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As the conversation has moved on to players doing essentially nothing in the pre-events (e.g. pinata) being rewarded as though they had contributed, and the Verdant Brink matriarch could be brought in here as well, the main solution would appear that doing the pre-events should count towards the main reward.

 

Want to afk, or simply not bother with pre-events, get some rewards for hitting the boss. But don't get as much as people who actively contributed to make the boss event start. Because if the pre-events aren't done within the time, there is no boss that will spawn. And no rewards. So leeching wouldn't be rewarded. Yes the people trying to do the pre-event won't get rewarded either, but they were never in a position to have this happen.

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On 5/2/2021 at 3:40 AM, mindcircus.1506 said:

The players who include World Bosses in their gameplay loop have little interest in challenge.

They do so for social reasons primarily.
The rewards aren't stupidly out of control. The rewards for Teq (unless a player really lucks out with an Ascended drop) are pretty in line with the low effort "everyone press 1" gameplay style. I doubt an hour on a world boss train gets you more than 8 gold per hour average
And yet these events are usually packed.

Lots of people enjoy these activities, they aren't unbalancing the economy, the vast majority of players doing them are there because they are easy.
 

The only thing that does need to be looked at is the blatant leeching like players getting full rewards of the Choya Pinata without working the pre events, or the ones who afk, tag the boss a couple times and then AFK again.

That goes against TOS but its impossible to catch them heh. I just read some of their AFK rules and this was one of them. It's not allowed to participate in events while being AFK

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I would say make the world bosses more engaging but we know ANet would not go back to totally rework those, so I would suggest to just scrap the old world bosses style and make them more interesting as a fight.
Make the dragon minions/big monsters move around a lot stomping, if the problem is the size scalethem down a little so that you can get the right balance of player engagement with moving/dodging.
Stationary bosses that move maybe once are not that interesting to me.
And yes make them more dangerous for players.
In a perfect world I would love to see Anet take inspiration from monster hunter fights for their bosses.

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4 hours ago, Jin.8501 said:

That goes against TOS but its impossible to catch them heh. I just read some of their AFK rules and this was one of them. It's not allowed to participate in events while being AFK

Please quote the relevant passage from the ToS where it says a player cannot go AFK during an event.

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7 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

As the conversation has moved on to players doing essentially nothing in the pre-events (e.g. pinata) being rewarded as though they had contributed, and the Verdant Brink matriarch could be brought in here as well, the main solution would appear that doing the pre-events should count towards the main reward.

 

Want to afk, or simply not bother with pre-events, get some rewards for hitting the boss. But don't get as much as people who actively contributed to make the boss event start. Because if the pre-events aren't done within the time, there is no boss that will spawn. And no rewards. So leeching wouldn't be rewarded. Yes the people trying to do the pre-event won't get rewarded either, but they were never in a position to have this happen.

I don't see the point of this either ... Re-program old content just to be heavy handed on a few leechers? I mean ... who cares?

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Hard content is very ableist! Can't have that. Each and every one who plays the game is entitled to each and every reward. PlAy HoW yOu WaNt ThEy SaId!!!
/sarcasm

For realsies, I wouldn't mind it, but sooner or later, every encounter becomes "easy" as a player gets accustomed to it. And with such a wide spread of "skill" within the community, it's even harder to find that sweet spot. As much as I'd like to have some more challenging world bosses, I think challenging group content is best developped as raids/strikes and the like.

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21 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

As the conversation has moved on to players doing essentially nothing in the pre-events (e.g. pinata) being rewarded as though they had contributed, and the Verdant Brink matriarch could be brought in here as well, the main solution would appear that doing the pre-events should count towards the main reward.

 

What is the problem with the matriarch? To my understanding (I might be mistaken), there are no pre-events attached to it, it spawns at exactly the same time during the event cycle, irrespective of whatever outposts are held or not on the map below. The people waiting for it on its perch are certainly not afking  but quite skillful at cc-ing and killing it quickly (the fight gets a lot messier when people that flew up with the helicopter enter it). 

(The real problem with the matriarch event is, that the patriarch event is much better but doesn't line up well with Tangled Depths since it is done too late, if at all. So Anet - please make the patriarch spawn first and the rest of the bosses only after it's been killed 😉).

As to the Pinata - if you want more people participating in the pre-events the rewards for the coins should be better. I don't particularly enjoy navigating Amnoon which tanks my framerate even when not many other players are around, with my mount and I already got everything I want to buy from the coins 🤷‍♂️

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4 hours ago, BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372 said:

What is the problem with the matriarch? To my understanding (I might be mistaken), there are no pre-events attached to it, it spawns at exactly the same time during the event cycle, irrespective of whatever outposts are held or not on the map below. The people waiting for it on its perch are certainly not afking  but quite skillful at cc-ing and killing it quickly (the fight gets a lot messier when people that flew up with the helicopter enter it). 

(The real problem with the matriarch event is, that the patriarch event is much better but doesn't line up well with Tangled Depths since it is done too late, if at all. So Anet - please make the patriarch spawn first and the rest of the bosses only after it's been killed 😉).

As to the Pinata - if you want more people participating in the pre-events the rewards for the coins should be better. I don't particularly enjoy navigating Amnoon which tanks my framerate even when not many other players are around, with my mount and I already got everything I want to buy from the coins 🤷‍♂️

Matriarch has been a quite active discussion over the past few years, I believe since PoF came out because mounts made it stupid easy to get up there.

 

The problem with matriarch is the people waiting on the perch for it to spawn. It spawns immediately, even if the camps associated with the helos to get up there aren't held. Again, an example of players not contributing to a pre-event (hold/take back the camp) but simply smacking the boss and getting credit.

 

As the new player discussion has already been mentioned in this thread, any HoT or PoF event is more difficult for the newer players due to a lack of completed skills (advanced gliding, advanced bunny - the latter particularly so for the pinata pre-events - etc). Due to matriarch's scaling, it is easy to quickly kill this boss with relatively few players, who have their elite skills. In the time it takes to get a camp back, matriarch can be killed.

 

When you say that the people who come up in the helo make it messier, those are the people who have assisted in taking/holding a camp. They are not a negative contribution to the matriarch fight.

 

Which brings us back to: can there be a requirement for participation in pre-events be associated with the main reward from a boss kill?

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5 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

Matriarch has been a quite active discussion over the past few years, I believe since PoF came out because mounts made it stupid easy to get up there.

 

The problem with matriarch is the people waiting on the perch for it to spawn. It spawns immediately, even if the camps associated with the helos to get up there aren't held. Again, an example of players not contributing to a pre-event (hold/take back the camp) but simply smacking the boss and getting credit.

Which in my opinion indicates that the matriarch isn't tied to the events on the ground so these shouldn't be referred to as pre-events. These are only needed if you don't want to get up into the canopy with your mount. Which everyone can do without hassle nowadays. And which could be done before by parking an alt.

5 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

 

As the new player discussion has already been mentioned in this thread, any HoT or PoF event is more difficult for the newer players due to a lack of completed skills (advanced gliding, advanced bunny - the latter particularly so for the pinata pre-events - etc). Due to matriarch's scaling, it is easy to quickly kill this boss with relatively few players, who have their elite skills. In the time it takes to get a camp back, matriarch can be killed.

This honestly never happend to me when I was still doing the events on the grounds. When I arrived in the canopy the matriarch was never dead (the hold the camp event timer is set so, that it stops right before the matriarch spawns).

 

5 hours ago, Hesione.9412 said:

When you say that the people who come up in the helo make it messier, those are the people who have assisted in taking/holding a camp. They are not a negative contribution to the matriarch fight.

 

Which brings us back to: can there be a requirement for participation in pre-events be associated with the main reward from a boss kill?

No sorry, I am firmly against that. It's a game. If you like doing pre-events, do them (the game doesn't in any way punish you for doing them). I you don't, don't. Some of them I always do because I think they are fun, some I don't.

I honestly have only once witnessed a world boss fail because no one did the pre, it was the megadestroyer and it was hilarious as we waited for the clock to tick down and then 50 corpses or so littered the ground.

There are systems in place (map-participation in HOT maps and Drizzlewood, chest keys earned through doing events (Drizzlewood, Dragonfall)) to make sure players can doing more are rewarded.

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