Soulsardor.2739 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 I get the whole TOS...its not like GW2 is so active you can ban people for map hopping to send out a guild message and not kill the game. In fact sometimes some of the maps are so dead anymore that it at least gets folks talking. Way to ban our guild leader and WVW tag right before reset. If you don't have enough support staff to look at stuff before banning people maybe you should rewrite the algorithm. and before you say something about using the forms or other sights those never pay off with getting members like map hopping and messaging. 1
miraude.2107 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 Then don't spam guild recruit messages? Make an actual post advocating for a change to how guilds recruit instead of having to use chat to recruit and that maybe they should make a tab in the LFG that is all guilds? Like how it would be nice to have a guild search function under the guilds tab that you could use to find a guild to be in since they allow being in five different ones. I understand the frustration or recruiting however you do have to get a lot of reports to be banned banned and not just silenced for a certain amount of time from using chat. Wonder if your leader did something else that got them banned and just decided to scapegoat with this or they exaggerated their being silenced from chat. 14 1
AgentMoore.9453 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, miraude.2107 said: maybe they should make a tab in the LFG that is all guilds? This is actually already a thing, but good advice nevertheless. Spam is spam, and ArenaNet doesn't care what the contents of the message are or if they are well-intentioned or not. I don't mind guilds that advertise in map chat, but just keep it to a respectable level and you'll get plenty of visibility without hopping to every map in Tyria at the speed of sound. To get flat out banned for advertising your guild makes it sound like a lot of spam was happening and that's simply not necessary. 6 1
Ardenwolfe.8590 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) On a side note, I find it hard to believe spamming guild invites to random strangers across multiple maps incites confidence in your guild, but I'm sure that's another topic. Oh, and welcome to the forums. 😉 Edited July 24, 2021 by Ardenwolfe.8590 4
Touchme.1097 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 Spamming guild recruit messages is not really an efficient way to get more people on board. Just put yourself on the same shoes as the players who have had to read all the spam your guild leader has sent. Not cool. There are other way more efficient ways to increase a guild roster and one is this forum. 4 1
HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Soulsardor.2739 said: Way to ban our guild leader and WVW tag right before reset. If you don't have enough support staff to look at stuff before banning people maybe you should rewrite the algorithm. and before you say something about using the forms or other sights those never pay off with getting members like map hopping and messaging. No person who ever gets banned is guilty. All of them never did anything wrong and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. When a GM bans a player, they should always reach out for their victim and discuss the appropriate suspension-window - where the player would not use their account anyway (e. g. they go on vacation). If no appropriate time can be found, the ban should be postponed for a year or two. Sometimes there just is no good time at all. Support should definitely be more flexible in these sensitive cases. - People who come to the forums and complain about bans often skip important details. In many cases the explained situation was not the reason of the ban. The situation you explained can be true. As far as I remember the important WvW time window after reset only lasts a few hours. If the ban was active at reset-time, even 1 hour would have been harmful to your guild. Punishments should have an impact however. So people do not do the same thing again. Edited July 24, 2021 by HnRkLnXqZ.1870 4
LSD.4673 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) I'd rather some guild messages than the usual empty void of nothingness that is EU. A typical core/PoF map is: "does anyone know how to x" *silence* 45 minutes later: "where can i do y" *silence" 25 minutes later: "bandit boss on tag" Edited July 24, 2021 by LSD.4673
Dante.1763 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 2 hours ago, LSD.4673 said: I'd rather some guild messages than the usual empty void of nothingness that is EU. A typical core/PoF map is: "does anyone know how to x" *silence* 45 minutes later: "where can i do y" *silence" 25 minutes later: "bandit boss on tag" EU sounds awfuly silent, but it also depends on which map. More active ones are usually more active, while older maps are usually as you say. Regardless I put any recruiter who hits the same map twice in 5 minutes on my block list after reporting them for spam. 2
JCKinz.2305 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, LSD.4673 said: I'd rather some guild messages than the usual empty void of nothingness that is EU. A typical core/PoF map is: "does anyone know how to x" *silence* 45 minutes later: "where can i do y" *silence" 25 minutes later: "bandit boss on tag" NA is heading in that direction. If they keep banning active players we will get there sooner then later. I hope the new expansion works out. Edited July 24, 2021 by JCKinz.2305
Dante.1763 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, JCKinz.2305 said: NA is heading in that direction. If they keep banning active players we will get there sooner then later. I hope the new expansion works out. Theres a huge difference between active players and spamming map chat with guild recruitment messages. 5 1
JCKinz.2305 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dante.1763 said: Theres a huge difference between active players and spamming map chat with guild recruitment messages. Oh you mean like an active discord. Helping new players, running dungeons, Fractals, tagging for events in WVW and PVE introducing new players to PVP and walking them Through, Helping players who have difficulty with game mechanics beat a raid boss. Let me put it to you this way. Most folks don't live on these forums as a matter of fact they don't even know about them in many cases. For a lot of new folks the only invite they ever see for a guild is in map chats. This is a perfect example of why told my well meaning guild member to not bother with posting anything on here. It wont change anything and she will just get a bunch of arm chair advice. I was wrong about that there were a few helpful suggestions. Edited July 24, 2021 by JCKinz.2305
miraude.2107 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 12 hours ago, AgentMoore.9453 said: This is actually already a thing, but good advice nevertheless. Spam is spam, and ArenaNet doesn't care what the contents of the message are or if they are well-intentioned or not. I don't mind guilds that advertise in map chat, but just keep it to a respectable level and you'll get plenty of visibility without hopping to every map in Tyria at the speed of sound. To get flat out banned for advertising your guild makes it sound like a lot of spam was happening and that's simply not necessary. I know of that one. It's not workable in the long run. You pretty much have to have someone on there advertising which isn't feasible being that that then stops the person from being able to do anything that might require a group. What we need is an actual subsection under the guilds tab that is looking for guilds. The same kind of tab that WoW, ESO and a few others have. One where they can easily put up an ad and it stays as long as the guild exists that can be updated by the guild leader or designated officers. Then if the person is interested they can just hit a but that says 'join guild', it pops up a notif on the guild thing in the top left corner, an officer/gm can click and the person is now in the guild. I also have a strong beef with the LFG tab as well. It's mostly because it has TOO MANY tabs. They need to do away with some by either deleting them or consolidating them. All the Living Worlds should be under their own tag simply titled Living World Seasons and Path of Fire/Heart of Thorns should be put under a tag called Expansions. As someone who has had friends try to get into this game after leaving other MMOs, they tend to shy away from using the LFG because of all the tabs. The main question I've been hit with in these past days from people has been guild recruitment as they rightfully thought they'd be able to search for guilds under, well, the guild tab. Overall, the set up for guilds, finding guilds, and recruiting needs a real overhaul, especially with what they are doing in terms of the world restructuring and alliances. The system of using the chat and a buried tab in LFG are inefficient for what they are intended to do.
ugrakarma.9416 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 big/old PVE guilds recruit by chat almost, i guess theres something else in your case that need clarification.
Cyninja.2954 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, JCKinz.2305 said: Oh you mean like an active discord. Helping new players, running dungeons, Fractals, tagging for events in WVW and PVE introducing new players to PVP and walking them Through, Helping players who have difficulty with game mechanics beat a raid boss. Let me put it to you this way. Most folks don't live on these forums as a matter of fact they don't even know about them in many cases. For a lot of new folks the only invite they ever see for a guild is in map chats. This is a perfect example of why told my well meaning guild member to not bother with posting anything on here. It wont change anything and she will just get a bunch of arm chair advice. I was wrong about that there were a few helpful suggestions. Most folks do indeed not live on these forums. Most folks do know how to communicate in a polite and meaningful way. That is unrelated to the medium used. We, and by that I mean 3 of the guilds I am in, use map chat guild recruitment regularly. There has never been an issue in the past. Maybe we got lucky, maybe the guild message was not spammed enough to trigger players in-game, maybe there is another reason for the ban. Who knows. It's not like any one on these forums can do anything about it. What I do know is you lashing out at other players does not make your argument or position any stronger. Edited July 24, 2021 by Cyninja.2954 3 1
Dante.1763 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 4 hours ago, JCKinz.2305 said: Oh you mean like an active discord. Helping new players, running dungeons, Fractals, tagging for events in WVW and PVE introducing new players to PVP and walking them Through, Helping players who have difficulty with game mechanics beat a raid boss. Let me put it to you this way. Most folks don't live on these forums as a matter of fact they don't even know about them in many cases. For a lot of new folks the only invite they ever see for a guild is in map chats. This is a perfect example of why told my well meaning guild member to not bother with posting anything on here. It wont change anything and she will just get a bunch of arm chair advice. I was wrong about that there were a few helpful suggestions. Not at all what i meant. All my guilds have a discord, we dont spam map chat with requirement messages. Being an active player INGAME =/= spamming map chat with guild recruitment messages. It does however mean answering any questions that come up, pinging or saying "event here", champions up etc. Im very aware of the fact that most players dont come to the forums, i also disagree that most only ever see invites via map chat. None of the guilds im in advertised in map chat for guild openings. None of the guilds ive ever joined in the past had done so either. The largest guild im in recruits folks who show up to events we do, its the best way imo to get players to join a guild. Ill be helpful all day, but coming to the forums to cry about a ban is something we cant help with, that needs to go through support. I also can understand why the guild leader got the ban, if a bunch of players think you are spamming enough to report you, then you probably deserved it for posting way to much. 4
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 Knowing how hard it is to get banned in Gw2 i dont believe he got banned for this. And if he did, he must have done it to an extreme amount. 5 1
Astralporing.1957 Posted July 24, 2021 Posted July 24, 2021 17 hours ago, AgentMoore.9453 said: To get flat out banned for advertising your guild makes it sound like a lot of spam was happening and that's simply not necessary. A lot of players are actually using bots for that. They don't actually jump and copypaste message after a jump. They activate a bot to do the staff for them while they go watch Netflix or something. So, it's not only spamming, but automated play on top of it.
MarkoGold.7126 Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 Well you cant spam the same map multiple times in a short period 1 its annoying 2 its against the tos. 1
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 Just curious. Do said 'bots' advertise they are bots? Or, does the player post he/she is using a bot? How do people ascertain it is a bot? Or is it just a guess? I mean, lately, I see a lot of accusations that ArenaNet uses 'bots'...in all game modes. I find this rather unlikely without proof. 1
Astralporing.1957 Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said: Just curious. Do said 'bots' advertise they are bots? Or, does the player post he/she is using a bot? How do people ascertain it is a bot? Or is it just a guess? Let's just say i've personally known a few of people that did the advertising that way. And of the rest, some might be indeed doing it manually, but those generally put up messages in areas where they do other stuff. If you see someone jumping around race cities on frequent schedule, spamming the same message over and over again, the chances that they are botting and not doing it on their own are quite high. 1
Dante.1763 Posted July 25, 2021 Posted July 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said: Let's just say i've personally known a few of people that did the advertising that way. And of the rest, some might be indeed doing it manually, but those generally put up messages in areas where they do other stuff. If you see someone jumping around race cities on frequent schedule, spamming the same message over and over again, the chances that they are botting and not doing it on their own are quite high. Glad im not the only one. Ecspecially when it goes on for hour.
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