Piken Square WvW

[Roxy Enjoy.1950]

Hello, wvw community have a problem fighting vs Piken square, is very boring because no fights at all only small guilds in pime time, they have a huge squad early morning doing karma train, this keep them away from tier 5, also they have some small hardcore PPT guild (they escort dolly all day and run away from fights). Piken square is a problem for everyone. I wanna suggest to block piken square transfer and shut it down. What i mean? just block ppl inside Piken, remove one tier and make sure they cant transfer to ruin other servers.

My second suggestion is to make a mega server in Edge of The Mist and put servers like Piken Square, Drakkar Lake and Baruch Bay fight each other without any possibility of transfer.

 

i believe in arenanet, im arenanet supporter by 12 years, thx

[jemdarr.2158]

So they beat you with their playstyle?

[Svarty.8019]

1 hour ago, Roxy Enjoy.1950 said:

What i mean? just block ppl inside Piken, remove one tier and make sure they cant transfer to ruin other servers.

My second suggestion is to make a mega server in Edge of The Mist and put servers like Piken Square, Drakkar Lake and Baruch Bay fight each other without any possibility of transfer.

Your suggestion seems to involve someone actually doing something.

[Pharaohz.3470]

It's fine let them go T1 vs deso/wrs, they will enjoy each other.

[Duca di Ebonhawke.1045]

Just a Troll post, Anet should remove or close.

 

[Daredevil.2745]

I don't see trolling here, everyone knows that Piken is a PvE server. Nothing new here. Noone takes Piken seriously in terms of WvW for many years already.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Daredevil.2745

[KrHome.1920]

Why does this thread still exists? Not enough reports yet?

[Cuks.8241]

Its actualy true and we like it. And we still have tank to be out of t1. 

[Junkpile.7439]

They really like siege and walls 🤣
 

[Metzie.3012]

On 5/6/2021 at 3:55 PM, Roxy Enjoy.1950 said:

i believe in arenanet, im arenanet supporter by 12 years, thx

 

Maybe you should think about stopping ...

 

... In any case, you will not see anything that is or will be an improvement of the situation. 

 

I can also tell you that it will get worse (most likely), especially since ANet is replacing or has replaced the audience or is continuing to work on it (wanted or unwanted, does not matter).

 

TANKS, BUNKER, SUPPORTER, HEALER everywhere ... players who have no idea and use a support or zerg [copy & pasta] build to flip camps or chase opponents (nothing special ...).

 

Look at the current WvW-System or behaviour (a pure clown fiesta - with a few exceptions (that I don't even want to think of)). According to this, you will see more such "casuals" who (will) claim WvW, ... and from that, an increasingly **** game area will emerge (as it already is). Fighting (for what)? Learning to fight - for what (when you can run over a few enemies with a zerg)? What is commonplace in PvE is making its way into WvW (...). Until the day when people hold "fashion wars contests" - all together in WvW (in a matchup) and throw teddy bears at each other and running around as Quaggan (oooooh, so cute). Everything else will be secondary. Gloomy future - isn't it?

 

But I don't want to disillusion you, everything will surely turn out differently. 

 

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

4 hours ago, Cuks.8241 said:

Its actualy true and we like it. And we still have tank to be out of t1. 

tier 1 is the opposite of an acchievement tho. nobody sane wants to be there. it's like the other tier 5, just with more people. (so t5 with big queues lol)

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metzie isn't wrong there. Wvw feels to get extremly more casual. people became so clueless, they again play as if ppt was the highest art. while it's just an annoyance these days really.

 

Wvw would be pretty much the same, if the ppt score wouldn't even exist. once people realize that, we can talk. if they do not, we don't play it on the same level.

 

(and if ppt would matter, the lackluster scouting would be even a bigger issue. but what could make ppt matter... i think only prizes in big amounts of gold. everything else seems to be nearly worthless. maybe some exclusive Wvw infusions as prizes would be a thing as well. but then again, this would just draw more  pvE people in who just want to farm things and block our maps. some of them oddly even feel the Gift of Battle is a challenge. it'd be nearly funny if it wasn't so sad.)

 

@Daredevil.2745 well, it's a bit pointless to mention piken there though. it's like 7/10 servers focusing on ppt 24/7. pretty easy to detect: when the kdR is horrible but the ppt score is pretty high, you know they just focus on it. they mass suicide into any attacker till the siege is down.

 

litearlly, we'd need several new overpowered siege attacking things for this turtlemeta. golems are only used for ninja attacking. only very few times a golem is really used for a serious attack. mostly its off-hours keep ninjas on empty maps.

 

also, bloodlust + guild stat buffs removal under regular circumstances. (or reworking them to only work if outnumbered and scaling with "how bad outnumbered"the map is)

[Daredevil.2745]

I'm just sorry for Arborstone players, that they have to be linked with piken, they didn't deserve that.

[Bingus.4236]

The game mode is using PvP to interrupt people's PvE. I don't know why devs make PvP game modes like this, where the most optimum way of getting points etc is to actually avoid PvP. That's not a "fault" of players, it's just bad game design.

[Daredevil.2745]

47 minutes ago, Bingus.4236 said:

to actually avoid PvP

yea piken is good at this, i'm not suprised noone likes them xD

[Svarty.8019]

1 hour ago, Bingus.4236 said:

 to actually avoid PvP. That's not a "fault" of players, it's just bad game design.

Being able to pick and choose one's battles is all part of a little thing called strategy (or is it tactics?).

 

If you want a forced fighting mode, that's another mode that's catered for in another subforum. Here is a link for you to follow: 

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/forum/22-player-vs-player/

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

1 hour ago, Bingus.4236 said:

The game mode is using PvP to interrupt people's PvE. I don't know why devs make PvP game modes like this, where the most optimum way of getting points etc is to actually avoid PvP. That's not a "fault" of players, it's just bad game design.

thats not really the thing tho thaha. it's designed as a mass-pvp mode. the pvE aspect is more of a sideshow, its the things where u fight in and around of.

 

points don't matter, tiers don't matter. they are useless in the end. u level the fastest by actually killing other players largescale, that's how it is. when there's no big groups around, they daily Wvw ranker can take a lot of time. in a big fight, u get the 2 ranks within 10 minutes.

 

@Svarty.8019 just that turteling up as long as possible in a keep isn't exactly "picking your battles", its straight avoiding them. there's not tactics involved in ppt really.

 

with a strong enough comp, you can clap every turtle server hard enough till they flee their precious ppt keeps, it's just not easy these days anymore.

 

a lot of people do not want to see this, but yes, Wvw is about fighting. not about the objectives.

 

 

 

 

[Svarty.8019]

2 hours ago, kamikharzeeh.8016 said:

 

@Svarty.8019 Wvw is about fighting. not about the objectives.

Eh, no, it's about both. The objectives provide an interesting environment for the fighting to take place in and around.
 

[Cuks.8241]

Well let me bite the bait. We are #6 in kills and #11 in KD. Not that bad for a pve server. 

[Sylosi.6503]

I don't know which is funnier,  PPT guys who think "winning" (or even trying) matters in a 24/7 game mode, with different team sizes, where you can transfer team and that is usually a foregone conclusion.

 

Or "fight" guys who play a game mode where most "fights" are garbage, because the game mode lacks mechanisms to produce competitive encounters. And which as a skilled PvP game is not even mediocre.

 

Roleplayer is what best sums up the entire WvW playerbase, especially in 2021.

 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Sylosi.6503

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

@Svarty.8019 people dislike to fight in objectives, if they know the enemy has similar size.

 

because there's always roamers who can easy disengage there, on some servers a absurd amount of siege (i cleared alone [with afk autoattack1111] 15 pieces of siege from air keep against some known german server turtleblob after taking it)

 

and once u go to inner, they have the double guild aura with "presence of the keep", which is quite some stats. some additionally flip more ruins so they have even more extrastats... it's just tiresome to fight this. boring, annoying... idk.

 

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i would not say that most fights are garbage. only the ones on reset are 90% garbage, bc for some odd reason, there is always heavy lag. on other days u can blobfight way better, but reset is just a big mess on most times. (EU at least)

 

two times i even had disconnects, then ur stuck in Q for over one hour. today i "only" had absurd lags in 80% of all fights. like even turning the camera was barely possible anymore lol.

 

the fights overall aren't bad though. really good fights are for a reason uncommon, because u rarely get similary experienced players under one tag.

[Terrier.8732]

3 hours ago, kamikharzeeh.8016 said:

@Svarty.8019 people dislike to fight in objectives, if they know the enemy has similar size.

 

...........................................

 

the fights overall aren't bad though. really good fights are for a reason uncommon, because u rarely get similary experienced players under one tag.

Well, that is what happens when people/guilds jump servers every re-link to produce lop-sided, stacked populations. These people are not interested in "fair fights" or a distribution of skill. As long as this continues to happen, the gameplay will not improve. The irony of people complaining about the very thing they create! Imagine that! It's not all on ANet.

[Goldenmouth.3261]

1 hour ago, Terrier.8732 said:

Well, that is what happens when people/guilds jump servers every re-link to produce lop-sided, stacked populations. These people are not interested in "fair fights" or a distribution of skill. As long as this continues to happen, the gameplay will not improve. The irony of people complaining about the very thing they create! Imagine that! It's not all on ANet.

Yeah.... going against Piken's morning ppt tag that has 60 people and takes 15mins to 1111111 20% inner gate that keeps dying, respawning and comes back to spam 111111 more then open the gate and die against 10 roamers i think that's kinda fair fight, right ? Its only not fair if you are on their side 😅

[Terrier.8732]

@Goldenmouth.3261

Oh, for sure! PPT Early Morning or Nightblobs on any server suck for the overall game. Go get your easy bags! I was more talking about prime time.

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by Terrier.8732

[seoyounglee.1703]

People have an issue with pikens morning blob lead by someone who lives in Australia so its their prime time lol. Yet no one has an issue with Deso/Wsr blob taking everything in the morning and spawn camping the rest of the day? XD 

Do the same thing the original poster said but to WSR, they just want easy fights so stack all the best players on the same server and soon as they get unlinked move cause they still want them easy fights XD.

[Leaa.2943]

Now when we been through pointing at everybody except one thing, let's talk about the elephant in the room that everybody avoid to talk about. Once upon a time WvW had servers with different aim. Some aimed for PPT only some aimed for PPK only and some aimed for both. Anyway this was a healthy situation then because everybody had servers they could pick that aimed towards their playstyle. WvW was good.

 

This was then. It is deffo not now. There are still servers who have more population that is aiming at fights no doubt and again nothing wrong with it, but here is where the elephant comes in. A lot of those players points at casuals destroying their server. But being in tier 1 for a week and forced to stick another week it dawned on most of us that holy kitten WSR with all their glory have rised up again but the good players seem somehow been corrupted, because most of the players pointing at others in game and in forums to be soooooo bad, well they have become a meme of them self. 

 

Let me walk you through our last week in tier 1. And before i start, this is not about the casual players, the ppt players or those who log in every other week and scream for comander, what i will describe is players in well known guilds with well known veterans and even comanders that we in the past allways saw as good players/guilds. Mind though i am not talking about all this people but last week we saw so many of them that it blew our minds.

 

Ok so on red border which last week was my homeborder Deso/WSR liked to sit on our Firekeep. And the first half of the week this was obviously where our zerg or guilds tried to take it back or went to catch some fights. But the only thing we managed whilst trying to fight them or trying to get inside was a ocean of siege both inside and outside!. When i say a ocean not even the naitonal servers came close.

Second thing that happen was that we could not get this people to come out of the kitten firekeep to fight. At the best we got them out to the sentry and then they move back and run in. Again this is not only the casual or everything else you threwn memes about in posts before this. This was players with names from well known guilds. Some tried to hide the fact that it was them by not repping but hey veteran players know wvw players so it was not very hard at all to see them anyway.

And on top of that which is even more baffling, together with all that siege, there was constantly 10-15 rangers/soulbeasts and dragonhunter with pretty bows standing on that kitten wall also refusing to come out. 

 

And as if this was not bad enough at least 80% of them played heavy condibuilds and that is me throwing low numbers it was likely more. The cheese was so bad through the whole week that it just made you loose your interest in even trying and the only good thing from last week was that our guilds had some good guild fights and they enjoyed that..

 

So the quallity of the players on this server that once was high and hard to counter is now this. And when you guys start making the memes about other servers you should stop and check if you are one of this players who seem to wearing Disney goggles about your own way in WvW and rat on others whilst you describe your self really. 

 

To push this further, if you want to have PPK servers and be something that other players look at and feel kitten they are good then you need to start contributing towards that again and provide what you ask others to be. If they only see what we saw last week and likely also what other servers saw in tier 1 and then left it and doing everything they can to never get back up again, then this is what the casuals, the newer players and those that only show up sometimes will aim at, because they think this is what they should do.because this is what they see the veterans do. How can they learn anything else then follow what is shown to them?

 

TLR: The top tier server seem to be corrupted, probably by all the conditions they carry around to throw at others, and becomming the players you all made fun of and memes about.. You need to turn that trend around to move back to being the server we all had hard time to counter because you where very skilled back then.