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1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Nope, but I have yet to play a video game that doesn't have a random reward element to them, and that's the complaint of the person I quoted. 

What the... you haven't played many games obviously.
There's always the question of how much of the rewards are RNG based and if the majority of important items can be acquired with certainty. Games like Dark Souls, Sekiro, Outward(apart from the last DLC, screw that DLC) have close to no meaningful items or mechanics tied to RNG. The importance of the rewards that are tied to RNG is what can make it frustrating.
Random rewards also used to be the absolute exception in competitive genres like strategy and fighting games.
And I can't remember anything that involved RNG back when I played Donkey Kong and Super Mario on the SNES.
Adventure Games like Monkey Island have no RNG whatsoever.

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10 hours ago, Fuchslein.8639 said:

 

there was once a long discussion about this. The main viewpoints of people was that Anet must also somehow finance itself and that people have their own will and do not have to buy the things ^^'' because GW2 is still humane in terms of these things.

But I find it sad when you support something like that, just because it is the only gmabling mechanic in the game.
To the rest I would say nothing. People who think, just don't do it will never understand what is behind such gambling things and the people who fall for it. Unfortunately, empathy is not widespread on the Internet.

 

It is not the only gambling in game, ever heard of the 2 ecto gamblers?

How about the randomized mount contracts for examples?

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1 hour ago, Obtena.7952 said:

Nope, but I have yet to play a video game that doesn't have a random reward element to them, and that's the complaint of the person I quoted. 

Only its a different beast if they hook you for rl monies. All games have random loot true, but most of those games you are not buying chances to maybe win something with money. Its just random drops ingame from monsters. personally loot boxes are a dirty tactic, but I just dont buy them, feel sorry for those that do.

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1 minute ago, Malitias.8453 said:

No, they don't. They absolutely don't.

Well there are set loot tables but that dont mean that a particular loot will drop. I never played a game that didnt have some random rotating loot table. What game are you speaking of?

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Just now, Zuldari.3940 said:

Well there are set loot tables but that dont mean that a particular loot will drop. I never played a game that didnt have some random rotating loot table. What game are you speaking of?

See my post at the top of this page.

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3 minutes ago, Malitias.8453 said:

See my post at the top of this page.

Thats fine not the type of games i play, but you missed the point i was making completely by focusing on whether loot is random or not. The whole point was if you read it lootboxes are scummy tactics and most games i have played you dont pay money for loot boxes, all loot drops ingame. Then again I dont normally play games that have those tactics /shrug

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Just now, Zuldari.3940 said:

Thats fine not the type of games i play, but you missed the point i was making completely by focusing on whether loot is random or not. The whole point was if you read it lootboxes are scummy tactics and most games i have played you dont pay money for loot boxes, all loot drops ingame. Then again I dont normally play games that have those tactics /shrug

And my point, or the one I was trying to make, is that there are plenty of games that do just fine without even including RNG-based loot in the first place. It might be a stretch, but I have the suspicion that the trend of making most rewards, even the important ones, RNG-based kind of paved the way for the rise of those scummy tactics. Again, might be a stretch, but it seems plausible to me.

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30 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said:

You can assume that if you want. I won't. Frankly, I think it's absurd to complain about 'surprise mechanics' ... but not have a problem with them if you didn't drop coin on them. 

 

 

Ah you've edited your original comment (which was "No, I can read ... That's NOT what the person I quoted said") comment and gone with some kind of vague implication that they're being disingenuous or that I've misread their statement somehow? 

 

Wouldn't it have been more graceful to simply say "ah yes, I misread that"? 

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20 hours ago, Malitias.8453 said:

I don't know if ANet does this, but a friend of mine who is very susceptible to gambling and wasted too much money on PoEs mystery boxes, contacted the support to disable his accounts possibility of buying them and they did that.
It's worth giving that a try, I think.

Most Game companies have this type of option available for liability reasons, but never mention it. The above person is correct. Reach out to Anet CS to explore this option.

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1 hour ago, Pifil.5193 said:

Ah you've edited your original comment (which was "No, I can read ... That's NOT what the person I quoted said") comment and gone with some kind of vague implication that they're being disingenuous or that I've misread their statement somehow? 

 

Wouldn't it have been more graceful to simply say "ah yes, I misread that"? 

I'm not into grace, I'm into being honest. It wasn't misread ... there was no indication SPECIFIC to lootboxes in the post I quoted. 

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2 hours ago, Obtena.7952 said:

You can assume that if you want. I won't. Frankly, I think it's absurd to complain about 'surprise mechanics' ... but not have a problem with them if you didn't drop coin on them. 

 

 

 

The term "surprise mechanics" refers to when an EA executive used that term to describe loot boxes.

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4 hours ago, Obtena.7952 said:

You can assume that if you want. I won't. Frankly, I think it's absurd to complain about 'surprise mechanics' ... but not have a problem with them if you didn't drop coin on them. 

 

 

FYI

 

"Surprise mechanics" was a term coined by a representative of EA before a legislative committee in England which was investigating the existence and nature of loot boxes.  The point behind the EA rep's use of the term was to create the impression that loot boxes aren't gambling.

 

So, @Buzzbugs.1236 chose a term that has a specific meaning in the context of loot boxes.  That term refers to loot boxes.  So, it seems likely that he meant loot boxes, not the use of random number generators in games in general, which is what you seem to be taking the term to mean.

 

He(?) also used the term "exploit," which adds further credence to the likelihood that he's talking about the sale of chances to roll on a random number generator, not random number generators in toto.

 

You are of course, free to think what you like, but I suspect the truth is that it is not random number generation that is at issue, it is that random number generation is a tool used to trick people into spending more than they would if they knew what the price for a virtual gewgaw was going to end up being.

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5 hours ago, Zuldari.3940 said:

Well there are set loot tables but that dont mean that a particular loot will drop. I never played a game that didnt have some random rotating loot table. What game are you speaking of?

Every single important drop in Baldur's gate was predefined (obtained from a specific mob/chest). There were random mob encounters, and those did drop semi-random loot, but that applied only to minor stuff.

And it was pretty much common occurence in games at that time.

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