what is simpler to play counting core/elite specs warrior or necro

[ssp.1342]

wondering which one would be more simple in all specs

[TheBravery.9615]

Warrior.

 

Profession mechanic is one button, at most two (spellbreaker).

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Warrior: take all forms of passive sustain. Use movement skill to engage/reengage. Press DPS key. Occasionally grunt as you smash. Repeat as necessary.  

[Puck.3697]

is necro really considered harder then warrior? O.o was under the impression Necro is basically as easy as it gets?

[Dadnir.5038]

I'd say necromancer but I never manage to really get the hang of warrior so it's a highly subjective answer.

In general, despite what some players say, there is no profession that's really simpler than another, some have more layers of complexity available but nobody is forced to explore those layers of complexity. (In term of layers of complexity, necromancer, mesmer, warrior, ranger and thiefs are at about the same level. Then you got revenant alone at it's own level and, above, you got elementalist and engi)

[Fueki.4753]

Necromancer is probably the easiest professions to play.

Just summon minions and have them do half of the work.

It gets even easier when you unlock scourge and pop Shades everywhere to do the other half.

 

In PvP you will usually have an easy time as well, as average players (who make up the majority of people in PvP) can't counter that play style. And despite its obvious over-performance, it never really gets addressed adequately in nerf patches.

 

The only potential drawbacks to Necromancer are that its playstyle and visuals might not appeal to you.

Edited May 19, 2021 by Fueki.4753

[Myror.7521]

letz say this ....... warrior is mechanic wise the easiest to play class. BUT in reality necro is almoste the easiest to play class cause warrior is overnerfed xd.

[Pacificterror.7805]

From what I've read, Warrior has the most gentle learning curve of the professions. People do talk about Necro or Ranger as being brain dead or boring for PvE, but I think that's primarily due to minions/pets which depending on the situation aren't the crutch they're made out to be - and ultimately don't make a profession simple.

[Infusion.7149]

Why would you play core necro in PVE though unless you're leveling or some gold farmer...

[Puck.3697]

21 hours ago, Pacificterror.7805 said:

From what I've read, Warrior has the most gentle learning curve of the professions. People do talk about Necro or Ranger as being brain dead or boring for PvE, but I think that's primarily due to minions/pets which depending on the situation aren't the crutch they're made out to be - and ultimately don't make a profession simple.

 

i actually think this is a current problem.

 

when people talk about the "Easiest class to play" we all just default down to the Easiest build to play.. even if said build isnt meta. we'll mention it.

 

atm. you could make a argument that mesmer is the easiest class in the game based on that logic, Because we can say "Mirage can currently do 50k DPS Auto attacking with this build". but in reality. its not actually that easy and to play it reliably throughout content ur going to do a awful lot more.

 

Minonmancer is easy to play sure, but that doesnt mean Reaper meta builds, or Scourge meta builds are actually as easy to play, same with ranger. Soulbeast outright deletes the pet. so "ur pet can tank everything" Becomes very alien. to the reality of the situation.

 

these questions need to be asked at a baseline value. of actual Class Difficulty not the easiest builds difficulty.. but to play the class to a Good level in all enviroments.

 

i think engineer is a good example of this... if u ask people about engineer alot of people will actually say tis one of the hardest to play, however, holosmith on its current build in meta usage. snowcrows basically says its as hard to play as Reaper.

 

like this is just one example where it can conflict. when people talk about engineer difficulty, most people

 

Iare referring to how hard engineer was. not how hard it is actually today. engineers elites brought down the difficulty of engineer by ALOT. and with how bad core engi its very irrelevant how hard it used to be to play.

 

Soulbeast is Sooo much harder then ranger was, but because Ranger sits in that left "easy choice colum" or has ranger as a base class has a low Skill floor to be somewhat effective. people will be like "well rangers the ezmode of the game"

 

The orginal Stigmas or "old metas" the games seen create stigmas about class difficulty. Necro and Warrior both have low skill floors.. u most defintly will see the difference between good and bad ones regardless. just pick the one u like more effectively.

 

i'd generally like EoD to give necro a more complex elite in all honesty.. i think it'd be pretty cool to see it, they've obviously had the Condi/Support Scourge and the Pure Power based Reaper.. be curious to where the game takes em next..

Edited May 20, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[felix.2386]

play minion necro you dont need to press button

even tho you can argue necro has more buttons then warrior

but thats not the cast with minion necro

Edited May 22, 2021 by felix.2386

[Puck.3697]

8 hours ago, felix.2386 said:

play minion necro you dont need to press button

even tho you can argue necro has more buttons then warrior

but thats not the cast with minion necro

 

Tbh if he's after the actual easiest possible playstyle he prolly needs to give more info. We have the "stereotyped" 4 easy classes. However enviroment does defiantly matter. 

 

Example:

 

Power daredevil thief is quite litterally a one button playstyle. It's the easiest PvE playstyle In the game and was meta til the condi overtake and even then, condi deadeyes only concern is not teleporting into spikes with its rotation. 

 

Yet the reason thief gets considered a more difficult class is because the role it plays in SPVP takes alot of knowledge to fulfill. But I'd consider it's kit very simple. It's just knowing how to maximise thief in PvP environments which take practice. 

 

Mesmers current build is quite litterally a auto attack spam with 0 skill usuage almost. 

 

Engineer was difficult but every elite has made the class easy. Holosmith in both SPVP and PvE is pretty simple to play. 

 

Id argue the only class we see doesn't reduce in difficulty is elementalist. And that's because it's elites just fundamentally add something to it's current mechanic. Which just increases the complexity instead of reducing it. 

 

Every other class is simple realistically there's some argument that "this specific build" is difficult to pull off correctly. But if it's a 12k DPS loss who cares. 

 

The direct nature of how proffessions are designed in gw2 will very much be. 

 

The difficulty of the proffession will depend heavily on what the current meta build is for it. Hence why everytime someone asks this question people boil it down to what does open world the easiest 

 

And I wouldn't recommend choosing necro just for minonmancer. It's a meme build in low Spvp tiers and isn't used in fractal or raid environments. 

 

Every class has easy builds. Just pick the one that aesthetically appeals to you. And look how u can learn it. Elementalist is realistically the only line I'd draw with it demanding alot more effort due to the nature of the proffession. And even then the EoD elite could simplify that also

[ZDragon.3046]

Both are simple.

Warrior i would say is a bit more difficult than necromancer but is easier to understand.

skill 4 throws a greatsword at your foe skill 5 makes you run at your foe.... there is nothing complexed about understanding things like this.

 

Necromancer at least in pve where all you mainly need to worry about is offensive play for most content is very easy to play in an offensive aspect, as is it very forgiving when you do take damage (more so than warrior). Depending on how you read things though it can be more complexed to understand than warrior. Some skills wont make much sense to you at all depending on how vast your game knowledge as a whole is. As they use things like boon corruption which is rarely used in pve content until late Path of Fire and even then its minimal. 

 

As some one above said you can just take minion master necro but at that point you are really not playing the game at all. Even as a necro main I heavily do not suggest doing this. Its ok to use one or two of the minions from time to time but I am very much against using a full bar of minions as it does little to keep you engaged. 

 

If you want easy to understand and fairly simple to play then go for warrior. all the elites are fairly simple to understand and play.

If you want easier to play offensively with a bit more of a safety net play core necro or reaper  (but not minion master and i would say avoid scourge its a bit more complexed)

 

As a totally out there wild 3rd option

If you want a mix between the two play core ranger as it can be fairly similar to warrior in understanding and you get a single strong ish pet at the same time. Ranger does not get super complexed at all till you start taking elites.

[Puck.3697]

2 hours ago, ZDragon.3046 said:

Both are simple.

Warrior i would say is a bit more difficult than necromancer but is easier to understand.

skill 4 throws a greatsword at your foe skill 5 makes you run at your foe.... there is nothing complexed about understanding things like this.

 

Necromancer at least in pve where all you mainly need to worry about is offensive play for most content is very easy to play in an offensive aspect, as is it very forgiving when you do take damage (more so than warrior). Depending on how you read things though it can be more complexed to understand than warrior. Some skills wont make much sense to you at all depending on how vast your game knowledge as a whole is. As they use things like boon corruption which is rarely used in pve content until late Path of Fire and even then its minimal. 

 

As some one above said you can just take minion master necro but at that point you are really not playing the game at all. Even as a necro main I heavily do not suggest doing this. Its ok to use one or two of the minions from time to time but I am very much against using a full bar of minions as it does little to keep you engaged. 

 

If you want easy to understand and fairly simple to play then go for warrior. all the elites are fairly simple to understand and play.

If you want easier to play offensively with a bit more of a safety net play core necro or reaper  (but not minion master and i would say avoid scourge its a bit more complexed)

 

As a totally out there wild 3rd option

If you want a mix between the two play core ranger as it can be fairly similar to warrior in understanding and you get a single strong ish pet at the same time. Ranger does not get super complexed at all till you start taking elites.

 

would we consider Reaper/necro a real safety net..

 

if u absorb damage in Shroud, u are potientally losing DPS doing that because it affects shroud uptime / access. where warrior.. u just stand there and get healed. saying that, i find its simply.. ur class u choose to be ur main. will over time become the easiest to play.

 

Classes will only be "difficult" while ur uncomfortable with them. they effectively become easy to play once ur comfortable it just depends on the length of time taken to realistically reach that point.. which ur chosen class can impact.

Edited May 23, 2021 by Daddy.8125

[ZDragon.3046]

On 5/23/2021 at 6:30 PM, Daddy.8125 said:

 

would we consider Reaper/necro a real safety net..

 

if u absorb damage in Shroud, u are potientally losing DPS doing that because it affects shroud uptime / access. where warrior.. u just stand there and get healed. saying that, i find its simply.. ur class u choose to be ur main. will over time become the easiest to play.

 

Classes will only be "difficult" while ur uncomfortable with them. they effectively become easy to play once ur comfortable it just depends on the length of time taken to realistically reach that point.. which ur chosen class can impact.

 

Yes because if he is talking general pve DPS is not really a main concern you should have. taking damage in shroud is still better than taking damage raw and in pve shroud recovery can happen very quickly just from mob death or uility/ traits.  DPS only becomes a major factor to worry about once you feel comfortable enough to maybe even move on trying more complexed class or if you want to get into content where dps is your sole contribution as the other 2 or 3 players in your party provide heal/boon support like with fractals or raids way later on down the line. 

 

Keep in mind warriors's dps is not that great either if you are opting to take a lot of sustain tools over dps tools to be able to just stand there and heal through damage you take. 

 

Overall both are good starting points for most people. Many people I know today started as warrior mains. Now many of them play things like mesmer, ranger, ele, necro, etc.

[Tukaram.8256]

I think the necro is easier. I have a warrior I worked up to level 80 and never really warmed up to him.  My main is my necro minion master.  Super easy and tons of fun. 😎

[Red Haired Savage.5430]

Depends on the situation, for me I have a full glass cannon warrior for open world that I call the lazy warrior. In open world meta events where half the zerg dies to AOE I'll still be at full health. There really isn't a rotation for it. Just smash buttons and hit your burst off CD.

[Anchoku.8142]

On 5/17/2021 at 12:16 AM, ssp.1342 said:

wondering which one would be more simple in all specs

Warrior is simplest considering all spec's but Minion Master Necro is simplest for open-world ultra-casual. It's just that MM is not good for much beside that so, while Warrior is straightforward in how to attack, Necro and it's minions can AFK-farm the paltry rewards received for leaving your computer running, consuming electricity.

[Puck.3697]

On 5/25/2021 at 12:46 PM, ZDragon.3046 said:

 

Yes because if he is talking general pve DPS is not really a main concern you should have. taking damage in shroud is still better than taking damage raw and in pve shroud recovery can happen very quickly just from mob death or uility/ traits.  DPS only becomes a major factor to worry about once you feel comfortable enough to maybe even move on trying more complexed class or if you want to get into content where dps is your sole contribution as the other 2 or 3 players in your party provide heal/boon support like with fractals or raids way later on down the line. 

 

Keep in mind warriors's dps is not that great either if you are opting to take a lot of sustain tools over dps tools to be able to just stand there and heal through damage you take. 

 

Overall both are good starting points for most people. Many people I know today started as warrior mains. Now many of them play things like mesmer, ranger, ele, necro, etc.

 

I tend to only talk difficulty by those points tbh. I don't tend to look at open world difficulty. I can solo on every class regardless of how bad I am at them because open world is too easy nowadays. 

 

But ye as far as I know guard / necro / warrior / ranger are all great starting points in terms of ease to pick up. 

 

I've personally become a altaholic currently trying to pick my favourite. Necro will be next to give a proper go haha 

[Stand The Wall.6987]

necro is easier warrior is simpler