daughter born out of wedlock Salma who founded the Salmaic dynasty, has not yet been explored); possibly the other unnamed heir to the Krytan throne that Agent Ihan hints at in "The Sad Tale of the 'Ravenous'"; some Ascalonian descended from kings like Duke Wade Samuelsson of Ebonhawke who was sadly not referenced as the commander of the Ebon Vanguard during "Champions" and did not send us mail during "Champions", having some new unseen captain named Thaddeus Soren contact us instead; or even some secret heir of Barradin or Adelbern (as the GW1 manual mentions that Rurik was Adelbern's firstborn son, which might suggest other children even though Logan thinks that the Ascalon line is dead in the Camp Resolve instance).

 

There are still some unresolved issues on the charr story that GW2 might explore in the future, and that way the writers could bring back Adelbern and the Heir of Ascalon subplot.

 

After all, we witnessed various United Legions charr throughout Drizzlewood Coast (note that these were charr who didn't defect to the Dominion) treating Seraph badly and even with some barely veiled hostility in ambient dialogue in claimed camps while stating that the alliance between humans and charr is only temporary. If even some of our allied charr who didn't join Bangar's supremacist faction think so badly of humans, it wouldn't surprise me if the story explored the dealings of the popular Iron Tribune Fume Brighteye who is said to despise humans (but not necessarily other races) due to her sad backstory involving her sire and who might eventually challenge current Imperator Mia Kindleshot's politics in some manner while promoting the idea that Fume should become imperator instead.

 

We also got Malice stating in "Revels & Rivals" that the Separatists are having a resurgence, and it should've only gotten worse once news broke out about Bangar's treaty-violating insurrection and how several charr warbands from all legions joined his supremacist faction and slaughtered the human population on Drizzlewood Coast. Even if Logan, Jennah and Kasmeer did their best to keep the more volatile human political factions in line in Divinity's Reach and Ebonhawke and even if Crecia's actions during the destroyer invasion of Ebonhawke warmed up some Ascalonians to the current Blood Legion regime, I wouldn't be surprised if the Separatists continue gaining support and funding (sadly we don't yet know who is funding them after Caudecus and White Mantle's demise to enable their resurgence) and how they could become a notable threat in the future with legitimate grievances (if Bangar violated a treaty he signed, who knows if Crecia will do the same if she decides, in humans' minds, to try to become Khan-Ur; especially with Smodur dead and Mia assuming the Iron throne, humans can't know for certain what Mia's stances on Smodur's treaty are either even if we as players know that Mia is fully pro-treaty).

 

We still don't know why the charr easily accepted Efram, Crecia and Mia as imperators if the charr are supposed to follow the rule from charr blog posts such as "The Legions of the Charr" and "The Ecology of the Charr" that only confirmed descendants of the Khan-Ur can become imperators. Perhaps the implication is that Crecia and Efram are related to some high-ranking charr bloodline (we never got to meet Crecia's evil Flame shaman sire after all) that allows them to lead their respective legions undisputed, while Mia could be revealed as Smodur's daughter for all we know, unless the charr have abolished this ancient ascendancy rule due to their recent political upheavals. Fume could be using this argument against Mia, though, by either claiming Mia is not a legitimate descendant and thus unfit to wield the Iron crown, or alternatively Fume might belittle Mia's supposed legitimacy (as either Smodur's daughter or as a descendant of Khan-Ur) by stating that relying on old bloodlines didn't work so well for charr (look at Bangar and Smodur) and, just like the seemingly unrelated Efram and Crecia ascended to the throne, Iron should also embrace new leadership with a new, fresh bloodline that Fume represents. I'm sure Fume would be a clever enough populist politician (she's confirmed to be among the top three most popular Iron tribunes alongside Mia and Bhuer Goreblade) to twist such clauses to promote her agenda and sway charr masses behind her while being popular enough that Mia can't simply remove Fume from tribune office without causing more upheavals in the already weakened and divided Iron Legion.

 

Finally, the deaths of Kralkatorrik and Jormag/Primordus sent a lot of ambient magic into the environment. Even if most of the magic from "Dragonstorm" just went south rather than dispersing through the ley lines somehow (as opposed to how magic spread out after Kralk and Mordremoth's deaths), Adelbern and his Foefire ghosts were directly on the ley line going through Ascalon, so they should've received a magical power boost from the deaths of Zhaitan, Mordy and Kralk at minimum (including some of Balthazar's latent magic which might allow Adelbern some Mists traversal powers just like Aurene, Kralk, Jormag and presumably Primordus and deep sea dragon also got Mists traveling powers from Balthy's demise). We've seen ghosts become empowered and leycrazed as seen with Elonian bounties, so the Foefire ghosts should likewise become enraged and far more dangerous than before. Adelbern's madness and fury might only increase, and this time he'd finally have enough power to make his threat real and begin a truly massive invasion of the surface world and add all the living to his undead army. Perhaps the Sorcerer-King could even utilize the Golem's Eye, a "self-replicating ambient thaumaturgic construct" which uses any available material (stones, bones etc.) to create a "golem" body for itself and assaults anything its wielder deems a threat, as his doomsday weapon as that thing is nigh indestructible, as he did swear in Ghosts of Ascalon to wield the Eye's power one day. It could make for a great major world boss in Plains of Ashford or even a harrowing story instance/DRM/strike encounter.

 

All of these plots (empowered Adelbern's revenge, potential return of ghost Rurik and Althea to talk some sense into Adelbern and Barradin, Separatist resurgence and growing human unease about the changing charr regime, Mia vs. Fume charr politics and the potential charr ambitions for Khan-Ur, and the Heir of Ascalon and Forefire ending plot with Magdaer, Sohothin and the crown) could be tied together for a truly intriguing storyline in Ascalon and perhaps settle the dispute between humans and charr once and for all while maybe even ending the Khan-Ur ambitions and abolishing the imperator rank for an Ascalon that might become a joint human/charr Republic of Ascalon with senate representatives from all charr and human social ranks (so not just tribunes and human nobility, but plebeians and gladiums get representation too!) for a truly united and democratic coexistence (as a reverse historical development of Roman Republic becoming the Roman Empire). 🙂

Edited May 1, 2021 by Kossage.9072

[zityz.6089]

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15 hours ago, anninke.7469 said:

Malyck and Laranthir play with it in the realm of the Discarded with Zojja watching them while sipping her tea.

 

Ah yes. I believe they call that place The Dominion of Winds.

[vier.1327]

Completely forgotten, as well as E's identity...

[Ayrilana.1396]

Likely amongst many open plot threads which will never get resolved.  It's not like something like this is unexpected as seeding these open plot threads provides options later down the road if you don't have a clear idea what you're going to do with the story at the time.

[Imba.9451]

Considering humans are my favorite faction and Ascalon regaining their former glory would be my absolute fanboy-dream, I am quite happy current Anet not touching this story-thread. I would only end in tears and disappointment.

[Dib.4612]

It's sad that such an important piece of the world is just forgotten. 
It's THE sword that created the Foefire, it is the brother to Rytlocks sword Sohothin... 

 

Like c'mon you can't ignore it. Sure you can explain that Eir decided to keep it locked away as it would otherwise create some serious political turmoil. I mean... If the true heir to Ascalon presents itself with Magdaer in Ascalon... Even with the promise of it erasing the Foefire, I'm pretty sure the Charr wouldn't let anyone like that near that place. 

If Logan is in fact the rightful heir somehow then I suppose he would gladly erase the Foefire without causing so much political turmoil.

[The Greyhawk.9107]

1 hour ago, Dib.4612 said:

It's sad that such an important piece of the world is just forgotten. 
It's THE sword that created the Foefire, it is the brother to Rytlocks sword Sohothin... 

 

Like c'mon you can't ignore it. Sure you can explain that Eir decided to keep it locked away as it would otherwise create some serious political turmoil. I mean... If the true heir to Ascalon presents itself with Magdaer in Ascalon... Even with the promise of it erasing the Foefire, I'm pretty sure the Charr wouldn't let anyone like that near that place. 

If Logan is in fact the rightful heir somehow then I suppose he would gladly erase the Foefire without causing so much political turmoil.

This is ArenaNet we're talking about, they absolutely can ignore it, just like the dozens of other plot threads they've dropped, like Malyck and his Tree, or 'E', or numerous others.

[Tyson.5160]

46 minutes ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

This is ArenaNet we're talking about, they absolutely can ignore it, just like the dozens of other plot threads they've dropped, like Malyck and his Tree, or 'E', or numerous others.

I wouldn’t  be surprised if we get E related story in the future in regards to Delequa investigations. I think there was a mention of a mysterious benefactor giving them funding, which I swear was how they described E in the re-release of season 1.

[Harak.8397]

When was the last mention of Magdaer? How many LWS ago ? My last memory is just prior to HoT. They've gone through some writers since and it's likely the new ones don't know about it or have other plans.

I reserve the right to be happily surprised but I doubt we'll hear from it again. ( Yes, I'm fun at parties) 😄

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

39 minutes ago, Harak.8397 said:

When was the last mention of Magdaer? How many LWS ago ?

Core game I believe. I think the literal first and last mention of it in-game is Ascalon Catacombs - or the PS letters talking about the dungeon, depending on your order of play.

39 minutes ago, Harak.8397 said:

They've gone through some writers since and it's likely the new ones don't know about it or have other plans.

They know about it if they visited any community on a somewhat irregular basis. It gets brought up with Zojja and Malyck pretty frequently. Once every few months.

Having plans for it on the other hand...

[Biziut.3594]

I wish we could get Magdaer as the mix of legendary weapon (material and gold sink of normal lege) + Quest and story like Caladbolg.

Just make it fit into some other weapons so all chars can get use from it just like Caladbolg weapons.

And maybe change of style, kinda like Aurene weapons but not with 7 dragons, 3 styles like in GW1. Fiery, Icy, Vampiric/Bloody.

Ehh, one can always dream...

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

On 10/22/2022 at 12:10 PM, Harak.8397 said:

When was the last mention of Magdaer? How many LWS ago ? My last memory is just prior to HoT. They've gone through some writers since and it's likely the new ones don't know about it or have other plans.

I reserve the right to be happily surprised but I doubt we'll hear from it again. ( Yes, I'm fun at parties) 😄

SPOILERS FOR HEART OF THORNS AND LWS3

It was being repaired by Beigarth, who is not confirmed to have survived after Heart of Thorns. Players also mention E in this thread, who is also not confirmed to have survived after Lake Doric.

 

Sometimes when characters disappear its because they nonchalantly met their end in a war. Its heavily insinuated that many characters from the Personal Story, dungeons, LWS1 & 2 died in HoT and LWS3, as we never see most of them again (only a few important ones, like Logan).

 

Beigarth's last known action was developing a modern recipe for Deldrimor Steel, first used in the Pact weapons at a mass scale, and then later accessible to everyone through modern ascended weaponry. Whether he finished repairing Magdear (or failed to do so) isn't mentioned in game, and the fact that Eir died shortly after Beigarth's last appearance means the only other person who knew couldn't tell us either.

 

As for E ,although likely dead going by the letters in Lake Doric, he's also widely believed by the community to be Lord Faren with a literal Batman persona. This fan theory received popularity after he was also masquerading as Masked Roller "F", and the fact that no other NPC fits the bill for various reasons.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Mariyuuna.6508

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

59 minutes ago, Mariyuuna.6508 said:

SPOILERS FOR HEART OF THORNS AND LWS3

It was being repaired by Beigarth, who is not confirmed to have survived after Heart of Thorns. Players also mention E in this thread, who is also not confirmed to have survived after Lake Doric.

EoD has an implied reference to E still being around. And there's nothing to really support Beigarth dying in HoT.

59 minutes ago, Mariyuuna.6508 said:

Sometimes when characters disappear its because they nonchalantly met their end in a war. Its heavily insinuated that many characters from the Personal Story, dungeons, LWS1 & 2 died in HoT and LWS3, as we never see most of them again (only a few important ones, like Logan).

There's not really that implication, imo. While there were several deaths, all but two confirmed off-screen deaths during HoT were brand new names. The only named characters to die off-screen in HoT were Barron and Fero.

I wouldn't really take an "assume dead until told otherwise" approach, as we hadn't heard of Snarl and Galina since the PS, but they end up appearing in IBS.

Heck, sometimes characters killed on screen miraculously re-appear (Morning from the Zephyrites and Eitel the Unlovable in particular).

[Drakz.7051]

Buried and forgotten inside Zojjas golem.

[Kalavier.1097]

On 10/25/2022 at 7:48 PM, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

EoD has an implied reference to E still being around. And there's nothing to really support Beigarth dying in HoT.

There's not really that implication, imo. While there were several deaths, all but two confirmed off-screen deaths during HoT were brand new names. The only named characters to die off-screen in HoT were Barron and Fero.

I wouldn't really take an "assume dead until told otherwise" approach, as we hadn't heard of Snarl and Galina since the PS, but they end up appearing in IBS.

Heck, sometimes characters killed on screen miraculously re-appear (Morning from the Zephyrites and Eitel the Unlovable in particular).

At least with Eitel we can assume he was merely wounded in the instance, and Zamon was killed thus ending the trial by combat and he was allowed treatment or something.

[Randulf.7614]

Mr E and Zojja ran off with it and are living in Malyks Tree with the brooch (or whatever) that shows the true heir of Kryta.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

7 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

At least with Eitel we can assume he was merely wounded in the instance, and Zamon was killed thus ending the trial by combat and he was allowed treatment or something.

Can assume except for the explicit mechanics of the fight being that you have to kill Eitel, to zero HP, to defeat Zamon.

If Eitel is alive, then Zamon just goes into downed state.

[Lord Trejgon.2809]

On 10/19/2022 at 4:26 AM, Tyson.5160 said:

I wouldn’t  be surprised if we get E related story in the future in regards to Delequa investigations. I think there was a mention of a mysterious benefactor giving them funding, which I swear was how they described E in the re-release of season 1.

Mysterious Benefactor funding Delaqua investigations is most likely Canah - he mentions he made a fortune on the casino in the Arborstone and has "new venture" in mind he wants to keep secret for now.

[Jimbru.6014]

On 10/18/2022 at 7:48 PM, Dib.4612 said:

It's sad that such an important piece of the world is just forgotten. 
It's THE sword that created the Foefire, it is the brother to Rytlocks sword Sohothin... 

 

Like c'mon you can't ignore it. Sure you can explain that Eir decided to keep it locked away as it would otherwise create some serious political turmoil. I mean... If the true heir to Ascalon presents itself with Magdaer in Ascalon... Even with the promise of it erasing the Foefire, I'm pretty sure the Charr wouldn't let anyone like that near that place. 

If Logan is in fact the rightful heir somehow then I suppose he would gladly erase the Foefire without causing so much political turmoil.

The problem being that Logan isn't the rightful heir to Ascalon. TheThackerays were never connected to the Ascalonian royal family.

Unless there's an unknown descendant of Duke Barradin hiding somewhere, the rightful heir by blood MIGHT be Wade Samuelsson in Ebonhawke, the leader of the Ebon Vanguard, who MIGHT be descended from Ascalonian royalty at some unknown point in the past before the time of GW1. But there's two problems with that: he doesn't want anything to do with his supposedly royal family history, and the story of him being descended from Ascalonian kings may or may not be true, as with many stories handed down in families.

For Jennah to make a claim to Ascalon, she'd have to go all the way back to King Doric himself for a blood connection. Not to mention that neither the Charr nor many Ascalonians would accept such a claim. So that's highly unlikely too.

Given all that, it's entirely possible that there may be no living rightful heir to Ascalon. Therefore, Ascalon is stuck with ghosts for the foreseeable future.

Reference: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tyrian_royalty_family_tree

EDIT: The Ascalonian royal family tree is almost entirely blank before GW1, so it would be easy to retcon a royal blood connection for Logan back through Keiran Thackeray somehow, perhaps some kind of "royal mistress" or illegitimacy in the distant past. Not saying the writers SHOULD do that, but they easily could without changing existing lore.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Jimbru.6014

[Jimbru.6014]

On 11/17/2022 at 6:12 PM, Randulf.7614 said:

Mr E and Zojja ran off with it and are living in Malyks Tree with the brooch (or whatever) that shows the true heir of Kryta.

The last known mention of the Krytan royal locket is during LWS2. Before LWS2, it was with the Durmand Priory, who moved it and other artifacts around among their bases like a shell game to protect them. When the Mordrem attacked the caravan carrying the locket at Fort Concordia, it lost much of its power and was taken to the Priory HQ for study. So presumably it's still with the Priory, probably lost in a generic box in a warehouse like the Ark of the Covenant at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Edited November 19, 2022 by Jimbru.6014

[Randulf.7614]

1 hour ago, Jimbru.6014 said:

The last known mention of the Krytan royal locket is during LWS2. Before LWS2, it was with the Durmand Priory, who moved it and other artifacts around among their bases like a shell game to protect them. When the Mordrem attacked the caravan carrying the locket at Fort Concordia, it lost much of its power and was taken to the Priory HQ for study. So presumably it's still with the Priory, probably lost in a generic box in a warehouse like the Ark of the Covenant at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Ah, “Top Men”. I get it now 

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

3 hours ago, Jimbru.6014 said:

The last known mention of the Krytan royal locket is during LWS2. Before LWS2, it was with the Durmand Priory, who moved it and other artifacts around among their bases like a shell game to protect them. When the Mordrem attacked the caravan carrying the locket at Fort Concordia, it lost much of its power and was taken to the Priory HQ for study. So presumably it's still with the Priory, probably lost in a generic box in a warehouse like the Ark of the Covenant at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

It's also an officially dropped plotline because the main dev pushing for that plotline was Angel McCoy who left the company a while back - mid Season 3 iirc.

[Kalavier.1097]

9 hours ago, Jimbru.6014 said:

EDIT: The Ascalonian royal family tree is almost entirely blank before GW1, so it would be easy to retcon a royal blood connection for Logan back through Keiran Thackeray somehow, perhaps some kind of "royal mistress" or illegitimacy in the distant past. Not saying the writers SHOULD do that, but they easily could without changing existing lore.

The problem with this is it wouldn't really make sense as Logan doesn't really want to be a ruler either.

Plus it's the common thing lots of people have suggested to suddenly erase part of the drama related to the Krytan throne and relationships. "Oh suddenly make Logan be this long lost royal descendant of Ascalon that has never been even remotely implied before."

It's simpler to just have Wade of the Ebon Vanguard be a descendant from Barridan's family and make that a concrete connection, as Barridan was the heir to the throne but he gave it to Adelbern.