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whats up with that?   I mean its drastically night and day.   Its like another world almost.   I just join with random dudes in gold rank and I can't figure out if its because as solo qeue there is more of a  chance you get a bot, someone throwing,  or someone who just doesn't give a crap.   Or if the MMR is just fkd and out of wack because of duos.       I mean its to the point now there really is no point in even qeuing up as a solo player.    It feels bogus and I can understand why there aren't many people who play. RIP.

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10 minutes ago, Khalisto.5780 said:

well, it's simple math, you are 20% of your team, with a duo you are 40% if you both are decent you can easily carry games, solo you can't unless your level of skill is far higher than the bracket you currently playing in

 

but think about it man.  IMO random duo partners in the same tier should be no different then random solo partners.    Why is it?    I've literally just asked in general chat for people in gold rank to team with.   Sometimes I'm rated higher then them too.   Are duo qeues a totally separate qeue then solo?  Cause its very strange how drastically different it is.

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14 minutes ago, CooloutAC.3451 said:

 

but think about it man.  IMO random duo partners in the same tier should be no different then random solo partners.    Why is it?    I've literally just asked in general chat for people in gold rank to team with.   Sometimes I'm rated higher then them too.   Are duo qeues a totally separate qeue then solo?  Cause its very strange how drastically different it is.

 

Let's say the guy you duo with is really gold, with this you have less chances being match with a bot, a silver player or a guy that will just afk and ruin your game, if there was different queues for solo and duos it would be to make your life harder not easier i guess.

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For SoloQ's DuoQ is just another huge matchmaking dice roll, and it was infinitely better without DuoQ

 

YoloQ and pray you don't get a Duo at all, and if you do, pray they're on your team.

Then pray that its not one of those games where one team has a Duo and one team doesn't.

If both of those dice rolls fail, then pray that said Duo is just 2 friends having fun and not 2 top players farming free rating, or worse, alt-smurfing to cheese the matchmaker for the same purpose. 

 

Even if you DuoQ, some of those dice rolls are still going to be a thing, and you have 3 more teammates to deal with. 

But it will make the RNG slightly better for you if that's what you want. Please gamble your rating responsibly. 

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Good luck trying to climb and stay in the top 250 playing SoloQ. The MMS can simply not manage balanced teams with the low population and Duo and Solo players queuing together.

It is even worth than that. When you will start climbing plat+, the MMS will put you against top DuoQ players used to play together for their rank. You are in fact being utilized by the MMS just to balance the average rank between the 2 teams and entertain DuoQ with games won / lost from start. This is how you get farmed as SoloQ if you dare not playing at peak times.

When we had a higher pop, the odds were more even of playing with or against DuoQ as a SoloQ player. This is not the case anymore if you are Plat+.

In everything Anet has done wrong regarding PvP, personally the one aspect that will make me quit the game is them letting a system in place they have implemented that utilizes players who SoloQ or can't play at peak times to entertain other players.

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On 5/4/2021 at 2:37 PM, Khalisto.5780 said:

 

Let's say the guy you duo with is really gold, with this you have less chances being match with a bot, a silver player or a guy that will just afk and ruin your game, if there was different queues for solo and duos it would be to make your life harder not easier i guess.

 

I don't disagree with that.   a bot,  a guy who don't care,  a win trader.  all types of epople who won't try to win.    but whether i'm a silver duo or gold duo it doesn't really change anything.   Its just the fact I'm in a duo period.

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On 5/5/2021 at 4:14 AM, Ivarian.9018 said:

Good luck trying to climb and stay in the top 250 playing SoloQ. The MMS can simply not manage balanced teams with the low population and Duo and Solo players queuing together.

It is even worth than that. When you will start climbing plat+, the MMS will put you against top DuoQ players used to play together for their rank. You are in fact being utilized by the MMS just to balance the average rank between the 2 teams and entertain DuoQ with games won / lost from start. This is how you get farmed as SoloQ if you dare not playing at peak times.

When we had a higher pop, the odds were more even of playing with or against DuoQ as a SoloQ player. This is not the case anymore if you are Plat+.

In everything Anet has done wrong regarding PvP, personally the one aspect that will make me quit the game is them letting a system in place they have implemented that utilizes players who SoloQ or can't play at peak times to entertain other players.

 

sounds about right man,  and its a shame.  I think 2 man premades were a compromise by anet,  because they know, what happened with gw1,  and they have no way to stop these sync droppers from undermining the system out of spite,  because they "want to play with friends"  other then what they have already impelemented.

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On 5/4/2021 at 8:07 PM, Khalisto.5780 said:

well, it's simple math, you are 20% of your team, with a duo you are 40% if you both are decent you can easily carry games, solo you can't unless your level of skill is far higher than the bracket you currently playing in

That's pretty much the case.

 

IF (big if) these are decent players. In many, better, in most instances, this is not the case.

 

I often experience games in which I realise afterwards (according to the game progress) why a game was lost. Especially when they are pre-made groups. Either one of the players is good, the other rather not or even both are "bad".

 

If you play solo (which is the case for me), you may not allow yourself to make any real mistakes (but usually you make mistakes, everyone does - sometimes more, sometimes less, it depends ...) and may have to compensate for mistakes made by your teammates by playing strategically clever in order to win. This is or becomes easier when "duo players" know what they are doing. In my opinion, it is even worse when you have 2 premade groups on one side. I don't want to say I've experienced everything, but enough to say so. As I said, it's all fine - as long as the players know what they are doing ... 

 

Despite all this, for me personally duo q should be removed (again). There should be a change that creates more variety than before. Similar to the "mini seasons". That means: 

  • Season: RANKED, exclusively solo queue.
  • Season (maybe mini): RANKED, mixed, solo, duo and group of three (similarly composed on both sides)
  • Mini season: as before
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