Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 51 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: If there is no downstate then no respawn is needed to make it fair. So if you wipe a zerg inside your T3, they'll stay there until another zerg comes and res them. Since it would be dangerous to commit all your forces at once, zergs naturally break up into smaller units. The zerging problem solved on top of class balance! Excelsior! @Cal Cohen.2358/ @Cal Cohen.3527 make this happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltekka.2375 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Nah. L2p issue. Just git gud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: If there is no downstate then no respawn is needed to make it fair. So if you wipe a zerg inside your T3, they'll stay there until another zerg comes and res them. Since it would be dangerous to commit all your forces at once, zergs naturally break up into smaller units. The zerging problem solved on top of class balance! lmao reminds me of the days of everquest, if you raided a god plane and wiped, you needed to run back naked to the corpse and not in ghost form like WoW. If not possible because of respawns, you had to call in other guilds to help with corpse recovery, either way you had to be ress'd by clerics to port back to the corpse and recover exp lost on the death. Gamers have it so easy these days. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: I don't care what you do or say after, just remove trailblazer and dire , the game full of this condi trash from small roaming, to large fight...all I see and face are these tanky condi cheese builds that never dodge and just facetank damage: https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Weaver_-_Starfire_Roamer https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Core_Condi_Roamer https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Herald_-_Condition_Mallyx_Roamer https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Holosmith_-_Explosive_Roamer https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Scourge_-_Power_Curses The ones above are by far the worst offenders, but druid is surely worth a mention: https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Druid_-_Longbow_Roamer and all variants...just delete kitten Ancient Seed And if things were not bad enough before you went and buffed celestial, so the whole scene full with condi hybrids tanking the whole kitten planet.....this is truly not the same game I started with in 2012, I had big hopes after the success of GW1 ..but this now...this is just sad It is what it is! Also 4/6 builds you linked don't even use any trailblazer though? Edited June 15, 2021 by lodjur.1284 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Holosmith_-_Explosive_Roamer https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Scourge_-_Power_Curses Umm, so how is removing dire/trailblazer going to impact Power Curses that uses marauder gear lol? Also Explosive Roamer aint got a drop of condi damage on it. Seems like offenders are the specs and traits, not the gear? Edited June 15, 2021 by ArchonWing.9480 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Meh just scale everyone to same equal celestial stats regardless of whatever gear they're wearing and call it a day. Let the class traits and skills, player brain, do the talking in combat. Edited June 15, 2021 by XenesisII.1540 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 also force 1st person pov, no one wants to zerg in the chaos plane of polygons. problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God.2708 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Really I think the issue ties more into the inflexibility of sigils/runes and to a lesser degree food. The runes and sigils you want against power damage are not the ones you want against condi damage. Swapping them is expensive, or high barrier of entry. Even food it makes more sense to do -20% duration instead of -10% damage but who's going to throw 1g down the drain for the opponent that might just run away 5s later anyway? Condi only really comes off as strong against people who prepare for bursting down power damage classes. It stalls or wipes to people who come prepared, but it's seriously obnoxious to prepare for both circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobbah.3102 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just give everyone no armour and a big stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: also force 1st person pov, no one wants to zerg in the chaos plane of polygons. problem solved. Then I would even suggest going all the way with VR and 1:1 head tracking your characters movements, for immersion. Thieves will just have to brace themselves before pressing daggerstorm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galmac.4680 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Oh yes, just remove ALL stats and do all fights with a rock-paper-scissors-Spock-fight! YEAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizou.2358 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 21 hours ago, Widmo.3186 said: This is entirerly agreeable if you also: -Remove: Apostate's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Apothecary's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Veldrunner's armor Ebonmane's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Assassin's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Saphir's armor Soros's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Avatar https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Bringer's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/38/Condition_Duration.png Expertise — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Giftbringer's armor Giftbringer's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Captain's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Carrion https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Occam's armor Occam's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Cavalier's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Angchu armor Angchu weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Celestial https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/8/81/Healing_Power.png/18px-Healing_Power.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/38/Condition_Duration.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Wupwup armor Wupwup weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Cleric's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Tateos's armor Theodosus's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Commander's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Tizlak's armor Tizlak's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Crusader https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Ossa's armor Ossa's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Demolisher https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Destroyer https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Dire https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Morbach's armor Mathilde's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Diviner's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Steelstar's armor Steelstar's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Forsaken https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Giver's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Tixx's armor Tixx's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Grieving https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png The Twins' armor The Twins' weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png Harrier's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Zehtuka's armor Zehtuka's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png Knight's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Beigarth's armor Beigarth's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Magi's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Hronk's armor Hronk's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Marauder https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Svaard's armor Svaard's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Marshal's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Nadijeh's armor Nadijeh's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png Minstrel's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Maklain's armor Maklain's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Nomad's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Ventari's armor Ventari's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Paladin https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Plaguedoctor's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Nerashi's armor Nerashi's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png Rabid https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Ferratus's armor Grizzlemouth's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Rampager's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Forgemaster's armor Coalforge's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Sage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Sentinel's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Wei Qi's armor Tonn's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Seraph https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Thackeray's armor Thackeray's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Settler's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Leftpaw's armor Leftpaw's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Shaman's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Zintl armor Zintl weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Sinister https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Verata's armor Verata's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Soldier's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Ahamid's armor Chorben's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Swashbuckler https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png Trailblazer's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/38/Condition_Duration.png Expertise https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Pahua's armor Pahua's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Valkyrie https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/f/f1/Ferocity.png Ferocity https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png Gobrech's armor Stonecleaver's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Vigilant https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/38/Condition_Duration.png Expertise https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Laranthir's armor Laranthir's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Viper's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/38/Condition_Duration.png Expertise https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Yassith's armor Yassith's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Wanderer's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/12/Toughness.png Toughness https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/4/44/Boon_Duration.png Concentration https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Ruka's armor Ruka's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/19/HoT_Texture_Trans.png/32px-HoT_Texture_Trans.png Wizard https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/54/Condition_Damage.png Condition Damage https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/b/be/Vitality.png Vitality https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png — — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/0/0e/GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png/25px-GW2-PoF_Texture_Centered_Trans.png Zealot's https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/23/Power.png Power — https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/e/ee/Precision.png Precision https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/81/Healing_Power.png Healing Power https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/5/52/Tick_green.png https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/9/96/Cross_white.png Keeper's armor Keeper's weapons https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/d/df/GW2Logo_new.png/36px-GW2Logo_new.png Only zerk allowed. 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hobotnicax.7918 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 A lot of people who run these builds are super bad and can be easily countered and quickly given a free respawn ticket. If you find it non fun, just avoid fights with these nabs. I personally enjoy it to some extent, crushing the egos they built up by picking on people who run zero counter to them. It's not really just an issue with stats though, it's also that skills apply too many stacks and do power damage, and too many skills output condi damage overall. idk, Anet won't ever be able to fix it unless a non care be ar approach is taken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Then I would even suggest going all the way with VR and 1:1 head tracking your characters movements, for immersion. Thieves will just have to brace themselves before pressing daggerstorm. yo that sounds tight mayne. lets go 1:1 dodging and jumping too! Edited June 16, 2021 by Stand The Wall.6987 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, hobotnicax.7918 said: A lot of people who run these builds are super bad and can be easily countered and quickly given a free respawn ticket. If you find it non fun, just avoid fights with these nabs. I personally enjoy it to some extent, crushing the egos they built up by picking on people who run zero counter to them. It's not really just an issue with stats though, it's also that skills apply too many stacks and do power damage, and too many skills output condi damage overall. idk, Anet won't ever be able to fix it unless a non care be ar approach is taken. Guess what counter these nabs...and guess what these nabs constantly whine about....DE?...sic'em?.....LR/FA?...anything with any resemblance of ranged power dmg get whined about by the majority who play these kitten condi/boon tanks builds pressing 1-2 buttons doing massive aoe dmg while granting passive sustain thx to powercrept mechanics. The game full to the brink with these builds granting passive toughness, perma protection, traits that turn a full soldier build into a freaking glass cannon minus the glass part...all melee centered backpedalling mofo builds that get countered by the builds you're suggesting and guess what Anet likes to nerf the most?! And you know why in this game, high risk=high reward gets constantly shafted in favour of no risk=all reward?...Profit, one hit wonder gameplay attracts whales and rejects from harder games...the perfect customer base for a super casual MMO it would appear People think they have skills running these condi/boon tanks...I can easily tank 3 people if using any of those build...it's not hard to do so Edited June 16, 2021 by Arheundel.6451 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrForz.1953 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Guess what counter these nabs...and guess what these nabs constantly whine about....DE?...sic'em?.....LR/FA?...anything with any resemblance of ranged power dmg get whined about by the majority who play these kitten condi/boon tanks builds pressing 1-2 buttons doing massive aoe dmg while granting passive sustain thx to powercrept mechanics. The game full to the brink with these builds granting passive toughness, perma protection, traits that turn a full soldier build into a freaking glass cannon minus the glass part...all melee centered backpedalling mofo builds that get countered by the builds you're suggesting and guess what Anet likes to nerf the most?! And you know why in this game, high risk=high reward gets constantly shafted in favour of no risk=all reward?...Profit, one hit wonder gameplay attracts whales and rejects from harder games...the perfect customer base for a super casual MMO it would appear You really need to stop with that edge, your whining really isn't different at all from the strawmen you've built to try to take down. The more obnoxious classes using trailblazer have close to zero chasing abilities except perhaps Revenant. Some of them I can kite within a camp's capture point forever, the rest can pretty much be traded with using a Sigil of Cleansing and one cleansing ability/trait (normally baseline in any PvP build) due to either low overall condition damage or reapplication issues (which should have been the norm). I'm surprised they aren't food for the likes of you since you're clearly a superior breed. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroud.2307 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, MrForz.1953 said: You really need to stop with that edge, your whining really isn't different at all from the strawmen you've built to try to take down. The more obnoxious classes using trailblazer have close to zero chasing abilities except perhaps Revenant. Some of them I can kite within a camp's capture point forever, the rest can pretty much be traded with using a Sigil of Cleansing and one cleansing ability/trait (normally baseline in any PvP build) due to either low overall condition damage or reapplication issues (which should have been the norm). I'm surprised they aren't food for the likes of you since you're clearly a superior breed. This ^, thank you. From frequent experience in dueling, roaming and zerging on core zerk Rifle Engi, all I need is Sigil of Cleansing and Elixir Gun to fight the majority of Condition builds. That's x3 on swap, x1 with Super Elixir, x1 with Blast Finisher, and Light Aura for Condition Damage reduction if needed, and that's it. Yes, if the fight drags on too long I'm likely to die, but that's kind of the whole thing about Condition builds - they're attrition. And yet many of them can't even attrition, because Power damage is so high that fights can often end before you run out of cleanses. Any time these threads come up I try to participate because I dislike people perpetuating this fantasy that Conditions are a problem. Condi builds have gotten steadily worse as more options to negate them have been added, and ways things can apply Condis have been nerfed. That isn't to say there are no OP/highly forgiving Condi builds, just that they're far fewer than what people here often say. As for Trailblazer specifically, it's not even BIS for every Condition build. There are lots that don't get much value from the Expertise, and with how many cleanses are about it's often better to go for higher direct Condition Damage anyway. It is a very forgiving stat, and yes it is an OP one, but so is Marauder with Durability and yet people don't complain about that nearly as much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nthmetal.9652 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 11:30 AM, Arheundel.6451 said: I don't care what you do or say after, just remove trailblazer and dire while we're at it, also remove berserker and viper. Ah, ah, already got derailed. What I actually wanted to point out: Nice try, rolling two things into one wish. But no, these are clearly two wishes already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 No, there is room and role for all of these sets and more in WvW. No sets should have been removed from sPvP either, it would be even worse of an idea to remove them from WvW. If anything we need more options and not less. I am sorry if a build countered yours but that will happen, and quite regularly does to all of us. Too many people don't spec with abilities or gear that cover issues in their own build. That's part of the challenge, finding those builds that can fit multiple roles. But even when you find those they will be vulnerable to builds on the extreme edges. So no count that as a say against removal. If you know your build is weak against another, bring a friend that covers that vulnerability. I solo roam quite a bit and find builds that will counter mine all the time. When I havoc I try and bring builds that will cover issues my group might have. If I zerg I try and do the same and bring builds that might cover issues the large group might have. There isn't meant to be one build to rule them all. Those we should review and right now I don't see anyone in particular that really a stand out. We will already have a large number of shoutouts once the new elites arrive be them valid or not, we don't need to start that early. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 3:06 PM, XenesisII.1540 said: lmao reminds me of the days of everquest, if you raided a god plane and wiped, you needed to run back naked to the corpse and not in ghost form like WoW. If not possible because of respawns, you had to call in other guilds to help with corpse recovery, either way you had to be ress'd by clerics to port back to the corpse and recover exp lost on the death. Gamers have it so easy these days. Wait a sec that wow ghost run wasnt a cakewalk ya know. There were times i died in places i couldnt get back to my body, not to mention the long zone runs sheesh! But yeah EQ was like the 7th level of hell of gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 10 hours ago, TheGrimm.5624 said: No, there is room and role for all of these sets and more in WvW. No sets should have been removed from sPvP either, it would be even worse of an idea to remove them from WvW. If anything we need more options and not less. I am sorry if a build countered yours but that will happen, and quite regularly does to all of us. Too many people don't spec with abilities or gear that cover issues in their own build. That's part of the challenge, finding those builds that can fit multiple roles. But even when you find those they will be vulnerable to builds on the extreme edges. So no count that as a say against removal. If you know your build is weak against another, bring a friend that covers that vulnerability. I solo roam quite a bit and find builds that will counter mine all the time. When I havoc I try and bring builds that will cover issues my group might have. If I zerg I try and do the same and bring builds that might cover issues the large group might have. There isn't meant to be one build to rule them all. Those we should review and right now I don't see anyone in particular that really a stand out. We will already have a large number of shoutouts once the new elites arrive be them valid or not, we don't need to start that early. Disagree. More stat sets = bigger class balance problems. The game will never be properly balanced, because doesn't matter how much devs will tweak numbers or even rework skills if there are combination of sets that will still allow a cheese in it. Dire, Trailblazer, Minstrel are broken and make fighting against them pain in kitten, not because players are good, but because they're carried by builds at this point. More choices not always mean better, it may be a curse. If there would be a day that A-net allowed a player to choice a specific stat combination with set amount of value like: x Power + y Precision + z Concentration, then you would understand how kitten bad it is to have so many options for the game balance. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 10 hours ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said: Disagree. More stat sets = bigger class balance problems. The game will never be properly balanced, because doesn't matter how much devs will tweak numbers or even rework skills if there are combination of sets that will still allow a cheese in it. Dire, Trailblazer, Minstrel are broken and make fighting against them pain in kitten, not because players are good, but because they're carried by builds at this point. You mean like Any build looking to 1 shot? Any build with mobility skills? Any build with invulns? Many of the defensive traitlines? Because all of those carry far more than any stat combo. Overall the only problematic trailblazer/dire builds use a combination of the above. Coincidentally so do all the problematic Power builds. 10 hours ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said: More choices not always mean better, it may be a curse. True. 10 hours ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said: If there would be a day that A-net allowed a player to choice a specific stat combination with set amount of value like: x Power + y Precision + z Concentration, then you would understand how kitten bad it is to have so many options for the game balance. That would actually be amazing. Honestly it would probably help Power builds the most though. Condi mostly got their BiS stats already. The lack of certain statcombos such as demolisher and various other yet to be named ones to balance out Precision and toughness are some of the biggest problems Power builds have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) On 6/15/2021 at 5:09 PM, Shroud.2307 said: I'm just gonna say what I said the last time a topic like this came up. Ah yeah the famous advice "Too much damage ? LMAO L2P, just use heal skill, it's easy" And then you see the other guy "Too much sustain ? LMAO just use weapon skills, easy kill" It's a bit quick to resume a class, a build or a set etc to the overall mechanic, regardless the efficiency and how it could centralize the gameplay. Honestly I do care about trailblazer, I find it really annoyin to fight no matter my build but I don't want it deleted. If it amuses kitten trolls or kitten low effort guilds to kill greedy roamers/gankers, whatever ("omg, look at Bob, Trailblazer herald with minstrel Tempest and FB killing noobs at spawn, too much skill in this video" "With your mace, mallyx and 28k HP and full condi damage, are you playing Berserker ?Please link build, I don't understand" ) : yes it is annoying, yes you can just keep walking or call for help, but there is a reason we don't see vitality/toughness or healing power anymore in PvP. May be because some amulets and classes have centralized the game and obligate team building to only counter one or two specifics builds, not because L2P issue, ignorance about mechanics. Doesn't mean this is bad or good, just sometimes it overcentralize the meta, reduce diversity, and need kick in the kitten until next settling, and repeat. Fortunately this isn't the same gameplay in wvw, and it's okai if you have few kittens sometimes holding camps. They are not very numerous, nor good, but they are doing their job with the tools Anet gave them. Clearly they don't break the game, just some egos. Edited June 17, 2021 by Zhaid Zhem.6508 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpsssss.7530 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I will agree to this, only if thief as a class is deleted. My fun with condi mesmer is a fair trade for getting rid of the least fun class to play against and their insane amount of mobility, stealth and kiting, with very little counter play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 7 hours ago, jpsssss.7530 said: I will agree to this, only if thief as a class is deleted. My fun with condi mesmer is a fair trade for getting rid of the least fun class to play against and their insane amount of mobility, stealth and kiting, with very little counter play. They'll switch to another broken roamer like Soulbeast, ehhh... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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