Malitias.8453 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said: Nope, but I have yet to play a video game that doesn't have a random reward element to them, and that's the complaint of the person I quoted. What the... you haven't played many games obviously. There's always the question of how much of the rewards are RNG based and if the majority of important items can be acquired with certainty. Games like Dark Souls, Sekiro, Outward(apart from the last DLC, screw that DLC) have close to no meaningful items or mechanics tied to RNG. The importance of the rewards that are tied to RNG is what can make it frustrating. Random rewards also used to be the absolute exception in competitive genres like strategy and fighting games. And I can't remember anything that involved RNG back when I played Donkey Kong and Super Mario on the SNES. Adventure Games like Monkey Island have no RNG whatsoever. Edited June 5, 2021 by Malitias.8453 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 10 hours ago, Fuchslein.8639 said: there was once a long discussion about this. The main viewpoints of people was that Anet must also somehow finance itself and that people have their own will and do not have to buy the things ^^'' because GW2 is still humane in terms of these things. But I find it sad when you support something like that, just because it is the only gmabling mechanic in the game. To the rest I would say nothing. People who think, just don't do it will never understand what is behind such gambling things and the people who fall for it. Unfortunately, empathy is not widespread on the Internet. It is not the only gambling in game, ever heard of the 2 ecto gamblers? How about the randomized mount contracts for examples? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said: Nope, but I have yet to play a video game that doesn't have a random reward element to them, and that's the complaint of the person I quoted. Only its a different beast if they hook you for rl monies. All games have random loot true, but most of those games you are not buying chances to maybe win something with money. Its just random drops ingame from monsters. personally loot boxes are a dirty tactic, but I just dont buy them, feel sorry for those that do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malitias.8453 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zuldari.3940 said: All games have random loot true No, they don't. They absolutely don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Malitias.8453 said: No, they don't. They absolutely don't. Well there are set loot tables but that dont mean that a particular loot will drop. I never played a game that didnt have some random rotating loot table. What game are you speaking of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malitias.8453 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Just now, Zuldari.3940 said: Well there are set loot tables but that dont mean that a particular loot will drop. I never played a game that didnt have some random rotating loot table. What game are you speaking of? See my post at the top of this page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Malitias.8453 said: See my post at the top of this page. Thats fine not the type of games i play, but you missed the point i was making completely by focusing on whether loot is random or not. The whole point was if you read it lootboxes are scummy tactics and most games i have played you dont pay money for loot boxes, all loot drops ingame. Then again I dont normally play games that have those tactics /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malitias.8453 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Just now, Zuldari.3940 said: Thats fine not the type of games i play, but you missed the point i was making completely by focusing on whether loot is random or not. The whole point was if you read it lootboxes are scummy tactics and most games i have played you dont pay money for loot boxes, all loot drops ingame. Then again I dont normally play games that have those tactics /shrug And my point, or the one I was trying to make, is that there are plenty of games that do just fine without even including RNG-based loot in the first place. It might be a stretch, but I have the suspicion that the trend of making most rewards, even the important ones, RNG-based kind of paved the way for the rise of those scummy tactics. Again, might be a stretch, but it seems plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said: You can assume that if you want. I won't. Frankly, I think it's absurd to complain about 'surprise mechanics' ... but not have a problem with them if you didn't drop coin on them. Ah you've edited your original comment (which was "No, I can read ... That's NOT what the person I quoted said") comment and gone with some kind of vague implication that they're being disingenuous or that I've misread their statement somehow? Wouldn't it have been more graceful to simply say "ah yes, I misread that"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristingr.5034 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 20 hours ago, Malitias.8453 said: I don't know if ANet does this, but a friend of mine who is very susceptible to gambling and wasted too much money on PoEs mystery boxes, contacted the support to disable his accounts possibility of buying them and they did that. It's worth giving that a try, I think. Most Game companies have this type of option available for liability reasons, but never mention it. The above person is correct. Reach out to Anet CS to explore this option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pifil.5193 said: Ah you've edited your original comment (which was "No, I can read ... That's NOT what the person I quoted said") comment and gone with some kind of vague implication that they're being disingenuous or that I've misread their statement somehow? Wouldn't it have been more graceful to simply say "ah yes, I misread that"? I'm not into grace, I'm into being honest. It wasn't misread ... there was no indication SPECIFIC to lootboxes in the post I quoted. Edited June 5, 2021 by Obtena.7952 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingus.4236 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Obtena.7952 said: You can assume that if you want. I won't. Frankly, I think it's absurd to complain about 'surprise mechanics' ... but not have a problem with them if you didn't drop coin on them. The term "surprise mechanics" refers to when an EA executive used that term to describe loot boxes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoSundown.5419 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Obtena.7952 said: You can assume that if you want. I won't. Frankly, I think it's absurd to complain about 'surprise mechanics' ... but not have a problem with them if you didn't drop coin on them. FYI "Surprise mechanics" was a term coined by a representative of EA before a legislative committee in England which was investigating the existence and nature of loot boxes. The point behind the EA rep's use of the term was to create the impression that loot boxes aren't gambling. So, @Buzzbugs.1236 chose a term that has a specific meaning in the context of loot boxes. That term refers to loot boxes. So, it seems likely that he meant loot boxes, not the use of random number generators in games in general, which is what you seem to be taking the term to mean. He(?) also used the term "exploit," which adds further credence to the likelihood that he's talking about the sale of chances to roll on a random number generator, not random number generators in toto. You are of course, free to think what you like, but I suspect the truth is that it is not random number generation that is at issue, it is that random number generation is a tool used to trick people into spending more than they would if they knew what the price for a virtual gewgaw was going to end up being. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zuldari.3940 said: Well there are set loot tables but that dont mean that a particular loot will drop. I never played a game that didnt have some random rotating loot table. What game are you speaking of? Every single important drop in Baldur's gate was predefined (obtained from a specific mob/chest). There were random mob encounters, and those did drop semi-random loot, but that applied only to minor stuff. And it was pretty much common occurence in games at that time. Edited June 6, 2021 by Astralporing.1957 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rukia.4802 Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 All of us smart enough not to buy BL keys thank you for your patronage, and ANet thanks you too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carambola.1273 Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 I will never complain about my lucky again. I play this game since the beta and never dropped anything good. Until last night. Finally I felt blessed by the six. Why are you still talking about this? It wasn't serious. Let it go. I love GW2. Best game ever, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Carambola.1273 said: I will never complain about my lucky again. I play this game since the beta and never dropped anything good. Until last night. Finally I felt blessed by the six. Why are you still talking about this? It wasn't serious. Let it go. I love GW2. Best game ever, "Why are you still talking about this?" ? The last post in this thread was 2 weeks ago, you're the one that brings the thread up for no reason 😉 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) You know, I changed my mind. Keep the 'confused face' emotes. In fact, give us a 'rude face' one too. Someone in this thread demands it. Regardless, yes, I spent gems on keys this last patch too. I didn't get the wings I wanted, but I got the cloak instead. Good enough for me. Edited June 18, 2021 by Ardenwolfe.8590 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot.2803 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Are we talking about Black lion junk boxes here? I gave up on those after to many disappointments On a good note you can get coin for the chests selling at the TP. I do wonder of what use the are to the buyer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 The use, probably, is something to open with the Black Lion Key they have acquired. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eraden.8740 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I occasionally buy keys in bulk, just because I like collecting dyes and the other bits like the Black Lion heads can be useful for buying supplies. Is it an efficient use of gems? Probably not. Then again, it's fun enough that an occasional purchase is no biggie. If that means I am one of the shmucks that is supporting everyone else, then so be it. I am having some fun and the company gets revenue to make more content for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Anet might be able to disable the lootboxes for your acount if you contact support? In poe you can email them and ask them to disable the lootboxes so you cant buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggranya.5201 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/6/2021 at 3:49 AM, Astralporing.1957 said: Every single important drop in Baldur's gate was predefined (obtained from a specific mob/chest). There were random mob encounters, and those did drop semi-random loot, but that applied only to minor stuff. And it was pretty much common occurence in games at that time. Yes, a time when games were sold once and the experience was designed to be enjoyable/rewarding/fun instead of being designed to waste time until the next update to the cash shop. To be fair, not all games are like that, but "game as a service" games sure are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladiotor.7561 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Come to Belgium. You literally cant buy back lion keys here, or any bundle that has them... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayne.8563 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/6/2021 at 3:36 AM, ArchonWing.9480 said: ?? Every time a lion key drops, I don't even get excited anymore because it's almost all crap. To go out and actually buy it. Why? It does drop normally every now and then. You can also key farm. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me for the 1000th time.... I mean if you can't understand that, you would probably have wasted your money on something else stupid anyways. Why don't you just give it to us first? I'm the opposite. I enjoy opening chests and generally I do okay with them. Of course, by okay I don't mean that I get the mount skin du jour or the rare contract. My expectations are a lot more reasonable. What I do get is wardrobe unlocks. I've spent a lot of time unlocking the cheapest more reasaonable skins, so I'm always happy to get wardrobe unlocks, armor unlocks, weapon unlocks because they fill in my inventory with stuff I might like to have but wouldn't necesessarily buy. Some of that stuff is cash shop stuff, or rare times, or expensive stuff to craft. I'd say 90% of the time I'm happy with what I get from black lion chests. Of course, my expectations are quite low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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