Fears for new elite specialization

[Red Haired Savage.5430]

After looking through some of the warrior traits I'm a little concerned as to what Anet will do for traits for us with the new elite specialization. I'm mainly talking about braindead traits like blood reaction and pure strike where they're just damage increase traits, and now great fortitude. We've got a ton more that are take this trait for a percentage increase to damage. All they do is add multipliers for us to get our damage and don't feel very trait like to me. It's very uninspired and speaks volumes about what they think about our profession. I'm not sure how many other professions have similar traits but I'm not here to talk about those.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Fears? Plenty.

 

1) Lack of a decent burst mechanic

2) Lack of use  of adrenaline lvl traits (extra bad)

3) Bad new weapon skills

4) Elite spec not being capable in multiple roles (power, tank, condi ig too, support), 1 role-spec I won't play

5) New extra bad skills (Rage skills, half the meditations)

6) Them slapping boons and calling it a day instead of giving us meaningful synergies (like RR and Savage Instinct, or Leg Specialist and No escape)

7) Uuuhhh I'm running out of fears...Anything that  basically overrides core warrior and basically throws previous specs to the bin, or the delivery of meh spec that gets outshined in it's roles by the new engineer, guardian, necromancer, mesmer etc.

[Red Haired Savage.5430]

While those are all things to worry about, and rightfully so. I'm mainly talking about traits that are just take this trait and you'll get __% of damage increase. They literally add nothing new to us. Take blood reaction they could have taken the 2nd half of it and stuck it in bloody roar and it'd be the same thing. Just an increase in damage while in berserk.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

6 minutes ago, Red Haired Savage.5430 said:

While those are all things to worry about, and rightfully so. I'm mainly talking about traits that are just take this trait and you'll get __% of damage increase. They literally add nothing new to us. Take blood reaction they could have taken the 2nd half of it and stuck it in bloody roar and it'd be the same thing. Just an increase in damage while in berserk.

well, we can only hope they can get creative enough and that whoever player they ask for the new espec balance, actually mains warrior . 🤷‍♂️

[Thornwolf.9721]

49 minutes ago, Red Haired Savage.5430 said:

After looking through some of the warrior traits I'm a little concerned as to what Anet will do for traits for us with the new elite specialization. I'm mainly talking about braindead traits like blood reaction and pure strike where they're just damage increase traits, and now great fortitude. We've got a ton more that are take this trait for a percentage increase to damage. All they do is add multipliers for us to get our damage and don't feel very trait like to me. It's very uninspired and speaks volumes about what they think about our profession. I'm not sure how many other professions have similar traits but I'm not here to talk about those.

Its gonna be a melee staff, monk thing. Which will heal everyone in melee range or some such thing, so basically a support warrior and if you've watched the changes to Discipline and Tactics you'll see they are preparing for it. It will be our next healer, a warrior priest thing that uses its chi/chakra to heal. Or it will be a spec based around support/boons/healing/healing from damage taken or damage done. 

Which is one of the few area's warrior has no presence in, but also un-needed because our role has always been to disrupt, CC and so on.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

10 minutes ago, Thornwolf.9721 said:

Its gonna be a melee staff, monk thing. Which will heal everyone in melee range or some such thing, so basically a support warrior and if you've watched the changes to Discipline and Tactics you'll see they are preparing for it. It will be our next healer, a warrior priest thing that uses its chi/chakra to heal. Or it will be a spec based around support/boons/healing/healing from damage taken or damage done. 

Which is one of the few area's warrior has no presence in, but also un-needed because our role has always been to disrupt, CC and so on.

They're make space for support for sure. Could still be pistols with augmented blast finishers though, which would make good use of those new light fields.

[Thornwolf.9721]

Just now, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

They're make space for support for sure. Could still be pistols with augmented blast finishers though, which would make good use of those new light fields.

I really would like to believe that, but we're going to cantha. And I know one spec will be a "monk" in some form, a melee warrior with a staff seems fair as its the ONE melee weapon we don't have access too. Im pretty sure they will role with that because its been talked about by the community for a long time, and the dev's are kinda weeby in their own right. I expect this to be a weeaboo expansion and not the cantha I remember lmfao.

Id be surprised if we got pistols though, would be different. (Im pretty sure cantha will be ahead in magic and behind in Tech so, I doubt it would be the case as every spec BUT the revenant is usually region based.)

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

11 minutes ago, Thornwolf.9721 said:

I really would like to believe that, but we're going to cantha. And I know one spec will be a "monk" in some form, a melee warrior with a staff seems fair as its the ONE melee weapon we don't have access too. Im pretty sure they will role with that because its been talked about by the community for a long time, and the dev's are kinda weeby in their own right. I expect this to be a weeaboo expansion and not the cantha I remember lmfao.

Id be surprised if we got pistols though, would be different. (Im pretty sure cantha will be ahead in magic and behind in Tech so, I doubt it would be the case as every spec BUT the revenant is usually region based.)

It being Cantha has no bearing on what e-spec we get. Holosmith had no real link to Elona for instance.

 

True, staff would be the last possible melee weapon for us, but at the same time we don't have a single one handed range weapon. To me that is a bigger hole to fill in. Besides Cantha did have fireworks back in GW1, so a gunpowder spec isn't really that out of he question.

[Red Haired Savage.5430]

As far as weapons/range that we lack it's definitely the mid-range damage that we lack over all else, melee damage, we have that in spades. So for mid-range we'll probably either get dual pistols or short bow.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Red Haired Savage.5430
Adding dashes because Anet loves dashes.

[Dao Jones.6720]

35 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

They're make space for support for sure. Could still be pistols with augmented blast finishers though, which would make good use of those new light fields.

I would dig a support/heal spec with pistols. Especially if I have to shoot my allies to heal them. Helpful AND cathartic!

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

1 minute ago, Dao Jones.6720 said:

I would dig a support/heal spec with pistols. Especially if I have to shoot my allies to heal them. Helpful AND cathartic!

I know right? Let your heal skill be some kind of water grenade, lob it at your front line (small heal for you of course, and a medium heal at the target location), then pop an F1 blast finisher and a Pistol 3 blast finisher on the lingering water field.

[Fueki.4753]

4 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

They're make space for support for sure. Could still be pistols with augmented blast finishers though, which would make good use of those new light fields.

I'd rather have Arenanet removing the recent banner changes.

Remove the unnecessary light fields, make them work for 10 people as part of the skills again and have the traits apply the full bonus again.

 

I'd rather not see Warriors get a pistol.

It would most likely end up being useless like rifle anyway.

 

4 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

It being Cantha has no bearing on what e-spec we get. Holosmith had no real link to Elona for instance.

Holosmith's technology is based on Glint's crystals that the Zephyrites use.

While it's not directly in Elona, the Crystal Desert is part of PoF, so Holosmith's theme is strongly linked to PoF.

[TheBravery.9615]

9 hours ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

Fears? Plenty.

 

1) Lack of a decent burst mechanic

2) Lack of use  of adrenaline lvl traits (extra bad)

3) Bad new weapon skills

4) Elite spec not being capable in multiple roles (power, tank, condi ig too, support), 1 role-spec I won't play

5) New extra bad skills (Rage skills, half the meditations)

6) Them slapping boons and calling it a day instead of giving us meaningful synergies (like RR and Savage Instinct, or Leg Specialist and No escape)

7) Uuuhhh I'm running out of fears...Anything that  basically overrides core warrior and basically throws previous specs to the bin, or the delivery of meh spec that gets outshined in it's roles by the new engineer, guardian, necromancer, mesmer etc.

we should make a bingo card

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

I'd say my fears would be:

1) Support spec with crappy support so never gets used as support

2) No synergies in new spec with other traitlines

3) Bad weapon skills

4) Bad new mechanic

5) Continues the over reliance on Discipline

6) Utility skills that never see use because of poor design or bad risk vs reward.

7) Slapping 10 might on something and calling it 'reworked'

8) Not having enough damage with the new spec to be worth using

Free square) No actual balance done before or after EoD release.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

8 hours ago, TheBravery.9615 said:

we should make a bingo card

They obviously won't be able to make the perfect spec, but if they rly want to listen to peoples' suggestions after the beta testing, I hope they look around our places.

 

I see Druid as such a major dissapointment in terms of implementation as a support, that warrior may actually suffer a similar fate, if no critiscism is considered after we see the new spec and they simply release it with some bug fixes for the expac..

[TheBravery.9615]

2 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

They obviously won't be able to make the perfect spec, but if they rly want to listen to peoples' suggestions after the beta testing, I hope they look around our places.

 

I see Druid as such a major dissapointment in terms of implementation as a support, that warrior may actually suffer a similar fate, if no critiscism is considered after we see the new spec and they simply release it with some bug fixes for the expac..

warrior don't need much to be a support class. Two words.

 

Stability share.

 

Guardian has been meta for the entire lifetime of Gw2 for a source of stability on top of other boons and heals. If warrior gets decent stability sharing, it could take some of that workload away from guardians for the proper support role.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

16 minutes ago, TheBravery.9615 said:

warrior don't need much to be a support class. Two words.

 

Stability share.

 

Guardian has been meta for the entire lifetime of Gw2 for a source of stability on top of other boons and heals. If warrior gets decent stability sharing, it could take some of that workload away from guardians for the proper support role.

Not a bad idea. What I had in mind was a type of utility skill  which is selfish, unless if you trait it when it becomes a shared buff. Something like glyphs, but glyphs on warrior would be meh. This would allow for selfish gameplay or teamplay.

 

For example: 

 

"Enter a state of focus and break stuns. Gain stab (5 stacks, 5 sec) and protection (5sec)" 30 sec CD

trait conversion: forfeit your selfish teachings and share your powers with your allies for new effects

"Enter a state of focus and break stuns for allies. Grant stab (3 stacks, 3 sec) and protection (4sec) for up to 5 allies" 30 sec CD

 

something like that. probably wold name them abandonment skills due to the focus and stuff, as breaths or something similar sounds to generic.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Grand Marshal.4098

[Dadnir.5038]

18 hours ago, Thornwolf.9721 said:

I really would like to believe that, but we're going to cantha. And I know one spec will be a "monk" in some form, a melee warrior with a staff seems fair as its the ONE melee weapon we don't have access too.

 

Why would you expect that?

 

First and foremost, GW's "monk" have more ties to Guardian than it will ever have with Warrior, while the "asian monk" thematic is already taken by daredevil. If you were to think about warrior's example in cantha, you'd probably image kurzik's juggernauts, an imperial soldier in heavy armor, a dual wielding tengu or even a jade brotherhood axe wielder.

 

Personally, I think that warrior won't get staff as a weapon because revenant and dardevil already fullfil this melee staff user fantasy and there is little to nothing that ANet can add to this fantasy by giving warrior a melee staff. Warrior thematic also put him as a heavy fighter, not a swift and flexible one, which clash with the "monk" image that you envision.

 

It's my point of view but I think the next warrior e-spec will revolve aroud the thematic of the banner. (for me signet of rage's self empowering effect is the thematic base of the berserker, while rampage and it's heavy reliance on hard CC is the thematic base of spellbreaker). Thus, I expect warrior to get a standard bearer of a kind, an e-spec that lead at the frontline, a comandeering image more than a pole dancer. (And I expect the standard/banner to not be an optional weapon which make having a staff on top of that way to redundant).

 

If I had to fear something it would be more ANet going all in with might sharing on this e-spec.

 

[Grand Marshal.4098]

Just give me Greataxe already and let me do what https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Legendary_Axemaster_Hareth does 

 

😂😌

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

1 hour ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

 

Why would you expect that?

 

First and foremost, GW's "monk" have more ties to Guardian than it will ever have with Warrior, while the "asian monk" thematic is already taken by daredevil. If you were to think about warrior's example in cantha, you'd probably image kurzik's juggernauts, an imperial soldier in heavy armor, a dual wielding tengu or even a jade brotherhood axe wielder.

 

Personally, I think that warrior won't get staff as a weapon because revenant and dardevil already fullfil this melee staff user fantasy and there is little to nothing that ANet can add to this fantasy by giving warrior a melee staff. Warrior thematic also put him as a heavy fighter, not a swift and flexible one, which clash with the "monk" image that you envision.

 

It's my point of view but I think the next warrior e-spec will revolve aroud the thematic of the banner. (for me signet of rage's self empowering effect is the thematic base of the berserker, while rampage and it's heavy reliance on hard CC is the thematic base of spellbreaker). Thus, I expect warrior to get a standard bearer of a kind, an e-spec that lead at the frontline, a comandeering image more than a pole dancer. (And I expect the standard/banner to not be an optional weapon which make having a staff on top of that way to redundant).

 

If I had to fear something it would be more ANet going all in with might sharing on this e-spec.

 

We already have some of the best might sharing though.

If anything I think what would be cool is for us to be able to share things like Might Makes Right, Berserker's Power, Adrenal Health, Cleansing Ire, and Burst Precision, even if at a lesser degree. If we could do that then that would be pretty decent support without even touching weapon skills.

[Dadnir.5038]

1 minute ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

We already have some of the best might sharing though.

If anything I think what would be cool is for us to be able to share things like Might Makes Right, Berserker's Power, Adrenal Health, Cleansing Ire, and Burst Precision, even if at a lesser degree. If we could do that then that would be pretty decent support without even touching weapon skills.

 

That's why it's what I "fear". We can easily see that might sharing (and generally giving out power) is a cornerstone of warrior's support, I fear the possibility that ANet's devs capitalize on that.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

10 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

 

That's why it's what I "fear". We can easily see that might sharing (and generally giving out power) is a cornerstone of warrior's support, I fear the possibility that ANet's devs capitalize on that.

If they went all in on it, then I can see it done right if it was of the form:

1) Heal other allies you grant might to (like MM, but for other people)

2) Grant other allies increased strike damage when you use a burst (like BP but for other people)

3) Cleanse conditions on other allies when you use a burst (Cleansing Ire, but for other people)

4) Grant endurance to other allies you grant might to (A lesser MMR for other people)

 

Things like that. It would have to have a selfish set of traits to balance it out though. 

 

Edit: healing other allies you grant might too would be pretty strong on a warrior, especially with more than one warrior present, even if it were a flat 50HP with no scaling.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Lan Deathrider.5910

[nthmetal.9652]

On 5/28/2021 at 4:03 PM, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

or the delivery of meh spec that gets outshined in it's roles by the new engineer, guardian, necromancer,

As this is already the case, I think you may bury this fear. All these already outshine the warrior in damage AND utility and versatility, all mostly countered by banners providing a unique buff. GG.

[Sobx.1758]

On 5/28/2021 at 4:03 PM, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

Fears? Plenty.

 

1) Lack of a decent burst mechanic

2) Lack of use  of adrenaline lvl traits (extra bad)

3) Bad new weapon skills

4) Elite spec not being capable in multiple roles (power, tank, condi ig too, support), 1 role-spec I won't play

5) New extra bad skills (Rage skills, half the meditations)

6) Them slapping boons and calling it a day instead of giving us meaningful synergies (like RR and Savage Instinct, or Leg Specialist and No escape)

7) Uuuhhh I'm running out of fears...Anything that  basically overrides core warrior and basically throws previous specs to the bin, or the delivery of meh spec that gets outshined in it's roles by the new engineer, guardian, necromancer, mesmer etc.

At this point just change the class, I don't know what's the point of constantly complaining and doomsaying while at the same time forcing yourself to play something you don't like.

[Sobx.1758]

8 minutes ago, nthmetal.9652 said:

As this is already the case, I think you may bury this fear. All these already outshine the warrior in damage AND utility and versatility, all mostly countered by banners providing a unique buff. GG.

"already outshine the warrior in damage AND utility, if we don't count the utility only warrior has"

...and the fact that warrior's dmg really isn't bad at all despite some people trying to constantly pretend otherwise.

 

Seriously, there are some valid complaints about warrior (as well as other classes) and then there's... whatever you did above.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Sobx.1758