Double Teaming

[Mike.2907]

I won't bother to mention the two T4 servers who have been double teaming up since reset but since this is going to be a least a week of it (insert profanity), and match fixing has been issue since the start of WVW do you think its time to address it?

 

Sure, it's part of the game but how about make it a little more BALANCED for disadvantaged side. 

 

Buy hey, maybe those new players that you brought or those that came back for the limited WVW bonus realized the game is (STILL) BROKEN. 

Good way to lose new players or have those that regularly play, just not participate.

 

Some will you say quality or quantity but even with the best teams; greater numbers will always win out (think Russians vs kitten Germany).

 

Of course, I am only one disgruntled voice. There are more of us and not all of us are vocal but we also pay out of our pockets.

Maybe the expansion is not worth the investment, but there are other games out there to spend our coin.

 

As for the other teams; MAN UP and play as the game is meant to be played 1vs1vs1. Don't cower and try to ruin everyone else fun.

 

 

[Dawdler.8521]

The very point of a 3-way is to enable doubleteaming.

[Justine.6351]

13 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

The very point of a 3-way is to enable doubleteaming.

Sounds pretty wild.

[Pacificterror.7805]

30 minutes ago, Mike.2907 said:

Buy hey, maybe those new players that you brought or those that came back for the limited WVW bonus realized the game is (STILL) BROKEN. 

Good way to lose new players or have those that regularly play, just not participate.

 

Tried WvW for the first time with that event. Loved it and it'll be the only game mode I play for the foreseeable future.

 

I might get disillusioned at some point and maybe even bitter, but from what I've experienced so far it'll take a long time for that to happen to me.

[Mike.2907]

Hi Dawdler, thanks for reply but already mentioned that double-teaming is part of the game, but however if the MATCH is FIXED for the whole week should one server suffer the consequences and not enjoy part of the game they PAID FOR. 

 

Make it a little more worth playing the rest of the week. 

 

I have seen this happen often, people of the DISADVANTAGED TEAM will stop playing. Hence, isn't affecting peoples enjoyment of the game they purchased it for. I bought it for WVW, not PVE. 

[Mike.2907]

13 minutes ago, Pacificterror.7805 said:

 

Tried WvW for the first time with that event. Loved it and it'll be the only game mode I play for the foreseeable future.

 

I might get disillusioned at some point and maybe even bitter, but from what I've experienced so far it'll take a long time for that to happen to me.

Keep playing bud, peeps like you keep the game alive! Welcome to the club.

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

well, it's not meant to be played 1v1v1, but rather 30+vs30+vs30+

 

....which in reality looks like 55vs35v45

 

plus 5-20 clouders on each side, on some servers the blob is a cloud as well 🙂

 

by the way: grats, we just found out about the real reason why trying to balance classes is a pretty pointless effort, since u never balance the players. the dmg nerfs did yet highly benefit the larger server.

 

double teaming on largescale (and smallscale mostly as well) are individually done decisions, on largescale also spontanously happening bc u cannot just say "oh i didn't see the other blobs here too and pushing, quick all run away"

 

like literally, a lot of the "doubleteaming" that i noticed sofar is completely NOT planned.

 

it can be just players heavily misinterpreting what just happens. some position themselves in the mid of two blobs, get annihilated by a mis-aimed spike and cry then for days.

 

and even doubleteaming ppt-wise is just "happening naturally". especially the casual ppt players, who see Wvw more as their personal pvE ppt fun playground, tend to be very eager to fight against nearly empty objectives. ninja a keep? nice, everyday 10 of those at best.

this however only works due to the population imbalancing. usually the two bigger servers just prey on the smaller one. any server that has no resistance up will 99% become the ppt-target. and it isn't even any point in asking your "team" wth they are doing there even. since those players are usually the ones who try to avoid fights at all cost and insantly wipe to any group of a similar size.

 

and there's the problem. u can play a pvp mode without really playing it. it's like a guy going to spvp to cap the circles, and if someone would try to attack him, he either just runs away or stand still and dies, just to cap another circle again.

Edited May 25, 2021 by kamikharzeeh.8016

[Dawdler.8521]

1 hour ago, Mike.2907 said:

Hi Dawdler, thanks for reply but already mentioned that double-teaming is part of the game, but however if the MATCH is FIXED for the whole week should one server suffer the consequences and not enjoy part of the game they PAID FOR. 

 

Make it a little more worth playing the rest of the week. 

 

I have seen this happen often, people of the DISADVANTAGED TEAM will stop playing. Hence, isn't affecting peoples enjoyment of the game they purchased it for. I bought it for WVW, not PVE. 

Which happens when players are given free reign over a game mode thats unbalanced by design. Being the runt of T5 can be hard but thats what relinking try to fix and its 4 days for the next shuffle - for all you know you can end up in T1 on a server that wins 100% of its matches for the next 2 months. And you probably wouldnt cry for the guys ending up in T5.

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

as dawdler said... you'd be based chad ppt hero and making a post about your server beeing a "super stealthy sneaky godtier team" just because a huge number influx of bandwagoners moved to your server.

 

i mean, technically u are the bandwagoner on your own server in these cases, but well.

 

thats why the system we currently have with the links is just absurdly bad. its often even the same matchups 3-4 times, if not more often, per link. so yeah, boringness for everyone, naisu.

 

and those who are superdead activitywise have just a bigger chance to become "the next bandwagon", as that stuff mainly requires two rather empty servers.

[Ronin.4501]

This accusation used to be made on a daily basis early in the game, but these days is rarely mentioned as most of the veteran players (myself included) have no interest in working with the other servers.  More than likely, what you are in fact witnessing is two servers taking advantage of the third server's lack of population during a certain time-period or simply taking advantage of the fact that the third server focuses heavily on map A so they focus on map B. 

Enemy servers rarely if ever communicate/coordinate/work together to focus the third server, and if it does happen, it tends to happen in T1, not in T4.

 

Furthermore, assuming you're talking about NA T4, I'm currently in that match-up and can assure you there is no love lost between any of the 3 servers.

 

While it might feel like the other 2 servers are working together, as others have said above it's simply the nature of the beast in a 1v1v1 fight.  After all, what's to gain from working together (especially in the final week before re-link)?  Winning the week?  No one cares about that anymore.  Most of us are just looking for good fights. Nothing more, nothing less.

[XenesisII.1540]

Three servers... there's almost always a double team happening somewhere on some map, and it's not meant to always be 1v1v1, because if that was the case they would have just done 1v1 and called it a day.

 

You'll just have to accept that, and try to enjoy it because it usually means your side has the attention, and therefore potentially getting the most fights at the moment. It does suck when you have absolutely no one to defend with though, but in those cases you're expected to lose objectives until your side recovers and takes stuff back, so do what you can until bodies fill your side again. It's war, there's no rules to say you should be protected because you're the weakest at the moment.

 

Having said that, I'm on the group that thinks the double team should happen with the two weakest/losing sides going after the one side that is the strongest/winning the match, not the other way around. Unfortunately the game/human nature, tends to steer it the two strongest to double team the weakest one, because easy points, which they want to take for themselves.

 

In the end, winning is kinda meaningless anyways, enjoy what fights you can get.

 

[Shroud.2307]

Personally, I find being double teamed the most fun part of WvW. It means there's action everywhere and you don't have to go far to find it. It's exciting when everyone is scrambling to defenses, figuring out what's most important to protect, and rewarding when your server manages to hold it together.

Of course, when you're the smallest and don't even have the numbers to defend against one zerg, never mind two, then yeah, it can be discouraging. But even then, it's just a matter of waiting it out until the right time of day because every server has periods of low and high activity. 

[Mike.2907]

Well not my first trip to the rodeo. Been double teamed often during several matchups, but the frequency and timing become patterns may differ from those who have selective perception.

 

Another wards, don't just assume an opinion as it leads to wilful blindness. How often do patterns have to show intent?

 

But with that argument out of the way, the real intent of the post was a dig at the other participants to PUT ON YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES!

[TheGrimm.5624]

On 5/25/2021 at 12:06 AM, Pacificterror.7805 said:

 

Tried WvW for the first time with that event. Loved it and it'll be the only game mode I play for the foreseeable future.

 

I might get disillusioned at some point and maybe even bitter, but from what I've experienced so far it'll take a long time for that to happen to me.

Welcome and enjoy your stay! WvW is endgame content and considering how few changes it has seen shows the strong backbone it has to keep a lot of people playing for a long time. Good hunting to you!

[TheGrimm.5624]

3 hours ago, Mike.2907 said:

Well not my first trip to the rodeo. Been double teamed often during several matchups, but the frequency and timing become patterns may differ from those who have selective perception.

 

Another wards, don't just assume an opinion as it leads to wilful blindness. How often do patterns have to show intent?

 

But with that argument out of the way, the real intent of the post was a dig at the other participants to PUT ON YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES!

 

I understand the intent of your post and how annoying it can be to be 2 v 1. Having played other WvW games whenever we get posts about making it so it's only two sides people miss out that 2 v 1 can be healthy as well if one side outnumbers the other two combined in a given skirmish period and the under populated attack the bigger. The downside though is when that's not what is going on that leads to issues. But in two sided only conflicts you might have even worse population imbalances that lead to people not playing. Best you can do is not play the same game when the odds are reversed or work it to your advantage.

 

Give one of the other two sides encouragement to attack the other. Lead one into another. Many players regardless of their driver will see red as dead, so help them meet up and then watch the fireworks. Weaken on sides structure and then lead the others groups there. Odds are if they aren't openly talking the encouragement can shift the odds of one side not fighting the other. As others have said, it will happen and it sucks, but it doesn't mean it doesn't remove other options for you to get them redirected. As the term goes, some times you just have to embrace the suck until you can create other options.