Your opinion on [Explosive Shell] ?

[DanAlcedo.3281]

Hi.

 

Seems "fine" but the dmg is really low.

 

1679 base dmg with 3k power.

 

Could have been double of that in PvE.

 

Edit: Looks like you hit Large Hitboxes twice with it.

Edited May 11, 2021 by DanAlcedo.3281

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

20 minutes ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

Hi.

 

Seems "fine" but the dmg is really low.

 

1679 base dmg with 3k power.

 

Could have been double of that in PvE.

What are the other stats on it? Ammo count? AoE size?

[DanAlcedo.3281]

4 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

What are the other stats on it? Ammo count? AoE size?

 Ammo: 2

 

Targets: 5

 

Recharge: 12s (base)

 

Cooldown: 6s (base)

 

You hit only 1 target, then targets behind it in a 450 Range Cone.

 

If 2 targets are rights next to each other, you only hit one.

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by DanAlcedo.3281

[Hadi.6025]

Missing combo finisher - more specifically projectile Combo finisher. like the rest of the skills on rifle. 

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

2 minutes ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

 Ammo: 2

 

Targets: 5

 

Recharge: 12s (base)

 

Cooldown: 6s (base)

 

You hit only 1 target, then targets behind it in a 450 Range Cone.

 

If 2 targets are rights next to each other, you only hit one.

 

Really strange that this info wasn't in the patch notes.

Still, that damage is higher than Aimed Shot was. The base CD is higher, but still short. I assume that the cripple and vulnerability durations are the same as Aimed Shot's durations?

 

Not hitting two adjacent targets makes sense with how they worked the AoE though. If the second person were directly behind the other does it hit though?

 

I'm wondering now if you fire at someone beyond 1200 range does the AoE still activate at the end of the trajectory giving you an effective 1650 range shot?

[felix.2386]

sPvP perspective:

 

lol it's the same as aimed shot, just added a cone shape aoe behind it, low damage just like aimed shot.

exactly the same except the cone aoe part.

 

and now u lack adrenaline to burst skill so you going to spend more time on auto attack to enjoy that 10% damage buffed auto attack lol.

 

before u can do 4 auto attacks, which is like almost 4 seconds for one gunflame, now you need 10 attacks which is almost 9 seconds, because the full auto attack animation is 0.96 second including after cast

 

so u gonna have 40% less gunflame and more buffed auto attack damage lol...

 

oh and 10% buff damage on auto attack is tiny because AA base damage is low, so 10% on a low number is very little.

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by felix.2386

[DanAlcedo.3281]

3 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Really strange that this info wasn't in the patch notes.

Still, that damage is higher than Aimed Shot was. The base CD is higher, but still short. I assume that the cripple and vulnerability durations are the same as Aimed Shot's durations?

 

Not hitting two adjacent targets makes sense with how they worked the AoE though. If the second person were directly behind the other does it hit though?

 

I'm wondering now if you fire at someone beyond 1200 range does the AoE still activate at the end of the trajectory giving you an effective 1650 range shot?

 

Vuln(10 stacks) and cripple still  10s and 5s .

 

For the second part. TO THE TEST AREA!

Edited May 11, 2021 by DanAlcedo.3281

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Just now, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

 

Vuln and cripple still  10s and 5s .

 

For the second part. TO THE TEST AREA!

I am stuck at work sadly, so please by all means go test everything for me!

[cryorion.9532]

Well...

https://imgur.com/a/X9khws4 with realistic raid buffs + 25 vuln on golem (and air/fire sigils on rifle).

It does (sometimes) more damage than Gunflame. It has two hits, one is on hit and 2nd one is the aoe that is created after first hit. The damage number shown above the npc is sum up of both hits.

First impression is that is has potential.

[DanAlcedo.3281]

2 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

I am stuck at work sadly, so please by all means go test everything for me!

 

It works. You hit targets beyond 1200 range,

[DanAlcedo.3281]

4 minutes ago, cryorion.9532 said:

Well...

https://imgur.com/a/X9khws4 with realistic raid buffs + 25 vuln on golem (and air/fire sigils on rifle).

It does (sometimes) more damage than Gunflame. It has two hits, one is on hit and 2nd one is the aoe that is created after first hit. The damage number shown above the npc is sum up of both hits.

First impression is that is has potential.

 

Could it be that it hits twice on large hitboxes? Because i dont get double hits with it.

 Edit: Yes you hit large hitboxes twice.

Edited May 11, 2021 by DanAlcedo.3281

[cryorion.9532]

Just now, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

 

Could it be that it hits twice on large hitboxes? Because i dont get double hits with it.

 

It's the average hitbox. So it might not proc twice on small ones.

[DanAlcedo.3281]

Just now, cryorion.9532 said:

It's the average hitbox. So it might not proc twice on small ones.

 

Got double hit on the big bristlebacks but not on the small ones.

[Svhenja.3197]

Same as above, fun, but eh..i expected more.
Speaking of rifle : The Volley no longer adding up it's damage shots by shots, but shows each shot exact damage, it's bugging me haha.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

If the skill lacks the projectile combo finisher (but it's not just a tooltip issue) could it mean that it can't get reflected/deflected?

 

I'd say no ofc, but that would be veeeeery interesting and wouldnt mind it at all... 😈

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

21 minutes ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

 

It works. You hit targets beyond 1200 range,

NOICE. Gives a way to cripple and immobilize a target beyond 1200 if you take Leg Specialist.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

2 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

If the skill lacks the projectile combo finisher (but it's not just a tooltip issue) could it mean that it can't get reflected/deflected?

 

I'd say no ofc, but that would be veeeeery interesting and wouldnt mind it at all... 😈

Oh man, I reallly hope so.

Perhaps someone running away could get hit by both the AoE and the initial shot?

[felix.2386]

oh and it procing twice on larger hitbox is surely going to fixed very soon

[Grand Marshal.4098]

1 minute ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Oh man, I reallly hope so.

Perhaps someone running away could get hit by both the AoE and the initial shot?

Checking on the golem myself, sometimes both attacks trigger on the single target. Ig it's rng. 

 

But as a skill with my current gear setup and some maxed boons (and ofc signet of ferocity from arms at 5 stacks) I can get gunflame numbers. 

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Just now, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

Checking on the golem myself, sometimes both attacks trigger on the single target. Ig it's rng. 

 

But as a skill with my current gear setup and some maxed boons (and ofc signet of ferocity from arms at 5 stacks) I can get gunflame numbers. 

mmmm mini gunflame on a 6s CD without Berserk Mode...

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

1 minute ago, felix.2386 said:

oh and it procing twice on larger hitbox is surely going to fixed very soon

Let us have nice things. This may very well be an intended interaction to raise Rifle viability in endgame content. Sounds like they turned it into a ranged version of how Decapitate used to work.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

2 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

mmmm mini gunflame on a 6s CD without Berserk Mode...

yeah I'd say 6k + is more or less guaranteed if you are rdy to take the shot and you can't use gunflame.

[Jzaku.9765]

Seems to be unintentionally hitting twice literally exactly the same way Gunflame was before. I doubt it's intended, but that would mean the "intended" skill really sucks for a skill 3 with what seems to be a ~1.3 power mod. 

 

If you fiddle around with how far you are away from the target you'll find that the # of hits it does on a single target is not consistent. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Jzaku.9765

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Just now, Jzaku.9765 said:

Seems to be unintentionally hitting twice literally exactly the same way Gunflame was before. I doubt it's intended, but that would mean the "intended" skill really sucks for a skill 3 with what seems to be a ~1.3 power mod. 

Or is it more that the initial hit and the AoE both hit the same target due to however the hit boxes lined up?

[Jzaku.9765]

1 minute ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Or is it more that the initial hit and the AoE both hit the same target due to however the hit boxes lined up?

Possible, but its all semantics because Gunflame did exactly this and was quickly "fixed". How Explosive Shell is hitting twice right now does mean it's a pretty lit instant 20 vuln on a target though.